Are we 110% sure there will be unique units?

Firaxis RECONSIDER. Everyone will play the Germans because of the advanced tanks (or something).

No unique units uber alles.
Don't ruin it now.

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 on 04-28-2001 11:17 PM Firaxis RECONSIDER. Everyone will play the Germans because of the advanced tanks (or something).

If playing the Germans makes them happy, then does it really matter?

I do understand what everyone's saying tho. Maybe civ-specific units could be an OPTION.

quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 on 04-29-2001 01:02 AM As I said I have nothing against playing the Germans (tanks) or Americans (planes). But not because Firaxis screwd up

Fine, then.

quote: Originally posted by Sabre2th on 04-29-2001 01:05 AM We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything." -Thomas A. Edison

All I know is that I don't know anything.

Plato

quote: Originally posted by Nemo on 04-29-2001 01:33 AM "...whereas I am aware that I know nothing" is Socrates, not Plato. Plato quoted Socrates during Socrates' defense/trial

You little smart ass , you should know that Socrates did not existed but was a fictional character for Plato's philosophical theories

Edit: «We do not need unique units»

quote: Originally posted by yin26 on 04-29-2001 06:57 AM You see, I was one of those guys in the minority who WANTS unique units. It's a GREAT IDEA! Now, I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere

I hope you will become the subject of the tyranny of the majority yin26

But is it confirmed that there will be unique civs? Anyone knows for sure?

quote: Originally posted by yin26 on 04-29-2001 06:57 AM Man, I really HOPE this is TRUE!!! You see, I was one of those guys in the minority who WANTS unique units. It's a GREAT IDEA! Now, I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere, but if it's true, I'm beginning to really like the way Civ3 is shaping up. Fewer civs but more unique civs. Love it love it love. All this assumes incredible game balancing etc. But I'm starting to really like these rumors... O.K. You can all hate me know, but wait until you see how much you'll like this stuff.

Well, Yin26 - I was one of those who voted against "civ-specific advantages" (by the way; only "units" - not SMAC-style civ-specific pros/cons in general?), and im still not that keen about it. However, there ARE more important issues at hand, and I guess this feature can be swallowed, particulary since....

- There are 16 unique civs to choose from the very start, comparing with only 7 default factions in SMAC. More added in upcoming scenario-packs.

- Besides a recommended default set of opponents for each civ, Im sure we also have the option to pick-and-choose which ones we want to include/exclude as opponents (not possible in SMAC).

- Just as in AOK; theres probably an "No unique Civs" checkbox option available in some multi-optional in-game preference-menus in Civ-3.

This is seriously the single stupidest thing firaxis could do for the game, although the "great leader" bullsh*t comes close. Isn't the whole idea of civilization to make your own history, not have it dependant on pre-sets and luck? I don't want some starcraft style retard fest, let's please have equality of opportunity in this game.

A very disgruntled Zylka

askthecivteam@firaxis.com

Can't you people see that unique civs if balanced will make the game better because the civs will have REAL personality and style. The game will have character.

Plus many of you want a higher difficulty level. Well wouldn't it be hard to pick a civ that is at a dissadvantage, and try and win with them? Its like playing a football game, and you pick the bears.

Hi!

For the years i've played civilization and civilization 2,
and persisted on playing it, I always knew that my victory
is actually mine. I earned it. I knew that my civilization
was as unique and specific as I made it be with techs, wonders,
governments and policies. We already have so much to create
out own civ.

Having unique civs, which have unique units, bonuses etc, is
wrong. You should not have it as this only downgrades your game.
The game is good because it is accurate and yet very costumizable.

It is very popular now in the strategy genere to create unique units.
Guess why? Because other games don't have the needed depth
or possibility to make factions truely special and make each player
relate to his faction. So standart factions are generated, fitted for
certain styles of play and used over and over by the same hundreds
of zealot like bored players after which the game is forgotton.

This is not the case with civ. This should not be the case with civ2.
Firaxis, frankly, could you possibly compare the success of Civ 2
to Alpha Centaury? I think not. And I tihnk you know why. Because
civ 2 is it, for every player out there. And every player knows he should
work hard and have his victory in many different ways over many different
timespans. In Alpha Centaury, the game is it only for 7 zealoted player
types. All the non-fanatic ones have let go.

I can't say what I know now about Civ 3 satisfies the very high
expectations I had. But I know I trust you to make the best game you can.
Having unique, premolded factions is a step back for civ which will
make the true civers step away and leave.

So who do you choose? A horde of silly gameplayers which will buy your
game, play it for a month and then dump it, or a horde of core civers
who understand you and your games, and are willing to give everything
for it?

quote: Originally posted by joseph1944 on 04-29-2001 03:48 PM I like it. The more units the better I like it. Just wait and see before condening the game. I counted the posts ahead of mine and the vote is 13 no's posting 21 times, 10 yes or no opinion posting 13 times.

The Apolyton vote said most were for the option ONLY IF IT CAN BE DISABLED.
Otherwise, most apolytoners that voted disliked the specific civs idea.

However, how would it be if every civ had a special unit (with special stats) for each era - Ancient, Renaissance, Industrial and Modern? I know this is not what Jeff Briggs said in the PC Gameplay review, but Firaxis might consider it to balance the game better. Be hard to think up a special modern unit for the Zulus, tho', ditto an ancient one for the Americans! Ancient/Modern specials would to some extent have to be distributed randomly... Just a thought, trying to be optimistic!