I just love it.

1)Firaxis doesn't know how many Civs they'll have in one game.
2)In prototype for previewers has 7 (or 8).
3)Previewers report 7 (or 8) Civs.
4)Some Apolytoners (you know who you are) go nuts.
5)Firaxis reports that it doesn't know how many Civs they'll have in one game.
6)Apolytoners claim success for getting Firaxis to change their minds.

If you actually READ Mike's post, you'll see he refers only to the "official announcement" of how many civs "may or may not be in the game". Interpreting THAT as "Firaxis doesn't know how many" is quite a stretch, even for you.

What intrigues those of us who are capable of independent thought, is this:

1) The "number of simultaneous civs" has been constant throughout the Civ series.
2) All the Civ3 reviewers have walked away from their previews believing that nothing has changed in that regard.
3) There was a mini-firestorm at Apolyton over the apparent continuation of this limit.
4) The only official comment from Firaxis (in the midst of the civ-limit uproar) is that "we haven't made a formal announcement on this yet".

quote: If you actually READ Mike's post, you'll see he refers only to the "official announcement" of how many civs "may or may not be in the game". Interpreting THAT as "Firaxis doesn't know how many" is quite a stretch, even for you.

Actually it means basically the exact same thing. There is no announcement for how many civs may or may not be in the game means that they DON'T KNOW! This is very easy, but I guess easy inferences isn't your cup of tea?

quote: 1) The "number of simultaneous civs" has been constant throughout the Civ series. 2) All the Civ3 reviewers have walked away from their previews believing that nothing has changed in that regard.

And also Civ3 is 50% done. Can you say jumping the gun? A bit premature? Although I guess you (and your significant other, by that I mean your hand) already know the meaning of premature.

quote: Taunting? Flaming? Ridicule? All present and accounted for. But rational thought? Sorry, just echoing silence in that arena.

Oh, says Kull... but started his first post in this thread with:

quote: Imran: Your continued belief in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy is quite inspiring. And thanks for sharing that last piece of mental masturbation with the rest of us.

Thank you for your hypocrisy, but maybe, when you educate yourself you can join the rest of humanity in rational thinking. Something you are sorely lacking.

Is it any coincidence that you neglected to deflect any of my points? No, because you find it easier to hit and run. Your game isn't well played though and your 'thought' or lack thereof is solely lacking.

quote: Originally posted by ancient on 05-19-2001 10:14 PM so its true magazines do just make everything up!

Maybe, maybe not. Firaxis was never quoted in the magazines as saying so, but conversations that are the base of the previews might have made the 7/8 number. All Mike's quote said is that Firaxis wouldn't confirm the previews or make an official announcement themselves.

1) Apology to Imraan. I don't care for the tone you've displayed in EVERY post on this topic, but rolling in the gutter just gets both people dirty.

2) Imraan: Read Mike Breitkreutz' post again. Do you see the words "we don't know how many civs there will be" in there anywhere? No you don't. Which means you're guilty of exactly the same behaviour you've ridiculed in others, i.e. drawing your own non-fact-based opinions from a VERY limited set of sources.

quote: Originally posted by ancient on 05-19-2001 10:14 PM As the game currently uses SMAC engine the playable civs maybe are 7 in the versions of the game that has been showed to press.

That's a realistic possibility. I've already agreed on that point, writing about graphic map looking too dull to be the result of (more or less quoting) "12 thousand of tiles painted by Firaxis artist".