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Topic: Unofficial Poll 1: Do you want to keep the Demographics page in Civ2? |  |
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Lawrence of Arabia
Chieftain
Apr 2001
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posted April 02, 2001 23:35
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The question here is do you want to keep the Demographics system from Civ2. Also, if someone from the FIRAXIS teams reads this, could them explain the formulae for finding things such as birthrate, military service and land area. |
Trachmir
Chieftain
Miami, Fl USA
Dec 2000
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posted April 02, 2001 23:42
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Yes... I loved looking at it and getting a "feel" for the differences between the civs. |
Zanzin
Settler
Sydney, Australia
Mar 2001
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posted April 02, 2001 23:44
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Here here!! Demographics screen is a must for the atmosphere of the game and the engrossment you feel with your civ |
Nemo
Warlord
Apr 99
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posted April 03, 2001 01:43
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Absolutely!! the line graph just didnt cut it for me. i wanted to know EVERY detail of where i stood in comparision to my enemies/friends. if i wasnt #1 it gave an extra something to work for before i won the game. |
Henrik
Prince
of the Angaracks
Dec 2000
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posted April 03, 2001 01:45
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Yes, by all means! Include it  |
MidKnight Lament
King
Melbourne, Australia
May 99
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posted April 03, 2001 05:04
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I want graphs galore. It doesn't matter that I know I'm ahead by a mile - I still love seeing it on 20 different types of graph. ------------------
- MKL ... "And a sun that doesn't set but settles" - Augie March
Shameless Plug: http://www.poetic-license.org ............. All welcome. |
Pingu:
Settler
Reading, England
Jan 2001
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posted April 03, 2001 06:50
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Definately keep it! ""It doesn't matter that I know I'm ahead by a mile - I still love seeing it on 20 different types of graph."" Couldn't agree more. Mind you the best way to see this is the map with terrortory changing colours as in Civ I and SMAC. For me that was the best 'Diagnostic' of your civ status. You really feel the ebb and flow of the game. The demographics screen was a great thing too. Pingu: |
Adm.Naismith
Prince
Milano - Italy
Oct 1999
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posted April 03, 2001 08:46
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We would have some "culture" graphics, probably.As we know, thanks to recent "leak of info", we'll have different culture level according to "kind of city improvement we build" and "how early we build it". Just mentioning someone:
Militar (city walls, barrack)
Trade (marketplace, bank)
Religion (temple, cathedral)
Entertainment (colosseum, theatre)
Health (acqueduct, sewer system, hospital)
Food (granary)
Science (library, university) Of course we should have more dynamic events influencing game, too: how many wars we fighted, how much we spend in research or luxury... May be thematic maps will be added to usual "bars and lines", to better show cultural dominance over the world.
Others graphs options will be welcome, while a feature to export data to MS Excel sheets seems a bit too much ------------------
Admiral Naismith AKA mcostant |
airdrik
Warlord
Boise, ID, USA
Oct 2000
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posted April 03, 2001 11:36
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Definetally a graph for every stat that you can compair with the other civs   . |
Hasdrubal
Warlord
Carthage
May 2000
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posted April 03, 2001 11:58
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Keep it!!!If anything, I want more graphs and statistics. |
Ilkuul
Warlord
of Thame (UK)
Mar 2000
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posted April 04, 2001 16:15
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At the risk of being the odd one out here... NO, throw it away! I've managed to win at Deity level without ever looking at the demographics screen. Waste of space. Just enjoy the game! |
Wittlich
Prince
Fayetteville, NC, USA
Dec 2000
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posted April 04, 2001 17:58
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I for one like the Demographics list in Civ2 and have used it many times while I play the game - So I hope they keep it or have something similiar to it in Civ3.
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cyclotron7
Warlord
The Golden State
Jan 2001
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posted April 04, 2001 21:05
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Originally posted by Ilkuul on 04-04-2001 04:15 PMAt the risk of being the odd one out here... NO, throw it away! I've managed to win at Deity level without ever looking at the demographics screen. Waste of space. Just enjoy the game!
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Ack! He's not conforming with the majority! In my view, the screen is not so much something you "need" to win, but rather something that helps those of us who play Civ for fun to get a feel of our empires. In addition, such a screen would help if the idea of "evolving civilization" was used (i.e. lots of temples and cathedrals at the start would mold your culture into a very religious one, etc.). It's not really a waste of space, since it has no real graphics and uses very simple algorithms to compute. We're talking probably less that .1% of the game, so there is no reason to trash it. ------------------
- Cyclotron7, "that supplementary resource fanatic" |
Zanzin
Settler
Sydney, Australia
Mar 2001
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posted April 04, 2001 21:17
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Cyclotron makes a good point. The dempgraphics screen adds to the overall civ experience...it's not really a tool you employ to win the game!! |
MrFun
Prince
United States, Iowa
Nov 2000
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posted April 04, 2001 23:14
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Let me make my opinion simple and clear -- keep the demographics window! Hell -- improve on it! |
Bizzo
Settler
Mega City
Apr 2001
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posted April 04, 2001 23:52
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It's cool. But I could take it or leave it.------------------
I'm on your case. I'm in your face. I'll beat you & your father back in place. Step off sucker, understand!?!? Don't you know??? I"M THE MAN!!! |
Ilkuul
Warlord
of Thame (UK)
Mar 2000
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posted April 05, 2001 17:36
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Originally posted by cyclotron7 on 04-04-2001 09:05 PM
In my view, the screen is not so much something you "need" to win, but rather something that helps those of us who play Civ for fun to get a feel of our empires.
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You think I don't play Civ for fun? That's the only reason I play it! (And anyone who plays it for any other reason needs their head read!) It's because I don't want to spoil the fun that I don't waste time poring over dry-as-dust statistics! (Er... just stirring a little, you know? ) |
cyclotron7
Warlord
The Golden State
Jan 2001
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posted April 05, 2001 23:39
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It's because I don't want to spoil the fun that I don't waste time poring over dry-as-dust statistics!
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Well then, as long as we are talking about spoiling fun... Don't spoil it for the rest of us! Since it is not necessary to even open the window once, just don't do it if you don't like it! We like it, so leave it in for us! If Firaxis doesn't put it in, it'll be all your fault Ikuul  ------------------
- Cyclotron7, "that supplementary resource fanatic" |
connorkimbro
Emperor
DLIFLC - Presidio of Monterey, CA
b.02-15-99
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posted April 06, 2001 01:02
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Definately. |
jglidewell
Settler
manassas va usa
Feb 2001
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posted April 06, 2001 10:43
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Yes keep it, but include all civs rankings not just your own. |
Henrik
Prince
of the Angaracks
Dec 2000
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posted April 06, 2001 13:40
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Originally posted by jglidewell on 04-06-2001 10:43 AM
Yes keep it, but include all civs rankings not just your own.
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Not all civs only civs you have an embassy whit (or whatever other way of spying there might be). |
Ilkuul
Warlord
of Thame (UK)
Mar 2000
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posted April 06, 2001 17:19
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Originally posted by cyclotron7 on 04-05-2001 11:39 PM
If Firaxis doesn't put it in, it'll be all your fault Ikuul
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Well, I'll be flattered if they take me that seriously (against all your opposition)! |
My Wife Hates CIV
Emperor
b.02-15-99
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posted April 07, 2001 03:32
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Well keep it, but...Base the results only on other civs that you currently have an embassy with. Another reason to establish one.
[This message has been edited by My Wife Hates CIV (edited April 07, 2001).] |
Henrik
Prince
of the Angaracks
Dec 2000
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posted April 07, 2001 10:24
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quote:
Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 04-07-2001 03:32 AM
Well keep it, but...Base the results only on other civs that you currently have an embassy with. Another reason to establish one.
[This message has been edited by My Wife Hates CIV (edited April 07, 2001).]
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It is allways nice when people agree whit me |
Father Beast
Prince
American Fork, UT USA
Feb 2000
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posted April 09, 2001 02:04
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Keep It!I enjoy looking at the demographics screen, and for throne room lovers, it's a good way to gauge the next upgrade.
but then again, I listen to my high council, too... I know there's a bunch of hardcores out there who don't look at the throne room, listen to the highcouncil or check their advisors. The never watch the wonder movies or spend time looking at their spaceship.
But I do. I think it's fun.
Don't like the heralds, though. |
Admiral PJ
Settler
Southeast England , UK
Dec 2000
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posted April 10, 2001 16:40
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I think this is one of the most original features in Civilisation
but I think a message window should pop up when your ranking changes
in one of the demographic statistics, to show when you've become most
productive for example.
Also why not have more stats in the demog. screen, likeBiggest metropolises -for having lots of large cities
Best infrastructure- for having good city improvements-banks,supermarkets,library/schools etc and road networks
Most popular Tourist destination-tourist industries are a big reveune earner
Best Movie Produced(well maybe not, but it would be fun) I also think some kind of historical RECORDER is vital, to show the history
of your game at the end (game over).. as a text file maybe like civ1 had- I seem to remember. Dragon/Admiral PJ
Peter J T
(my first post to this forum)
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Admiral PJ
Settler
Southeast England , UK
Dec 2000
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posted April 10, 2001 16:41
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I think this is one of the most original features in Civilisation
but I think a message window should pop up when your ranking changes
in one of the demographic statistics, to show when you've become most
productive for example.
Also why not have more stats in the demog. screen, likeBiggest metropolises -for having lots of large cities
Best infrastructure- for having good city improvements-banks,supermarkets,library/schools etc and road networks
Most popular Tourist destination-tourist industries are a big reveune earner
Best Movie Produced(well maybe not, but it would be fun) I also think some kind of historical RECORDER is vital, to show the history
of your game at the end (game over).. as a text file maybe like civ1 had- I seem to remember. Dragon/Admiral PJ
Peter J T
(my first post to this forum)
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