It is good to see you engaging your customers .. Keep it up.

I believe all the german tanks developed during the second world war was called panzer (short for Panzerkampfwagen).

Panzerkampfwagen I (light tank)
Panzerkampfwagen II (light tank)
Panzerkampfwagen III (medium tank)
Panzerkampfwagen IV (medium tank)
Panzerkampfwagen V Panther/Panther II (prototype) (medium heavy tank)
Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger/Tiger II (heavy tank)
Panzerkampfwagen VII Löwe (Super heavy tank, never prod.)
Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus (Super heavy tank)

Got a little carried away there

I really hope there will be several different types of tanks in Civ3, since WW2 scenarioes is my favorite.

They look wonderful. Especially the phalanx! Even if they look more like the artwork one will get to see in the civilopedia, rather than the in-game units themselves, this does raise ones hopes for the the quality of the graphics in Civ III. Well done!

The red crosses on the tank annoy me! If they're supposed to represent force marking, use a chevron like they did in Dessert Shield/Storm.

Good to see some activity on the Firaxis front, however.

* wipes up puddle of drool at feet *

We've waited so long for something to be released by Firaxis that anything is greatly appreciated. Truly, they do look great. Can't wait for the site to go online.

And I'm especially looking forward to Civ4. You guys at Firaxis are working on that already, aren't you?

However, as long as Firaxis has it's priorities straight, and we see some real improvements in the actual game, improved graphics will still be a welcome change.

They are nice graphics, but I just can't put my excited hat on yet

I'm not giving up hope yet, but I do fear for the inclusion of a units workshop. Or at least some amazing alternative. I hated being limited to x amount of units. I always loved the ability to modify your army to adapt to the situation. Why couldn't you build an AAA submarine transport if someone was using planes to keep the sea clear? I doubt you'd see a premade unit like that.

quote: Originally posted by Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto on 12-21-2000 04:19 PM what the hell are you talking about?

Far be it my job to speak for Lago, but he was refering to the International Red Cross Civilisation it seemed to belong to.

Oh brother does the brother have a lot to learn!

quote: Originally posted by Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto on 12-20-2000 06:26 PM 'Panzer' tanks could belong to any country, but the worrd 'panzer' is not a military unit in Germany, its word that means, "Tank" in the German language (so essentialy it is a german), so I dont know why they called it the 'panzer tank'. cause thats just like saying tank twice in a row, once in English, once in German. please, Firaxis, if its not too late, please change the name to something more realistic, something like, 'MBT', meaning: Main Battle Tank. or just something way simpler, like, Heavy Tank, or something. oh well, if you cant, thats alright, I wont complain about the very first thing we've gotten for civ3 from you. [This message has been edited by Diablo, Bro. of Mephisto (edited December 20, 2000).]

I agree, and it's also unfortunate that they used a country-specific term for a general unit (sort of like the realism problem with resources in Civ2 with having, say, buffalo in Europe and silk in Africa).

Yes, we indeed have some pretty pictures there. Put as so many pepole have already pointed out, including the peeps at Firaxis, they are only conceptual. The in-game eyecandy will without a doubt look very different. The only place in the game where I think this type of graphics could be used is in the description windows of the individual units. However, since we now know what the art people in the Civ3 team are cpable of, I'm placing high hopes on the play graphics as well - the terrain even more so than units. One just can't play on a map that induces migranes. The shock of the repulsive red-and-green terrain of the SMAC demo was one of the things that kept me from buying the game. (Now, I'm sure some wisearse will want to start an argument over this, but please spare me and the rest of the people reading this. And yes, I know they fixed the SMAC graphics since the demo.)

Also, in-game unit graphics of this quality would be very impractical when it comes to customization. While I'm sure there are some very skilled Photoshop and 3Dmax artists among us that could pull of even this kind of graphics for their mods and scenarios. However, the number, if not quality of the scenarios and modpacks that would become available after the game's release would be hindered by the fact that the scenario builders and modders would have to either spend very large amounts of time on graphics for their custom units, or use the premade ones. And we all know how ridiculous, say, a rifle man would look like in a fantasy scenario (no matter what the shape of his hat is ). Furthermore, the sole use of elaborately rendered unit graphics would prevent a casual player with limited art skills and resources from throwing in a few units of his own. I would hardly say that Firaxis will include a fully loaded 3D modelling and rendering environment in what ever customization tools they will provide us with.

I've been there- recently the French earned that much-deserved beating.

Panzer means both Armor and Tank.

I also dont like the word Panzer Tank. But well I already said I would like to see some Tigers, Panthers, Leopards, Abrams,...

After a year of anticipation, finally.... info.... pics....

quote: Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth on 12-21-2000 06:00 AM I think the reason for the tank being called Panzer tank is because, as Grumbold has pointed out, it looks almost identical to a Panzer III. I believe all the german tanks developed during the second world war was called panzer (short for Panzerkampfwagen). Panzerkampfwagen I (light tank) Panzerkampfwagen II (light tank) Panzerkampfwagen III (medium tank) Panzerkampfwagen IV (medium tank) Panzerkampfwagen V Panther/Panther II (prototype) (medium heavy tank) Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger/Tiger II (heavy tank) Panzerkampfwagen VII Löwe (Super heavy tank, never prod.) Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus (Super heavy tank) Got a little carried away there I really hope there will be several different types of tanks in Civ3, since WW2 scenarioes is my favorite.

You forgot the P1000 and the P1500, the P1000 was a tank with 1.000.000 Kilogramms, the P1500 was a Tank how his gun was a as great like a railrood artillery

All tanks look the same.

quote: Originally posted by GT on 12-25-2000 11:58 AM You forgot the P1000 and the P1500, the P1000 was a tank with 1.000.000 Kilogramms, the P1500 was a Tank how his gun was a as great like a railrood artillery This 2 tanks are nearly not to destroy..but they was very slowly

Umm, sorry to bit*h off on you like this, but is your english really that bad, or are you just trying to mess with our heads?