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Topic: Only 7 civilizations per game |  |
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Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 17:19
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Number of civs to play with
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*The below statements apply only if the above is actually true, which is by no means certain due to the contradictory nature of the information given. I think this information is trustworhty though, because it is the latest information we have." Yes!! You know what this means? This means that the hard-coded limit isn't 8 (due to binary nature of computing) and we will be able to tweak this in the text files to at least 15. My hopes are up again.  |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 17:21
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Wow, 5 pages ... this thread will be locked soon.Anyway, in the light of the new information, there is probably no use for the thread anymore. |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 17:43
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FINAL NOTE: I (though I was not alone  )appologise for causing all this fuss needlessly, when Firaxis has already implemented what we wanted. |
DrFell
Warlord
England
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 19:54
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Damn, I hope this is true.... |
DrFell
Warlord
England
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 19:55
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*DP*
[This message has been edited by DrFell (edited May 02, 2001).] |
Fintilgin
Chieftain
Apr 99
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posted May 01, 2001 19:55
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Not to be a naysayer, but just `cause there's 8 available dosn't mean it will be editable in the text files. Someone might have to hack the code or something... Still it would seem strange for them not to make the option available.Why lock long threads anyway? Isn't that just stopping the busiest and most popular discussions? ::scratches head:: Joe |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 20:04
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Originally posted by DrFell on 05-01-2001 07:55 PM
Damn, I hope this is true....
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So do I... |
Lawrence of Arabia
Warlord
San Francisco, CA, USA
Apr 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 20:06
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Me too------------------
Its okay to smile; you're in America now |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 20:08
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Originally posted by Fintilgin on 05-01-2001 07:55 PM
Why lock long threads anyway? Isn't that just stopping the busiest and most popular discussions? ::scratches head::
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All threads are locked once they reach 5 pages in length. I am not sure as to the precise reasons behind this, but it probably has something to do with how many pages the UBB code can support. Ask MarkG; he will be able to answer that better. |
Imran Siddiqui
ACS News Editor
Deity
b.02-15-99
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posted May 01, 2001 20:43
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Imran, unlike the AI, minor civs are a much more tangible element of the game, so it would be noticed by the previewers.
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Not if they weren't included in the alpha version of the game. Remember, the game is ONLY 50% complete. Maybe they are trying to get Minor Civs to work correctly. After all, how much of the game did the previewers play, if ANY? Maybe the shots are simply the shots that Firaxis GAVE to the previewers. Jeff Morris said Minor Civs would be in, and we haven't heard him take it back. |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 21:13
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That's indeed a possibility, Imran, albeit IMO unlikely. I didn't explicitely say that there definitely are not minor civs in Civ 3, but I maintain that it is unlikely.
I guess we will have to see what Firaxis has to say about this. |
Sabre2th
Warlord
Ballston Spa, NY, USA
Nov 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 22:56
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possible OPTION for 15 civs........... WOOHOO!------------------
"We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."
-Thomas A. Edison |
King Richard
Warlord
Oslo, Norway
Apr 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 22:59
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Where did the info on minor civs come from??? Is it confirmed? or are we just talking about the new barbarians (with cities)? |
Imran Siddiqui
ACS News Editor
Deity
b.02-15-99
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posted May 01, 2001 23:58
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It was the first confirmed piece of information recieved by us on this site by Jeff Morris. They haven't told us anything else about it. If the Barbarians are the Minor Civs, then Jeff lied to us (Barbarians aren't Minor Civs as we said in 'The List'). |
techumseh
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Edmonton, Canada
Apr 99
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posted May 02, 2001 02:01
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Then why haven't they replied to this (5 page) thread? Aren't they monitoring this topic? It seems that they could clear this up in a minute if what you say is correct, Imran. Only the threat of an organized boycott of Civ 3 will force their hand. Why don't you embrace the power of the (organized) market?
[This message has been edited by techumseh (edited May 02, 2001).] |
Imran Siddiqui
ACS News Editor
Deity
b.02-15-99
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posted May 02, 2001 02:38
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How many responses at ALL are posted by Firaxis. In a year, there have been, perhaps a grand total of 50 Firaxis posts. They just don't post here, and I don't think they spend every waking hour at these forums as well. They will announce major things, and that is a major thing.You can boycott if you want. Civ3 will still sell a million copies. Don't be so arrogent to think that you and you alone are the Civ fans out there. |
Deathwalker
Warlord
Great Britain
Mar 2000
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posted May 02, 2001 03:55
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What are they doing the biggest limitation to me making MODs was the 7 civs rule. They should at least have the option for people to use more than seven especially if they have a more powerful computer. We should not be limited because of others, You could simple have the systems power limit the number of civ. But with a limit of 14, as above this would in my opinion would reduce from the game.------------------
I have walked since the dawn of time and were ever I walk, death is sure to follow |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 02, 2001 12:49
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I hope this will be clarified in the next update. |
OzzyKP
Prince
Washington, DC USA
Oct 1999
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posted May 04, 2001 13:44
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If you don't like 7 civs (and no one does) then be sure to tell them that. If we flood Firaxis with e-mails they'll listen.Some email addresses i've found: askthecivteam@firaxis.com
jmorris@firaxis.com
dmagaha@firaxis.com Everyone write them an e-mail, make them thoughtful and explain why you want more than 7 players. Do it and do it now. Sooner we get it in, the less likely it'll be set in stone already. A massive response to anything will certainly change their minds, now folks its time to e-mail like mad!!!
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Ralf
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Sweden
Mar 2000
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posted May 04, 2001 16:26
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Originally posted by OzzyKP on 05-04-2001 01:44 PM
If you don't like 7 civs (and no one does) then be sure to tell them that. If we flood Firaxis with e-mails they'll listen.
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If YOUR e-mail inbox becomes flooded, are YOU more likely to listen? Or are you more likely to be just pissed off and annoyed? Ask yourself that question... Besides, some here talks talks about 8 civs + minor ones. We just aint 100% sure yet. Also, many Firaxians visits this site on a regular daily/weekly basis - so they already know what some (not all) thinks about this issue. Finally: Deciding how this game should be designed has nothing to do with some kind of Apolyton-based voting democracy. Its really their decision to make.
[This message has been edited by Ralf (edited May 04, 2001).] |
java4me
Chieftain
California
May 2001
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posted May 04, 2001 21:31
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I do totally agree with roman on everything about having more than 7 civs!!
But I do think that if we flood them with emails, two things would either happen:1. They listen to what the people have to say about the issue of having 7 civs or:
2. They don't listen to the people since they got flooded with emails!!! But that is only my opinion!!! I still commend roman on starting this topic in the forum!!!
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Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 07, 2001 16:00
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Well, I don't think "flooding" Firaxis e-mail is such a good idea. E-mailing them to ask a question, though, that might be worthwhile. In fact, I have already done just that.Anyway it might be enough if Firaxis sees this thread on the Apolyton boards. Furthermore, it seems from the latest preview that the 7 civilization limit will not be hard-coded after all. We will have to wait patiently until Firaxis clarifies this issue and some other contradictory information we have from the previews. |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 07, 2001 16:02
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Originally posted by java4me on 05-04-2001 09:31 PM
I do totally agree with roman on everything about having more than 7 civs!!
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Thank you for your support java4me.  |
java4me
Chieftain
California
May 2001
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posted May 07, 2001 21:00
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Where did you read that review from, Roman?
I have read all of the reviews that I know of and I don't recall any review stating that 7 civs will not be the max!
But I really hope that that review that you read was correct!!!
Because we would all like to have more than 7 civs!!! |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 07, 2001 21:04
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I think it was the review from the CGW. However, I haven't read it personally - someone posted an extract here on Apolyton and I only saw it there. I believe it was in Joseph Given's thread.Yes, I also hope it's true. We can only wait for clarification from Firaxis before we are certain, though. |
java4me
Chieftain
California
May 2001
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posted May 08, 2001 00:34
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I ready the review from CGW and I don't think that it said anything about having more civs, but I think that they did mention that in PC Gamer which came out later than CGW. PC Gamer would have been more correct, since they got the latest information on Civ3.Either way I bet you that Firaxis will either post something on their own site about the issue, or they would put it in another magazine preview!!! Maybe they saw all the complaints from civers on this topic and decided to allow more civs! But it is still unknown, and we all are still very anxious to find out!!! |
java4me
Chieftain
California
May 2001
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posted May 08, 2001 00:35
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Woops!!!!I meant I read, not I ready!!! |
Nemo
Warlord
Apr 99
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posted May 08, 2001 02:53
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some people consider 7civs+1barbarian=8civs. is this what the review about 8 civs is referring to? see, these are the things firaxis needs to clarify *officially* |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 08, 2001 07:01
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Originally posted by Nemo on 05-08-2001 02:53 AM
some people consider 7civs+1barbarian=8civs. is this what the review about 8 civs is referring to? see, these are the things firaxis needs to clarify *officially*
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Well, yes this is a possibility, but I hope an incorrect one. |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 08, 2001 07:03
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Originally posted by java4me on 05-08-2001 12:34 AM
I ready the review from CGW and I don't think that it said anything about having more civs, but I think that they did mention that in PC Gamer which came out later than CGW. PC Gamer would have been more correct, since they got the latest information on Civ3.
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You might well be right, I honestly cannot remember the name of the magazine, but you can find the extract somwhere on these forums. |
tniem
Prince
Grand Rapids
Apr 2000
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posted May 08, 2001 15:51
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Originally posted by java4me on 05-04-2001 09:31 PM
I do totally agree with roman on everything about having more than 7 civs!!
But I do think that if we flood them with emails, two things would either happen:I still commend roman on starting this topic in the forum!!!
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I don't know whats scarier, an Apolyton poster agreeing 100% with anyone or someone agreeing with Roman
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java4me
Chieftain
California
May 2001
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posted May 08, 2001 18:54
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LOL Sorry that just made me laugh, but I do agree with Roman on more than 7 civs!!! Lets just wait to see what Firaxis has to say about having more than 7 civs!!! |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 08, 2001 19:55
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Originally posted by tniem on 05-08-2001 03:51 PM
I don't know whats scarier, an Apolyton poster agreeing 100% with anyone or someone agreeing with Roman
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ROFLMAO My suggestions are always good. (At least as far as I am concerned ) |
java4me
Chieftain
California
May 2001
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posted May 10, 2001 18:32
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His suggestions are always good!!! |
Russell
Chieftain
Christchurch, New Zealand
Apr 99
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posted May 11, 2001 03:58
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My thought on why they are limiting the game to 7 civs is simply perhaps Firaxis's tendency to write games for as low a spec machine as possible so as to extend the circle of potential buyers to as wide as possible. In other words, maybe the game will only require 32MB or even 16MB of RAM. I'm just guessing here, but in that case, couldn't the game be written to allow for more civs if you've got higher specs. This could not only apply to the number of civs, but other things like maximum map size etc. That kind of thing has been done with other games like, for example, Championship Manager where the number of leagues you're allowed to play is dependent on the amount of RAM in your machine. |
Roman
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Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 11, 2001 07:09
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Originally posted by Russell on 05-11-2001 03:58 AM
My thought on why they are limiting the game to 7 civs is simply perhaps Firaxis's tendency to write games for as low a spec machine as possible so as to extend the circle of potential buyers to as wide as possible. In other words, maybe the game will only require 32MB or even 16MB of RAM. I'm just guessing here, but in that case, couldn't the game be written to allow for more civs if you've got higher specs. This could not only apply to the number of civs, but other things like maximum map size etc. That kind of thing has been done with other games like, for example, Championship Manager where the number of leagues you're allowed to play is dependent on the amount of RAM in your machine.
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Yes, this is a good idea, indeed, but I am not sure whether it would not be too difficult to program. |
Roman
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Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 11, 2001 07:13
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Actually, Russell, you gave me an idea. Perhaps rather than programing the game so that you can only choose more than 7 civs, larger maps, etc. if you have above a certain threshold of RAM, perhaps they could avoid the programming and merely give warnings about it instead. |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 11, 2001 13:04
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Originally posted by java4me on 05-10-2001 06:32 PM
His suggestions are always good!!!
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But, of course! |
tniem
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Grand Rapids
Apr 2000
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posted May 11, 2001 13:10
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Minor civs have not been ruled out of the game, yet have they?So my guess is that Firaxis if including them is planning to have the lowest number of major civs that a low spec computer can also handle minor civs. If they aren't in the game then well I guess the brand new computer I bought last summer to handle Civ III was not needed. Oh well, Black and White was worth it... |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 11, 2001 13:59
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Originally posted by tniem on 05-11-2001 01:10 PM
Minor civs have not been ruled out of the game, yet have they?
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No not directly. |
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