quote: Originally posted by Paul on 03-14-2001 09:21 AM Website updated. And Julius, you couldn't celebrate because you had a caravel at sea.

Well, you're of course right. How come I didn't think about it ? Maybe I thought I already had a transport ! I hope my mistake wasn't too costly !

quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 03-14-2001 08:48 AM I can’t celebrate even with 100% luxuries although I’ve changed and improved some land. Can someone tell me why ?

The game can! I always check the happiness button when this happens. Countless Triremes have been instantly disbanded ... or even worthless alliances dissolved to get them home ...

2.42:
Tom DeMille tom@hotlamp.com 4000 BC - 2750 BC
Scouse Git[1] 2750 BC - 1500 BC
Hueij j.stavenuiter@chello.nl 1500 BC - 625 BC
Marko_Polo marko.raunio@luukku.com 625 BC - 1 AD
skrobism theidiots.com 1 AD - 500 AD email changed!!!!!!
Smash Smash007@altavista.com 500 AD - 1000 AD

I am passing the save to Smash now.

1-20ad Trade route with Veii 104g
2-40ad Republic -> Map Making
3-60ad Skrobism Proclaimed Consul of the Carthaginian Republic!
4-80ad Trade route with Antium 84g
5-100ad
6-120ad Trade route with Antium 84g; map making -> math
7-140ad rushed col to put people back to work
8-160ad
9-180ad
10-200ad
11-220ad
12-240ad
13-260ad Republic, and Monarchy for peace with Egypt and Seafaring, I offered 100g for strategic alliance, Egypt wants war with Rome, I refused. The treacherous Egyptians kept our gold and refused the alliance.
14-280ad
15-300ad math->banking We withdraw from Giza to save peace with Egypt.
16-320ad
17-340ad
18-360ad Egypt expelled out diplomat.
19-380ad
20-400ad We set sail with a trireme and a diplomat. Exchanged techs and maps with Rome.
21-420ad Carthage is the 2nd most advanced civ, 3-Rome, 4-Egypt.
22-440ad
23-460ad
24-480ad
25-500ad

King Skrobism took the scepter from an aging King Marko Polo. This peaceful exchange of power laid the ground work for the changes to come under King Skrobism. King Skrobism established trade with the Roman city of Veii, giving the economy a boost of 104 gold. Strengthened in confidence, the King declared that for now on Carthage would be under new form of rule. He called it the Republic. The Senate, at first put in place by the King of course, elected Skrobism as Consul of Carthage. The year that Marko Polo handed over the throne was declared the Year of Enlightenment and called year 1. For nearly 500 years the Consul would also be know as the Skrobism. The Skrobism Era saw more trade established with Roman Cities. The development of Map Making, and Mathematics. In the Year of Enlightenment 140, a Colosseum was completed in record time. The people were pleased with the family oriented events such as sporting events, public executions, and pro-Skrobism rallies. SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!!

In the Year of Enlightenment 260, a strange people were found coming to land in a craft that we only saw in the work shops of our scientists. These new people called themselves Egyptians. Skrobism exchanged knowledge of our forms of government for a technology called seafaring and Peace with these people. The Carthaginians looked to buy an Alliance with Egypt, but when we would not declare war on our eternal friends in Rome, the Egyptians refused. Over the next 100 years peace would be maintained, but not without incident. The Egyptians founded Giza almost on top of our long time fortified position and threatened to break the peace. We withdrew our troops. Years later, an exploring diplomat was expelled from territory claimed to be ruled by the Egyptians. In the Year of Enlightenment 500, we are still at peace with Egypt. But in halls of the consul palace and the senate, it is no secret that the Egyptians are distrusted.

The Colosseum was the place of much celebration in the Year of Enlightenment 400. Brave pioneers were given a hero's farewell as they were readied for a journey into the unknown. A trireme was loaded and set sail with a diplomat to parts unknown. Carthage is the most advanced civilization in the known world. There are reports of another nation more advanced than us. But how can that be? This civilization has not even made their name known to us. These reports were dismissed and spun to the liking of the Consul of Carthage. "Today we embark on the bold path of discovery. Carthage is the greatest City, no, civilization in the world. Some say that there are others greater than Carthage. But I say, 'Name them!'. Today I do. I name the civilization that is greater than Carthage." (Dramatic pause - the sound of a questioning audience and 'Popcorn! Peanuts! Ice cold drinks here!".) "The only nation greater than the Carthage of today, is the Carthage of Tomorrow!"
SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!! - SKRO-BIS-M!!!

The Skrobism Era continued for another 100 years. The discovers were never heard from again. Some say the age of discovery is behind us. Others claim that they can still see the explorers hugging the shores of new lands in the mists of time.

The save is being passed to Smash and Paul.

1850 - Status - Size 27 and researching Conscription.
The next big landmark is Computers.
Talk to Chinese and exchange knowledge for:
Chivalry, Leadership, Tactics, Conscription

1851 - Build Hides Freight and aim research at Machine Tools
1852 - Hides Freight & Pollution
1853 - Hides Freight & Pollution
1854 - Machine Tools > Miniaturization - Hides freight
1855 - Hides Freight
1856 - Hides Freight & Pollution
1857 - Hides Freight & Pollution
1858 - Hides Freight & Pollution ; Transport sees Japanese dragoon land to our South East
1859 - Miniaturization > Computers - Hides Freight & Pollution; Hides to Lindholm (d) 408g. Vikings want 250 of our Gold! (wish there was a two finger smiley) - so we continue the war status.
I cannot see much point in bulding an Offshore Platform at present. We already have 54 production, enough for a Freight a turn. Do we need extra pollution and overheads right now?
1860 - Hides Freight
1861 - Hides Freight & Pollution; Japanese Dragoon appears and demands 750g Tribute. It dies attacking our Legion!
1862 - Hides freight
1863 - Computers > Mobile Warfare; Indian Engineer to our South-West demands 250g but then backs down when refused.
1864 - Research Lab Hides to Delhi 600g
1866 - Mobile Warfare > Robotics - Hides Freight and Pollution - Hides to Delhi 612g x 3
1867 - Robotics > Nuclear Fission ; Hides Freight; Hides to Bombay 663g x 3.
Indians have built the City of Bengal to our South West.
1868 - Nuclear Fission > Nuclear Power ; Transport #2 built. Pollution.
1869 - Hides Freight
1870 - Hides Freight - Pollution
1871 - Hides Freight - Pollution - Hides to Lindholm (d) 402g
1872 - Nuclear Power > Flight (Yuk - No Laser!) Hides Freight
1873 - Hides Freight - Pollution (Romans build Hoover Dam)
1874 - City Walls
1875 - Hides Freight - Pollution

Game sent to Ribannah with a copy to Paul.

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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 03-17-2001 12:51 PM 1872 - Nuclear Power > Flight (Yuk - No Laser!)

Well, we don't need The Laser yet, we have plenty of time to do research AFTER building Apollo! I normally pick Flight as the next thing after Computers. And what are all those Hides caravans doing asleep while we still have a working Colossus????

We are now size 12.Built Shakes,a bank,university and harbor.We need Sanitation and best get after Gravity after that I think.

Egypt just picked up Navigation Mr Successor.

500ad-Disband 1 warrior.
Set taxes to induce “we love” days
trade Egypt for Banking,which we just happen to be researching.Share maps and sign an alliance(2 tech gift).We receive 125 gold as a gift.
Share maps with Romans
520-caravan-”we love” begins
540-hut-non legion
A disturbing moment in the game.The Chinese are about to finish Cope’s.This is not good.We don’t even have Astronomy.This will be challenging
560-aquaduct-disband warrior
580-Beijing builds Cope’s.
620-Astronomy-too late
end “we love” size 12
disband warrior
sell colliseum
share maps with Egypt
700-sell temple
taxes-20-80-0
720-Shake’s
740-Egypt gifts Polytheism
780-build bank
820-University
bribe Egyptian explorer-127-NON
880-build university
900-barb leader 150
940-harbor
hut-The Wheel-We were researching it-luck turning?
980-cloth caravan
1000-Engineering-select Sanitation

Is this what they mean by a "RIBbing"!! - You moan better than I do!

My apologies if I got some research in the wrong order. I have learnt for next time.

Now I'll have my moan!
I know you are very competitive, probably we all are to some degree on this site. Anybody who writes a quote like this is playing to win:-

"Fortunately the rival team seems to have disappeared into thin air so the shame is still over the horizon." Ribannah, 11 March

For an OCC champion to give on-line tutorials during a competitive game is a little stupid. The only people to benefit are the other side. Can you see any of them making my mistake? Email us or tell us at the end of the game. Does the Pentagon intentionally broadcast its secrets to the Kremlin during a Space Race ... ?

You are a great player, but have something to learn before you can become a George Smiley.

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SG(2)

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 03-17-2001 07:55 PM For an OCC champion to give on-line tutorials during a competitive game is a little stupid. The only people to benefit are the other side. Can you see any of them making my mistake?

Yes, I can .
After all, they missed Cope's just like we did and are having a hard time, they deserve some foreign aid .

quote: Email us or tell us at the end of the game. Does the Pentagon intentionally broadcast its secrets to the Kremlin during a Space Race ... ?

Actually, yes, but only what they wanted them to know ....
I'll have lots more to tell after the game. And I don't WANT to be a Smiley

P.S. I'm halfway my turns now, the spaceship is under construction!
P.P.S.S.: I'm replaying this one solo, starting from my own 2750 BC save, in the year 1 AD I have: Hanging Gardens, Colossus, and I'm about to complete .... The Oracle!! Something new for me to learn every time as well.

I am looking forward to reading your new ideas about OCC play.

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1875 10 techs to the Indians, traded for Communism to make Radio available next turn
---- Exchanged maps with the Indians and the Indians became our ally
---- 300 gold to the Vikings for a Cease Fire, gave them 27 techs, exchanged maps
---- 450 gold to the Japanese for a Cease Fire, gave them 27 techs too, exchanged maps
---- 1000 gold and 13 techs to the Romans, exchanged maps
---- 150 gold and 12 techs to the Chinese, exchanged maps
---- 900 gold and 10 techs to the Egyptians, exchanged maps
---- Discoveries now come some 20% faster
---- Not without risk, but we needed to speed things up or we could have bigger problems when the AI's start swapping tech
1876 Hides produced, Flight discovered -> Radio
---- 4 Hides to Bombay (4x372) and sold Research Lab
1877 SETI PROGRAM built, Radio discovered -> Advanced Flight
1878 Hides produced
1879 Oil produced, Hides to Bombay (368), Romans: CURE FOR CANCER
1880 Hides produced, Advanced Flight discovered -> Rocketry
---- 3 Hides to Karachi (3x306), 2 Hides to Bombay (2x372)
---- Traded Radio for Espionage (Indians) to make Space Flight available
1881 Manufacturing Plant built, Rocketry discovered -> Space Flight
---- 5 Hides to Bombay (5x372)
1882 Offshore Platform built, Space Flight discovered -> The Laser
---- We now make more than 80 shields
1883 APOLLO PROGRAM built
1886 The Laser discovered -> Plastics
1887 Roman Engineers settle nearby Palmyra
---- Gave Advanced Flight to the Indians to maintain alliance, get Labor Union
1890 Hut: 100 , Indians discover The Laser
1891 Plastics discovered -> Superconductor
1892 Indians have Rocketry
1893 150 gold to Chinese, Hides to Beijing (662)
1894 Superconductor discovered -> Fusion Power
---- Oil and Hides to Beijing (2x540)
1895 Egyptians: J.S. BACH'S CATHEDRAL
1897 Component #6 built, Fusion Power discovered -> Guerilla Warfare
1898 Bribed Indian Spy for 342 gold, gave 1000 gold to Romans
---- Indians end alliance as we won't join their war with the Romans
1899 Embassy with Romans, we steal Theology (Palmyra), disbanded both transports
---- Indians start Spaceship
1900 Module #3 built, bribed Roman Diplomat (292) and Indian->None Marines (669)

That's it, we should launch in 1907 and land in 1922 probably just a couple of years ahead of, hmmm, the Romans or the Japanses I guess. Keep bribing all the troops that show up and don't gift any vital techs!

Edit: zipped save sent to kcbob and Paul

quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 03-18-2001 10:39 AM Look at some other sucession games (my invasion earth for example) and you’ll have a good laugh at how we can mix plans and people of different level of experiences.

I know
In Lightning Strikes I had rush-built lots of granaries only to see them sold by my successor

I gave you a hint about the happiness button because I've been there, too, believe me. Breaking an alliance just to get your troops home can sometimes win the game for you

IMHO everybody is allowed to make lots of mistakes, and I won't think less of anyone who does. Both teams are making a terrific effort, btw. But I also want to learn all the time. That's part of the fun for me: to do a better job next game. (Did I say I am a perfectionist? )
So don't hesitate if you want to question my decisions! For all I know, the Japanese will be the first on AC now ....

quote: Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 03-19-2001 08:47 AM Once I won a chessgame but couldn't sleep for 2 days because I missed some beautiful rook sacrifice. But, I had won the game against that strong opponent !

I know the feeling. Fortunately, I also played that beautiful rook sacrifice a couple of times

quote: Was it wise to give those 27 techs to the Japanese in 1875 ? It speeded up a bit our research but it looks like it helped them quite a lot.

That is a key question, indeed. On the pro side, this speeded up our own research because we lost the being-ahead penalty. We may have gained some 4 turns with regard to our landing date. On the con side, the Japanese have a large empire and should be able to build a spaceship in just a couple of years (taking the AI cheat of cheap rush-building into account). I felt that we were in peril anyway. Often the AI tribes find a way to get all the necessary tech til spaceflight within a few years after human launch; in this case the Japanese would probably have got them all from the Indians. The danger of the Japanese or the Romans beating us to AC was already there and the 4 turn accelleration may prove vital - not to mention that we want to beat the 2.42 team!

There is a little more to this, but I won't go into that at this time

quote: Does the Pentagon intentionally broadcast its secrets to the Kremlin during a Space Race ... ?

No, but it seems that Los Alamos will sell a hard drive or two to the Chinese for Campaign funds.

quote: Originally posted by Ribannah on 03-19-2001 09:53 AM The danger of the Japanese or the Romans beating us to AC was already there and the 4 turn accelleration may prove vital - not to mention that we want to beat the 2.42 team!

Ribannah, you might then be interested in the Apolyton World Chess Championship … See this thread : ../../Forum22/HTML/000727-4.html?date=03:19
Yes, I did see the sacrifices sometimes …
For the given techs, it sure helped against the 2.42 team.

quote: Originally posted by kcbob on 03-22-2001 08:13 AM I'm having trouble finding time for this game amongst the "honey do" lists at home. Please forgive me but could Julius take over? I'll send it to him momentarily. Again, sorry.

Game received. I'm going to play it saturday morning, if everything goes well ...

ooups ! Double post won't get us faster to AC

the hiss of empty airwaves

SG1, this is ground control, please acknowledge..over

hiss

We may have problem.Begin abort checklist

Am I up?? where is the save??

sounds of total confusion in the background ....

seriously - please resend the game to me - I seem to have misplaced / forgotten / lost / never received it .....

sorry guys - and I have been checking the thread too ....

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Scouse Git[1]

1500 AD We have an odd mix of techs, but here we go ...
1510 AD WLPD starts @ 21
1520 AD
1530 AD 300g gift from Egyptians
1540 AD Economics -> Steam Engine
1550 AD WLPD stops @ 25 - one food deficit; Establish embassy with Rome
1560 AD
1570 AD Egyptian Diplo expelled; Embassy with Egypt established
1580 AD Steam Engine -> Railroad; Stock Exchange built
1590 AD
1600 AD
1610 AD Magnetism & 100g from Egyptians
1620 AD RailRoad
1630 AD Darwin's; Gunpowder, Chemistry -> Explosives; 100g from Egyptians
1640 AD Cloth to Antium 53g - increases trade by 1 arrow
1650 AD 100g from Indians
1660 AD Explosives -> Metalurgy; 75g from Egyptians; 100g from Indians
1670 AD
1680 AD
1690 AD
1700 AD Metalurgy -> Industrialisation; Buffalo to Pheasant - food deficit eliminated with just enough in the box to allow the eventual deployment of engineers once we get Refridgeration.

Good luck ...

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Scouse Git[1]