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Ribannah
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posted September 13, 2000 10:44
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Originally posted by Simpson II on 09-12-2000 07:33 PM
I might take up the perfectionist quill over the next couple of days. I've been browsing the archives, and it's obvious no-one uses an early republic.. I saw someone say that it was impossible to WLTCD in a size 5 city without HG, and no-one contradicted him.
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I have gone to Republic ASAP in several OCC games recently, and it seems to work rather well. Especially an early Library speeds up research quite a bit. The typical order is: Warriors, Library, Republic, disband Warriors (hopefully you have found some none-units by then), Colossus, meanwhile growing to size 3, Temple (by then you'll have Mysticism), WLtCD to size 7 while building a Marketplace, normal growth to size 8 soon to follow. Hanging Gardens can be a great bonus (if you start out with Pottery, but no Bronze Working, building the HG first is almost as good), but not absolutely necessary. The statement "no WLtCD after size 5" must refer to a situation without Mysticism. ------------------
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Simpson II
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posted September 13, 2000 14:43
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Originally posted by Ribannah on 09-13-2000 10:44 AM
The statement "no WLtCD after size 5" must refer to a situation without Mysticism.
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The guy who wanted to celebrate stated he had a temple, colusseum and cathedral in the city, so I don't think that was the problem.  The other person replied that you couldn't celebrate on the odd numbers of population in republic - true in certain cases, but false in the general case.
Thanks for the OCC-plan, I'm still trying to get my early celebrations back to optimality - the rust is starting to give, though. SCG,
Yes, this site has the effect of getting a lot of people out of republican habits. I was the other way - I virtually ICSed until I found Apolyton! I always use monarchy for a short time first, though I imagine republic as no. 1 could be done. It slows my expansion a lot, though, and I still believe strongly in expanding quickly up to a point. First out, then.. up.  12 size 30s beats 100 size 2s any day (that the 100 cities aren't all supporting cavalry.  ) |
Ribannah
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posted September 13, 2000 15:49
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Originally posted by Simpson II on 09-13-2000 02:43 PM
The other person replied that you couldn't celebrate on the odd numbers of population in republic - true in certain cases, but false in the general case.
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This happens on a regular basis in Fundamentalism (of course, We Love the Ayatollah doesn't produce growth, but it's still a boost). In the end, you will even need Cure for Cancer to keep the love going at odd numbers. (Finally!! A use for CfC!!  ) ------------------
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Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted September 14, 2000 04:49
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<font size=1>Originally posted by Simpson II on 09-13-2000 02:43 PM</font>
12 size 30s beats 100 size 2s any day (that the 100 cities aren't all supporting cavalry. )
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Ahhh, Simpson II, sadly they are doing just that with a view to a lovely empire of 100 size 2 cities and12 size 25 ones!!  :evil: ------------------
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inca911
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posted September 19, 2000 07:45
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Any activity going on? Anyone need help with anything? This is looking kind of stale to me.... |
Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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b.02-15-99
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posted September 19, 2000 08:57
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Hi Inca,I'm trying to put together a GL article on "Abreviations, Acronyms and Glossary", but term has now started so my free time is limited. I also have made some notes on a definitive terrain article - I find the game-poster quite inadequate in this respect. So far no recent response from the Powers That Be - appart from some supportive sounds from Ming - I guess we shall have to wait ... If you have some time, you might start distilling your "Distilled Hints and Tips" thread ... I found it quite useful to take the 'printer friendly' version of a thread and decant that into my favourite Word Processor - this gets a cleaner start than the raw html thread. ==============
Bright(ish) idea It has occurred to me that the Powers That Be might be concerned that the GLoA might reduce the traffic on these boards. Should this be the case it would be eminently reasonable to restrict access to the GL to registered members only -- just a thought, but it might have some merit.
=============== In short - the Great Library must be built - we just have to keep on pushing ........  ------------------
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Aaron Burr
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b.02-15-99
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posted September 19, 2000 19:22
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Originally posted by Ribannah on 09-13-2000 03:49 PM
In the end, you will even need Cure for Cancer to keep the love going at odd numbers. (Finally!! A use for CfC!! )
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The main use of the Cure for Cancer wonder is that the extra happy can allow you to reduce your luxuries allocation by 10%, which can then be allocated to gold or science. If you have numerous cities and a well-developed economy, it can pay for itself very quickly. |
Simpson II
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 13:49
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Aaron,What government do you usually run? In a wall-developed economy I usually have only 10% luxuries anyway, by the time I could research GE. Even without Bach's, which certainly helps. Do all of our cities have 3 good trade routes? |
SilverDragon
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 23, 2000 15:05
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Originally posted by inca911 on 09-12-2000 08:20 AM
I nominate Ming, Xin Yu, Paul and MarkG. Any objections or other nominations?
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I nominate Smash, Rah, and DaveV.
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Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 23, 2000 15:26
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Can we skip the Primary Elections - and just get going?
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Simpson II
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 25, 2000 18:25
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Well, finally, after much thinking about getting around to writing something, the guide I promised you is finished! I can sense you are dizzy with the excitement. Anyway, you can express your undying admiration - or perhaps it's untimely end - in the thread Small Gods, at ../../Forum3/HTML/001426.html |
Father Beast
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 27, 2000 12:15
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I'm sorry I haven't participated earlier. I though all you guys were doing a great job and didn't have much to contribute.
I think that Ming's idea of setting a separate forum in the civ2 section - say "CIV2 - Great Library" - would be a good and accesible place to find all this stuff. Ming or somebody would put the finished drafts there, in locked, sticky threads, available for all of us to read at will, and the WON'T GET LOST!
Which I think is the purpose of th GLOA.Technically, this would only be a portion of the GLOA. portions could also be founded in the CTP and AC forums, eg. "CTP - Great Library", if their members could be found to make such guides. As well as future Civ3 and ctp2 sections. So, how soon before the library walls go up and first volumes go in? |
SilverDragon
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 27, 2000 18:57
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Well, GL is a civ thing. Is there a GL in CtP? I haven't played it. |
Paul
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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b.02-15-99
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posted September 28, 2000 00:34
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The GL is in CTP, but not as a wonder. It is the CTP version of the Civilopedia. |
SilverDragon
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posted October 01, 2000 12:34
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Oh. I think I might have known that from somewhere.  |
Father Beast
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted October 04, 2000 05:57
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OK, guys, we seem to have the following things available for entry into the Great Library."DaveV's ICS Strategy"
"Simpson II's perfectionist strategy"
"Xin Yu's size 5 strategy"
"SilverDragon's list of ways the AI cheats"
"SilverDragon's Guide to conservative expansionism"
"Statue Of Oedo - Oedo's years to change government"
"Ming's big list of player cheats"
"StrategicKing's Caravan attack strategy"
"Matthew's beginner's guide to deity"
"Drago Sinio's easy win at deity"
"link to Paul's OCC guide"
"link to The Barbarian Paper"
"Distilled civ tips and notes thread"
"Trade discussion and numbers"
"Caesar's numbers for corruption and waste"
"Bird's note on wonder shield saving"
"Adam Smith's repeated commodity trade strategy"
"story of Ming's first occ win"
"Caesar The Great's Beaker numbers"
some of these have been nominated in this thread, and a few I have found while looking for the last couple of months.
Rest assured, I will continue to dig and see what else there is to be found. Whenever Ming has a post praising it, It seems worth mentioning.
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Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 04, 2000 15:35
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Nice work FB. There is some interesting reading in those threads. |
Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 05, 2000 07:49
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?Xin's? Two Continent Trading Strategy - sorry no time to dig out link....------------------
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Adam Smith
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 05, 2000 10:40
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Two Continents Trading Strategy |
Father Beast
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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b.02-15-99
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posted October 07, 2000 05:56
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thx, Adam Smith. I'm adding it to the big list. |
Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 11, 2000 11:17
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Some "list of recent challenges" I'm thinking in particular of DaveV's 'AI Headstart Challenge' there is wisdom in those logs that should not be lost.Come on Dan, Mark - give us the go ahead! edited for the url
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Father Beast
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted October 15, 2000 01:22
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here is an updated list. I haven't been back very far and there is a LOT of interesting stuff back there. more to come, I'm sure."DaveV's ICS Strategy"
"Simpson II's perfectionist strategy"
"Xin Yu's size 5 strategy"
"SilverDragon's list of ways the AI cheats"
"SilverDragon's Guide to conservative expansionism"
"Statue Of Oedo - Oedo's years to change government"
"Ming's big list of player cheats"
"StrategicKing's Caravan attack strategy"
"Matthew's beginner's guide to deity"
"Drago Sinio's easy win at deity"
"Distilled civ tips and notes thread"
"Trade discussion and numbers"
"Caesar's numbers for corruption and waste"
"Bird's note on wonder shield saving"
"Adam Smith's repeated commodity trade strategy"
"story of Ming's first occ win"
"Caesar The Great's Beaker numbers"
"High score discussion"
"oedo's idea for cooperative multiplayer early AC landing"
"two continent trading strategy"
"Wonder building strategies"
"KhanMan's nomads Challenge"
"factors for rioting citizens"
"list of various chalenges"
"Adam Smith's space oddysey challenge"
"discussion on exploring units"
"Matthew's OCC Conquest challenge"
"Tom DeMille's notes on how AI's affect science production"
"Capitol moving discussion"
"uncovering hidden specials"
"Ely McGreen's notes on chasing barbarian leaders"
good stuff not in the forums
"link to Paul's OCC guide"
"link to The Barbarian Paper"
"link to Scrolls of ancient wisdom"
Rest assured, I will still dig for more.
Everybody remember to post links to good stuff you find on this thread.
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Father Beast
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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b.02-15-99
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posted October 15, 2000 01:38
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SG, I have found some challenges listed in the depths, but I haven't kept up on recent cahllenges, can you or somebody compile them? |
Scouse Gits
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Macedonia, Greece
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posted October 16, 2000 05:51
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William Keenan's "Advance Slot Properties" |
Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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b.02-15-99
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posted October 25, 2000 18:07
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I gave just found the Apolyton Great Library unfortunately it is in the CtP II section!! Is this why we are getting no movement on this issue?? 'Fess up Mark, Dan?? ------------------
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Sean Leitzinger
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted October 25, 2000 21:27
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Gameleague is also making a Great Library. Go to gameleague.megaultra.com to submit your own strategy or to submit a link to a forum post you think should be on there. Only well thought out, thorough strategies will be accepted. |
Father Beast
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted October 26, 2000 21:26
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SG -
I thought that this had lost steam because the massive list of links I post periodically is basically subbing for a great library. basically, whenever someone finds a good link and posts to this thread, the GL is improved.Heaven help me when these threads get archived and the links no longer work. |
Shadowstrike
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 28, 2000 18:08
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Y'know, it wuld be better if the authors summerize the entire thread into one long text, then have somebody set up a contents page and put one "scroll of wisdom" into each page which is linked to the contents page...------------------
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weird god
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
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posted October 30, 2000 21:23
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whats the problem with building the GL? there´s room enough for dinosaur-trash (whatever this is??).....------------------
mankind made alcohol, god made weed.....whom do you trust? weird god, chief of EUROPA
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kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted November 07, 2000 09:48
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I can't remember who posted this, , and I'm not sure if it's worthy for inclusion but I use it constantly.That would be the suggestion of making sure your diplomats/spys are on the furthest square away from an AI capitol before bribing a city. The difference in bribe amounts from one side of a city to the other can run into the 100's of gold. Anybody else remember seeing this tip?  ------------------
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tonic
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted November 08, 2000 08:15
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Yes and it is also in the Scrolls of Wisdom site despite some reservations about the latter's total accuracy. There definitely is a difference even with one square but the actual saving would depend on the distance as well as the AI civ's coffers. |
jcarkey
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 10, 2000 17:54
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I am currently making all of those links that FB found in to individual (Well, I also have one large one) documents. I POSSIBLY could finish it over the weekend.------------------
What if the Hokey-Pokey is really what its all about? Contact me at cpoland@mail.win.org |
Scouse Gits
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posted November 10, 2000 19:47
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Very well done jcarkey - a mamoth task that will benefit us all... ------------------
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jcarkey
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posted November 11, 2000 20:59
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Here is my about half finished version. Click here to download it!It's fine now
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jcarkey
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posted November 15, 2000 18:06
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Ok, I have put the articles that I have changed into their own documents. They're Right Here
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Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted November 16, 2000 09:29
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Nice job jcarkey - although on my browser the colour scheme is a bit off ...------------------
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Legman
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 16, 2000 10:53
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Thanks for putting this together, jcarkey. I've downloaded the compiled document and I'm in the process of reading through it now. It looks good so far and makes for an interesting read for sure. I always had a weakness for longish papers on this game - gives you something useful to do at work while leaving Apolyton alone for a while. |
jcarkey
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted November 16, 2000 18:08
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Thank you! I am trying to do as much as I can. I am constantly being flooded by school work so I do as much as I can whenever I can.SG: I'm sorry about that. I was just provided some disk space and am trying to save as much as I can, so I'm not going to do that good of graphics. BTW I use the newest version of Netscape and it looks fine to me. ------------------
What if the Hokey-Pokey is really what its all about? Contact me at cpoland@mail.win.org |
Xin Yu
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 17, 2000 14:26
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Excellent job! This is a good arrangement since further notes can be attached to the bottom of each article.My size 5 strategy link doesn't work, please fix it. Thanks. Also the corruption and waste article did not mention that using roads to link the city to the capital can reduce corruption to an extent. |
jcarkey
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted November 17, 2000 17:49
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Sorry Xin Yu, I thank you for pointing that out. I thought all of the links worked though. I think all I'll have to do is rename the word file name.I did not write the articles, I just arranged them. If you could write a little bit about roads reducing corruption that would be very helpful. ------------------
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