posted May 15, 2001 22:25

I would like to know just one question. How do you know only seven civs will be availably per game?

	posted May 15, 2001 22:29

7 only= game will be lonely.

	posted May 15, 2001 22:58

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	posted May 16, 2001 00:25

I find no foundation of that proclomation. It says nothing about that in the website, and Dan nor anyone else has posted a thread on that here at apolotyn, so I'm just wondering where he got that idea.

	posted May 16, 2001 02:29

quote: Originally posted by Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto on 05-16-2001 12:25 AM My question more in detail, is who started the idea that there will only be 7 (8) civs in civ3, and where did they get the idea. I find no foundation of that proclomation. It says nothing about that in the website, and Dan nor anyone else has posted a thread on that here at apolotyn, so I'm just wondering where he got that idea.

FIRAXIS has made no official announcement concerning the number of civs that may or may not be in the game.

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Mike Breitkreutz
FIRAXIS Games, Inc.

	posted May 16, 2001 02:48

quote: Originally posted by Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS on 05-16-2001 02:29 AM FIRAXIS has made no official announcement concerning the number of civs that may or may not be in the game.

Thanks for the response, Mike, we've been holding our collect breath for awhile now. Although you still haven't said one way or the other, at least it wasn't "we'll have 7 civs".

DBoM, all the info we've received so far regarding the # of civs in a game has come from reviewers, all of them saying 6 or 7 AI civs in the game.

	posted May 16, 2001 06:00

It makes me very happy, as probably the rest of us that the answer is: 'We are still working on this'.

There is still HOPE.

	posted May 16, 2001 08:29

quote: Originally posted by Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto on 05-16-2001 12:25 AM My question more in detail, is who started the idea that there will only be 7 (8) civs in civ3, and where did they get the idea. I find no foundation of that proclomation. It says nothing about that in the website, and Dan nor anyone else has posted a thread on that here at apolotyn, so I'm just wondering where he got that idea.

The no. 7 was mentioned by two magazines and the no. 8 by one magazine so far. That's where this (dis-)information came from. Note: This refers to the no. of civs per game.

BTW: As long as the thread is - no posts are overlooked.

	posted May 16, 2001 08:33

Roman, may I suggest, after you chill your enthusiasm, you'll edit your "pages of smiles" post?
I understand you after the first row, 50+ are more than enough also to a "dumb retard" as I am, according to a nice poster out there.

Thank you for your effort (if you'll reduce that "yellow whale" post, of course).

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A weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind. The mind was the first and final battleground, the stuff in between was just noise.
- Admiral Naismith

	posted May 16, 2001 08:48

quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith on 05-16-2001 08:33 AM Roman, may I suggest, after you chill your enthusiasm, you'll edit your "pages of smiles" post? I understand you after the first row, 50+ are more than enough also to a "dumb retard" as I am, according to a nice poster out there. Thank you for your effort (if you'll reduce that "yellow whale" post, of course).

Yes, maybe that is a good idea - I shall reduce the no. of smilies...

BTW: Remember I am also not American and hence I too am a "dumb retard" according to the 'pleasant' poster.

	posted May 16, 2001 08:49

quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 05-16-2001 08:46 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by Roman on 05-16-2001 08:35 AM some people even noticed a preformance decrease on the site because of it

which you decided to replace by posting hundreds of smilies...

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Oops, I was about to edit my post but you got there first. Oh, well... the same effect has been achieved anyway.

	posted May 16, 2001 10:01

quote: Originally posted by Roman on 05-16-2001 08:45 AM What if the Firaxis quote is refering to the no. of selectable civs rather than the no. of civs per game.

That would be a tragedy/huge loss. The number in one game is a much less significant affair.

Worse still would be if the reason for only having a few civ choices is that they could only find/program a few unique units/leaders. In other words, we could have one bad decision force a terrible reduction in game quality.

	posted May 16, 2001 10:44

Frankly I'm surprised that such a fundamental issue is still open to adjustment at this late date. I suspect that Firaxis DID intend to stick with the "standard 8", and has been influenced by the vociferous objection to that limit. Whether it can be changed at this stage of development is an open question, but it sounds like they're taking another look.

	posted May 16, 2001 11:08

Playing with all 16 at once would make me a very happy little boy.

/Guarded optimism mode ON

Joe

	posted May 16, 2001 11:09

quote: Originally posted by Kull on 05-16-2001 10:44 AM I suspect that Firaxis DID intend to stick with the "standard 8", and has been influenced by the vociferous objection to that limit. Whether it can be changed at this stage of development is an open question, but it sounds like they're taking another look.

I agree with Kull. Why else should have the previews stated that only seven civs were playable at a time then?

Of course, it's really great news that Firaxis is still taking this issue in mind...

	posted May 16, 2001 11:44

quote: Originally posted by Kull on 05-16-2001 10:44 AM I think it's pretty clear what Mike is referring to: 1) Firaxis HAS announced that there will be 16 selectable civs. 2) Firaxis has NOT said how many can appear simultaneously in one game.

I think and hope you are right - I merely got a scare for a moment.

quote: Frankly I'm surprised that such a fundamental issue is still open to adjustment at this late date. I suspect that Firaxis DID intend to stick with the "standard 8", and has been influenced by the vociferous objection to that limit. Whether it can be changed at this stage of development is an open question, but it sounds like they're taking another look.

This is indeed a strong possibility. If this is the case, it also shows that Firxis is listening to the feedback of fans very hard indeed - contemplating to change the no. at this stage of the game's development. This is a very positive indicator indeed. Go Firaxis!

	posted May 16, 2001 14:58

ANNOUNCEMENT: Firaxis has not said whether enemy troops can block access to a resource by standing on the road or resource itself. Print immediately!

	posted May 16, 2001 16:28

quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 05-16-2001 04:14 PM [QUOTE]Originally posted by Father Beast on 05-16-2001 02:58 PM if only you stopped to notice that up until now everybody assumed that 8 civs were done and final and now that is totally changed.... if only....

Indeed!!

	posted May 16, 2001 18:24

This is great news!!!

At least there is still hope!!!

	posted May 16, 2001 20:53

Once again, 7 or 8 civs not guarrantied
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	posted May 17, 2001 02:46

quote: if only you stopped to notice that up until now everybody assumed that 8 civs were done and final and now that is totally changed.... if only

Actually, "no comment" could be interpreted a million ways. There may still be only 8 civs at once. For that matter, there may only be ONE civ at once and you just play Sim Civ.

For a lot a reasons, I wouldn't rule out THAT possibility, either.

	posted May 17, 2001 06:14

I suppose it depends on how they have designed the engine; perhaps they have left it open to be able to implement more civs. But I would certainly like to see more than 8 sides in the game; 16 would be nice...(15 + barbarians)

	posted May 17, 2001 06:28

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison on 05-17-2001 06:14 AM I suppose it depends on how they have designed the engine; perhaps they have left it open to be able to implement more civs. But I would certainly like to see more than 8 sides in the game; 16 would be nice...(15 + barbarians)

That's exactly the number I am also hoping for.

	posted May 17, 2001 10:21

quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison on 05-17-2001 06:14 AM And then yin what would be the exact point of having military units if there was no one there to attack you? I suppose it depends on how they have designed the engine; perhaps they have left it open to be able to implement more civs. But I would certainly like to see more than 8 sides in the game; 16 would be nice...(15 + barbarians)

Yes, 16 (or actually seventeen, with Barbarians?) would be the most sensible maximum, since I remember hearing the number of different civs is going to be 16... it would be a good idea just to be able to have them all in the game at the same time, if you really want to play against that many civs. However, even if the limit is 8, I am still going to buy the game and enjoy it every bit as much, although I realise it will cause many complications for those who play or design scenarios.

	posted May 18, 2001 05:19

BUT, until Firaxis comes out and says something, we won't know for sure. kind of like the 2020 - 2400 endgame date.

	posted May 18, 2001 06:16

quote: Originally posted by yin26 on 05-17-2001 02:46 AM For that matter, there may only be ONE civ at once and you just play Sim Civ.

Oh, now that you mentioned it, I hope they'll have a SimCiv scenario ;-)

I have a few times had games with the pure purpose of building an empire.
This way Sid can also utilize his new visdim from Sim Golf

Next something even less serious.
What if Firaxis had desided to have a gave with only seven civ's, but got scared of your reply and desided to take a small rethink? (Everything is possible )