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Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted February 18, 2001 15:54
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16 turns (badly) played and game sent to Dave.
Log follows.------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
Julius Brenzaida
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Aug 2000
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posted February 18, 2001 15:57
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Well, guys, I wonder if you shouldn’t put me out of the roster. The progression was slow real slow and I was quite clueless. A little bit of expansion and a bit of improvement’s building is all I did. Sad but true. At least, we are not yet under attack.
480 AD Caravans to the south-east and triremes with diplo and knight to the north east.
500 AD 50 gold in a hut near the Mongol city of Capua.
520 AD Gunpowder discovered. Mysticism next.
540 AD New continent discovered in the north.
560 AD Crusader killed by Mongols.
580 AD Advanced tribe (Cambridge) in the new continent.
600 AD We kill Mongol explorers near Reading.
640 AD we learn that the Russians have undertaken the United Nation. My history book speaks about 1945. There must be something wrong.
680 AD. We have more than 2 millions of citizens.
700 AD. Mysticism discovered. Banking next.
760 AD. Advanced Tribe (Gloucester) in another new continent.
780 AD. Manchester founded in the little island west of our main continent. This island could be our naval base.
800 AD. Riflemen discovered in hut near Manchester. We’re by far the most advanced !!!
On this sad discovery, I give up and pass the game to DaveV |
DaveV
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USA - EDT (GMT-5)
b.02-15-99
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posted February 19, 2001 08:25
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File received. |
kcbob
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Kansas City, MO USA
Dec 1999
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posted February 19, 2001 08:47
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You are absolutely right, Julius. This game is wierd with no contact with AI opponents.------------------
Frodo lives! |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted February 19, 2001 13:16
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The peace before the storm ...  Julius don't give up ... there is nothing wrong with the log you posted. So, the AI has Communism and Conscription. We need to steal Communism! ------------ SG(2) |
DaveV
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USA - EDT (GMT-5)
b.02-15-99
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posted February 20, 2001 08:46
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I plan to play my turn tonight. What is the consensus on how many turns I should play? |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted February 20, 2001 12:01
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I think things progress faster if we let each player have more turns - rather than less.How about up to 15 - but with the option of playing less if time is short? ----------- SG(2) |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted February 20, 2001 16:58
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Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 02-19-2001 01:16 PM
Julius don't give up ... there is nothing wrong with the log you posted.
SG(2)
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There was nothing wrong, but nothing right either. ------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
DaveV
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b.02-15-99
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posted February 21, 2001 07:47
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I finished my 15 turns, and pass the scepter to SG2. "Our nation is poised for greatness"!800 Finchley is only size 10, and not celebrating! Has no one heard of food caravans? Wholesale changes from city improvements to caravans and settlers.
820 WLTQD in Finchley
840 Banking. Hut (47,147) 50 gold;
860 Gold Richmond->Finchley, 14. Hut (18, 124) Advanced tribe  .
880 Size 11. Food Warwick->Finchley. Gold Birmingham->Finchley, 19. Gems Finchley->Manchester, 144.
900 Size 12. Russia builds UN. Gold Liverpool->Finchley, 22. Beads Norwich->Finchley, 33.
920 Philosophy. 3 barb knights + leader land near Richmond. Dye Dover->Finchley, 21. Gems Brighton->Finchley, 28. Leicester established.
940 Bribe two barb knights.
960 Gold Manchester->Finchley, 52. Hides Newcastle->Gloucester, 18. Silver Canterbury->Gloucester, 12.
980 Medecine. Hut (22,132), 25 gold. Silver Richmond->Finchley, 24. Gems Canterbury->Finchley, 18.
1000 Carlisle founded.
1020 Barb leader captured .
1080 Sanitation . Gold Norwich->Finchley, 33. Gems Birmingham->Finchley, 22. |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted February 25, 2001 10:22
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1100 - King (NO settler jokes please!) Git 2 saw his priorities as follows:a) Continue to build up Finchley (and keep celebrating) - using the legacy of the late King Dave's Food Caravans.
b) To improve infrastructure by the creation of channel ports with our mainland and the next continent north.
c) To improve the exploration of the world, (Navigation) and hopefully steal some AI tech!
d) Continue the small commodity caravans being sent to the capital.
e) To keep moving the stray camel in the vague direction of Reading! Ipswich founded from Advanced Tribe; Portsmouth founded. Food caravan from Richmond to Finchley. Another Sewer System keeps building in Finchley - ready to change to a University when we have the tech. 50g from hut. Research rate now jacked up to 4 turns. 1120 - Finchley now 13. 1140 - Finchley now 14. Population over 3 million. Stranraer (Ferry Port) built. 1160 - Finchley now 15. University discovered. Next research is Seafaring for explorers and eventually Navigation. Larne (Ferry Port to complement Stranraer) founded. Berwick also founded. 1180 - Finchley now 16: University built. 1200 Bootle founded 1240 Seafaring discovered - Astronomy next research 1260 Finchley now 17 1300 Finchley now 18 1320 Astronomy discovered now for Navigation. Many small caravans have been delivered but this one is worthy of note: Finchley to Cambridge on a different continent yielded 192 1340 Stole Navigation from Mongols. Future players please note dips can't steal from Kabul We have an entry in the top 5 Cities! F8 reveals Finchley at No. 2. A couple of other cities begin celebtrating. 1360 Finchley now 19. Population 4.33 million - researching Chemistry (aiming at Explosives) at a maximum rate of 3 turns. -------------- SG(2) |
John-SJ
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Aug 1999
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posted February 25, 2001 17:38
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Here is the history of my reign, from 1360 to 1520 AD.1360 - Our diplomat (inadvertantly) discovered a barbarian camp near the city of Gloucester. From the outside it looked like just another empty hut.
1400 - Diplomat steals Leadership from Kazan
1440 - Chemistry discovered, working on Explosives.
1500 - Barbarians near Gloucester have been put down with no loss of life or population reduction.
1520 - The reign of King John-SJ ends.
The Gems caravan heading toward Reading is still engaged in it's monumental task and we are on the verge of discovering Explosives. All in all, it's been a relatively peaceful reign. Kabul and Kazan have had techs stolen from them. Save game sent to kcbob. John-SJ
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kcbob
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Kansas City, MO USA
Dec 1999
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posted February 25, 2001 17:45
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Game received.------------------
Frodo lives! |
kcbob
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Kansas City, MO USA
Dec 1999
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posted February 25, 2001 18:54
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In the year 1530, kcbob the Dimwitted came to power in the land of Head Start. While his reign began inauspiciously with Explosives being discovered, Metallurgy chosen as the next research topic, and advanced tribes of Cremona and Cannae being found, in his 40th year he lost complete control of his mental capacities.Convincing himself that Crusaders were the wave of the future (but in reality dreaming of an impossible dream, a great chapel by the artist Michaelangelo), kcbob chose Monotheism as the next research topic. The people were dumbfounded. Why waste such an important decision without the benefit of using a lifeline??? Then again, what the heck is a lifeline in 1570 AD? In an effort to redeem himself to the good graces of the people, kcbob spent the next 40 years preparing a great caravan. A super caravan. The mother of all caravans. And so it was that in 1600, the caravel laden with three caravan, three caravan desired by the kingdoms of the east, set sail. Whether it reaches its ultimate destination only time will tell. And in one last giant leap for mankind (and one small leap for kcbob), the cities of Capua and New Kansas City were founded. Perfect in location, rich with natural resources, these towns will forever be a legacy to the reign of kcbob. They’d better be for in 1610, just 10 short years before his exit in disgrace, in the same year in which the folly of Monotheism was discovered and Physics chosen for the future… the Mongols attacked. Curse all Mongols!  Game sent to Julius. ------------------
Frodo lives! |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted February 26, 2001 04:16
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Kcbob, "Dimwitted" is sure to be an exageration, but I haven't received the game yet.------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
kcbob
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Kansas City, MO USA
Dec 1999
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posted February 26, 2001 08:44
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Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 02-26-2001 04:16 AM
Kcbob, "Dimwitted" is sure to be an exageration, but I haven't received the game yet.
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Hmmmm?? I'll check when I get home tonite. Normally I send myself a copy at work just in case this very thing happens. Of course, I didn't do that the first time I need to.  My bad! Fat finger placed an extra letter in your email address, Julius. Sorry. I'll get it out when I get home. ------------------
Frodo lives!
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kcbob
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Kansas City, MO USA
Dec 1999
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posted February 26, 2001 20:23
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Game resent to Julius.------------------
Frodo lives! |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted February 27, 2001 06:16
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Originally posted by kcbob on 02-26-2001 08:23 PM
Game resent to Julius.
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Game received, this time. I’ll try to play it tomorrow morning. ------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
East Street Trader
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Jun 2000
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posted March 02, 2001 07:02
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At last! Come on the Mongols!!!(Hey. Never thought I'd hear myself saying that.) |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted March 10, 2001 14:20
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Julius - how are you getting along with Mrs. T.? 
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Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted March 10, 2001 15:40
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Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 03-10-2001 02:20 PM
Julius - how are you getting along with Mrs. T.?
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I haven’t forgotten the game. I’m gonna play it tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.
But between the Lightning, the Invasion Earth, the OCC and this Headstart, well … I’m just lucky not to have received the Gigampap this week !
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Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted March 10, 2001 19:26
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I know the feeling - nothing for days - then an avalanche!
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Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted March 11, 2001 08:47
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Arggh !
I played the OCC yesterday and the Invasion Earth this morning. But now I got the lightning one. Some more patience please. If you want to skip me, I would perfectly understand !------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted March 17, 2001 15:02
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1630 Boy this game looks strange. 1640 AD, we discover physics, steam engine next. Many technologies look different without Wonders. 1650 Mongols lose frigate, we lose an explorer. We buy some barbarian partisans. 1660 Sorry I now understand Mongols don’t attack caravans ! So they head again in the direction(s) of Mongolia. BTW, where are the other civs ? 1690 AD we discover Steam Engine. 1710 AD we capture Barbarians leader. Nothing ever happens ! 1740 Barbarians land near Dover. We discover Railroad. 1750 AD Bad news : something has happened : a Mongol spy has bribed Reading ! Advanced Tribe of Genoa. 1752 AD : more good news, the Mongols are a Democracy, we can’t bribe back Reading. We steal Communism, though. 1754 we revolt and are now Communists. Maggie’s going to love that one ! 1758 AD, we discover Industrialization. Looks like a good time for a true Tory to resign … |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted March 17, 2001 15:04
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Game sent to Dave V. There was finally some action …
Sorry for the time I took to play those poor 15 turns.------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
DaveV
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USA - EDT (GMT-5)
b.02-15-99
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posted March 19, 2001 07:50
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Game received, currently second in the queue behind the lightning game. |
DaveV
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b.02-15-99
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posted March 25, 2001 00:20
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Game sent to SG2. High(and low)lights of my reign:1758: rearrange tax sliders (from 2.3.5 to 2.0.8) and workers. Sell some improvements which are at break-even or less.
Income: from 93/81 to 79/70; Science: from 233 (5 turns) to 366 (3 turns). Establish Gold Mountain.
1760: Mongols bribe Berwick  . Mongol ironclad sighted near Capua.
1762: Sleaze 1-3 founded. Mongols drop off some unknown units near Capua.
1764: We discover Democracy, Espionage next. Sleaze 4 founded.
1766: Sleaze 5-8 founded.
1768: Russian cavalry located at (30,70). Sleaze 9,10 founded. Mongol ironclad kills engineers near Stanraer.
1770: Espionage discovered, Conscription next. Science throttled waaay back to 8.1.1 (time to put those spies to work). Our ironclad sinks a Mongol galleon near Stanraer.
1772: Sleaze 11 founded.
1774: Sleaze 12 founded.
1776: Sleaze 13 founded.
1778: Sleaze 14 founded. Mongol ironclad dies attacking Sleaze 8. Defending musketeer promoted!
1780: Sleaze 15 founded.
1782: Sleaze 16-19 founded. Embassy with Mongols at Reading. They're researching Machine Tools, but have inexplicably gone Fundy! They discover Machine Tools anyway  , Guerrilla Warfare is next. Mongol destroyer kills defending musketeer at Sleaze 5.
1784: Sleaze 20-22 founded. Mongol destroyer kills partisans in Sleaze 5. Tacitus reports: we are 7th wealthiest, Mongols are 2nd at 5640. Ouch! Mongol cavalry kills 11 spies. Triple ouch!
1786: We steal Tactics, Amphibious Warfare, Magnetism. Sleaze 23 founded. We wreak revenge on the Mongol cavalry. |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted March 27, 2001 11:16
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1788 - On assuming office in some succession games it is sometimes hard to follow the thinking of your predecessor. Not so this time! Comrade DaveVeeski had begun a huge railroad (dwarfing even the Trans-Siberian) heading for Reading.During the last hours of 1788 the Presidium Strategic Planning Committee agreed the following: a) To continue railway building and improving infrastructure.
b) The maintenance of high tax rates at the expense of science. Advances should be stolen.
c) DaveVeeski had noted in his diary that a Russian Cavalry unit had been spotted to the north. It was decided to investiagte this continent beyond Bristol. Taxes 60; Science 0%(token scientist on the payroll at Finchley for caravans) Lux 40% to prime some celebrating. 1790 - Lux rate reduced to 30%
Mongol Ironclad kills Musketeer at Sleaze 5. Barracks built at Richmond/MarketPlace built at Gold Mountain our new financial capital. 1792 - Mongol destroyers kill caravel and a spy in Sleaze 5 - which has now built a Coastal Fortress.
Land Ahead! The wandering caravel with 3 caravans has just found the French City of Rouen Coal (demanded) 600g. Thank you who ever sent these beasts to sea! The French may not be too advanced as a knight is parked outside Rouen.
Conscription, Electricity, Steel stolen from Reading. Spy bribes back Reading for 908g (98g plundered) take Fundamentalism
Guerrilla Warfare stolen from Berwick bribed back for 512g (56g plundered) took Machine Tools The Mongols (at present) have no techs we require - Comrade Dave, the railroad paid dividends! Now to build a railway to link up the isolated cities around Sleaze 5.
Advanced Tribe (Dingle) (4 city with Temple) found on Continent 2, to the north of Bristol. 1794 - Mongol Cruiser kills Musketeer (despite Coastal Fortress) in Sleaze 5. Mongol Destroyer kills Musk in Sleaze 20. Now researching Economics. Gold to Finchley (demanded 226g) Copper to Rouen (demanded) 472g & Gems 307g Time for Fundy 1796 - REVOLUTION Mongol Navy hands out more punishment to the coastal cities. They have just developed Economics - which we have just stolen. New Grantham founded on that rivered 2xSilk/Gems/Peat spot Hut Barbs/Hut Advanced Tribe - Litherland. 1798 - Hut/100g; Paris located at 147:99 1800 - The Corporation; Our Navy fights back and sinks 1 Cruiser/1 Destroyer. 1802 - The Mongols develop Theory of Gravity!! They're doing well for an advance every 3 turns in Fundy. Coastal Fortresses begin to take their toll on the Mongol Navy. Hut 50g
Theory of Gravity stolen from Mongols. F8 reveals Finchley is the 3rd Top City, behind two Aztec ones of 25 and 29. Moscow and Tenoctitlan both demand Oil - sounds like they have reached Automobile 1804 - Mongol Navy is suffering losses Vet spies sabotage when adjacent to coast.
The Dreaded Message Too Many Cities The Mongols have 41; We have 58, so that leaves 156 amongst the other 5 civs - averaging about 31 each. 1806 - Hut/100g - Mongol Navy is sinking 1808 - Mongols develop Atomic Theory; Hut/Barbs (on Continent 2 to the north) bribing shows them to be NON units. 1810 - Russian Spy spotted at 29/79(2); Hut/200g French sunk the exploring caravel with a destroyer. 1812 - Refining > Combustion; The railway is completed to the isolated Sleaze 18 area.
One or two cities are scheduled for disbanding. 1814 - Mongols develop The Corporation.
Atomic Theory stolen from Mongols. Moscow found! (size 2?)
Embassy, now the Bad News
They own 54 cities, so THAT Moscow is their second one They are 10 techs ahead, Advanced Flight, Automobile, Combined Arms, Combustion, Electronics, Flight, Miniaturization, Mobile Warfare, Rocketry & Radio
 Automobile taken as Little Moscow bribed for 630g; hut/100g;
Looks like the Mongol heartland is south of Sleaze 5. 1816 - oops Little Moscow now surrounded by the White Army Sleaze 4 disbanded/Russian View founded from Advanced Tribe (after I had lined up another city site - that is the road going nowhere with a fort at the end of it ) Oil Freight from Cambridge to Finchley 581g 1818 - Combustion > Mobile Warfare. Russians liberate Little Moscow
Mobile Warfare stolen from Little Moscow
Electronics taken as Little Moscow bribed back for 170g ------------- Game sent to John with copies to all. SG(2)
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East Street Trader
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Jun 2000
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posted March 27, 2001 11:36
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Mobile Warfare and you guys are defending with Musketeers!It's gonna be a bloodbath. Go Mongols Go!!!! |
Scouse Gits
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Nov 1999
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posted March 27, 2001 12:14
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Originally posted by East Street Trader on 03-27-2001 11:36 AM
It's gonna be a bloodbath.
Go Mongols Go!!!!
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LoL @ EST It is a ****ing bloodbath - The Mongols can go or stay - they are not a major problem. The unknown Aztecs with their vast cities could be near to spaceship technology; that is a problem! --------- SG(2) |
John-SJ
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Aug 1999
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posted March 28, 2001 16:09
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Oops, due to a changing in priorities I find that I will not be able to devote enough time to Civing to get this turn out within the next few (several?) days. Since SG(2) has forwarded the turn to everyone, I would be most appreciative if kcbob could step in and play in my place. Thanks all,John-SJ
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kcbob
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Kansas City, MO USA
Dec 1999
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posted March 29, 2001 13:35
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I'll give it a go tonight.------------------
Frodo lives! |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted April 06, 2001 15:47
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Well, you probably all know this, but maybe it is good to think about it. Don’t worry it’s a good news. It seems to me that the AI never starts building Apollo before the human tribe has discovered space flight. We could use that to our advantage wait til we got many spies to steal many techs at once, and then if we got the cash, go for it and lauch in one turn … and win … If I am correct, the Aztecs will kindly wait for us. All it requires is coordination and surviving ... |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted April 06, 2001 16:29
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I have received the game. I’m going to play it this week-end. Kcbob could you post your log ? |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted April 08, 2001 16:59
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1840-1842 ad, we quietly fight the Mongols and engage on a bold trade project with the french. In 1844 ad we are struck by a terrible message. Aztecs have started building Apollo. What can we do about it ? we don’t even know where they are. We capture the city of Khanbalyk in a last futile attemps of glory. Then High Priest Julius, having lost faith and seeing no way to win agains the Aztecs commits suicide, saying “How Lord how come you have abandoned us”. May a true God of the game step up and help us in 1846. |
Julius Brenzaida
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Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted April 08, 2001 17:00
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Dave V, it’s all yours now. The task look impossible. They will launch before we even find them, and I don’t see no way to gain the technologies easily and building faster. Maybe we can steal from the Russians, but it’s a long shot : they’ve got fighters to kill our spies and the railroad is building too slowly. |
Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted April 08, 2001 17:02
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Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida on 04-06-2001 03:47 PM
It seems to me that the AI never starts building Apollo before the human tribe has discovered space flight
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Hmmmmm .... Who said that ? was it really me ? |
DaveV
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USA - EDT (GMT-5)
b.02-15-99
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posted April 09, 2001 18:25
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File received. I'll play as many turns as I can and pass it on.
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DaveV
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b.02-15-99
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posted April 11, 2001 14:35
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After three loooong turns (about 5 hours!), things are looking up. Apollo is still unbuilt, and the Russians have generously shared some of their tech with our spies . Soon, they will share some of their cities . I am headed out on vacation, and can't play for a week, so I pass the game to SG(2). My log:Scene: the Tory war room.
Intelligence officer: The situation is dire, your eminence. The infidels have outstripped us in technology, and now threaten to launch a spaceship that will render futile any further Tory accomplishments.
Military officer: Our chief enemies are far away, you eminence. The Russians lie two continents away, far beyond the reach of our railroads, and the Aztecs lie at at an unknown distance in an unknown direction.
Foreign officer: Your eminence, our power is Moderate and our reputation is Atrocious.
They are all speaking to a robed figure whose face is hidden in the shadows of his cowl. He finally speaks: If our enemies lie beyond the reach of our railroads, then more engineers must be built and our railroads extended! If our enemies have knowledge we lack, that knowledge must be acquired for our empire! Let our unused libraries and universities be razed, and their structure used to build up our military. The infidels' lands shall be taken from them, and added to our empire. When the satellites are launched, we must be ready to take advantage of the intelligence we will gain from them. Back to work! This war is not over yet. Our opponents are many and strong, but lacking in knowledge and subtlety. 1848: The Tories discover Advanced Flight, decide to research Combined Arms next. Our excellent veteran spy brings down the walls in Capua on her first try. Capua is subsequently stormed by Tory armor and captured. Same story for Tabriz, Karakorum (II). Mongols develop Mobile Warfare, Russians develop The Laser, Space Flight next.
1850: Sabotage walls, capture Crete. Spies ride Mongol railroad and scope out the rear areas. Two Russian armor bribed for 1850 each (!), each kills an accompanying armor. Russians capture Brest, acquire Theology.
1851: Trans-Siberian railway completed to Minsk . We steal: Combined Arms , Computers, Robotics . Minsk bribed for the bargain price of 380 gold, Nuclear Power taken . Three caravans sent to inner Mongolia, for a very disappointing payback of a few hundred gold. Not worth the two armors needed to clear a path .
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Julius Brenzaida
Warlord
Switzerland
Aug 2000
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posted May 14, 2001 05:54
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Well, we are damn lucky that the Aztecs are waiting for us before they launch. N'est-ce pas, SG(2) ?------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
Scouse Gits
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Liverpool, United Kingdom
Nov 1999
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posted May 14, 2001 19:10
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Yes - I'm on the case!Sorry for the delay - but this thing called "work" really interrupts the important things like playing Civ2. SG(2) |
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