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Topic: Stacked combat will be pointless if the ai can't use it |  |
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Alexander's Horse
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The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 15, 2001 19:55
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I really hope the Ai knows how to use stacked combat because if it doesn't, single player games are going to be very one sided. It will be like Call to Power I and II where Ai civs can't stack units or hardly ever do and as a result are virtually ineffective in warfare. That would be very bad.I raise this issue because we already have 2 versions of civ and the Ai hasn't yet learned how to put planes on a carrier or missiles on a submarine. ------------------
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paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 15, 2001 19:58
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-15-2001 07:55 PMI raise this issue because we already have 2 versions of civ and the Ai hasn't yet learned how to put planes on a carrier or missiles on a submarine.
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Have you AH?  
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Alexander's Horse
Emperor
The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 15, 2001 20:01
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We must play some time Paiktis The Horse force looks forward to it  ------------------
Founder, Dear Leader and Great Helmsman of PROT -the People's Republic Off Topic www.delphi.com/prot1/ If you're happy and you know it, spam a thread. |
paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 15, 2001 20:13
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Name the time and place you crazy Horse I'm polishing my nukes while waiting for you reply |
ancient
Warlord
Rochester, N.Y. (worst place in the world)
May 2001
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posted May 15, 2001 21:27
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neigh... |
Alexander's Horse
Emperor
The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 15, 2001 22:01
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Oh its a pissing competition is it? Okay.First off, I usually deal with my opponents well before nukes come into play So, Paiktis, what's your preference? A slow lingering death or a massive knock out blow? Let me know - the Horse Empire aims to please ------------------
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paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 15, 2001 22:11
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-15-2001 10:01 PM
First off, I usually deal with my opponents well before nukes come into play
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LOL I just KNEW you were going to say that! Did you think I'd kill you with Crusaders? Get real! I'll let you hope until I get nukes (you won't even know how fast ) and then BOOM It's more sic this way. N'est pas? |
paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 15, 2001 22:12
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I'd say I pissed 3 meters away... |
Alexander's Horse
Emperor
The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 16, 2001 00:28
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Anybody want to address the topic of this thread 
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Founder, Dear Leader and Great Helmsman of PROT -the People's Republic Off Topic www.delphi.com/prot1/ If you're happy and you know it, spam a thread. |
Theben
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BK Heaven
b.02-15-99
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posted May 16, 2001 00:35
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I'm just glad you put your sig in. I forgot to bookmark your *snicker* WEBPAGE and haven't been able to find it since. |
rah
King
Ferretown CST
b.02-15-99
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posted May 16, 2001 08:39
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In CTP II, The AI had no problem building stacks. And what was in the stacks was sometimes even the right combo. The AI's problem in CTP II was it's meekness. There is a FRENZY MOD available that makes them considerably more aggressive. (So much so that they sometimes forget to defend) So it is possible to program.On the Carrier Issue that AH brings up, that is different. The whole stack never attacks at once. The program looks at options for each unit differently so the resulting attacks usually are far from coordinated.
Once a stack is built, the stack can now be treated as a single entity for the programming side. With the very aggressive AI in the Gold version, stacking will change the game dramatically. RAH
Well I tried to bring it back on topic
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paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 16, 2001 09:17
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Come on little Troll You don't expect anyone to take you seriously, let alone answer do you? |
paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 16, 2001 14:50
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I can't believe it  The Horse remained silent???  Are you ok AH? |
Alexander's Horse
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The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 16, 2001 23:06
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People are going to start to think you are weird if you keep ranting at people who aren't online Paiktis.RAH I haven't seen an ai civ use stacks yet in CTP II. Must play some more.
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paiktis22
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Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 16, 2001 23:10
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-16-2001 11:06 PM
People are going to start to think you are weird if you keep ranting at people who aren't online Paiktis.
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Touche I guess you are ok Horse
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paiktis22
Prince
Athens Greece
Oct 2000
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posted May 16, 2001 23:12
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BTW, it took you an awufl lot time to come up with an answer AH! we getting rusty?! |
Alexander's Horse
Emperor
The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 17, 2001 01:14
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Actually I dashed that response off in seconds after coming online here
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Theben
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BK Heaven
b.02-15-99
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posted May 17, 2001 02:28
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Okay, to the point of the thread: quote:
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-15-2001 07:55 PM
I really hope the Ai knows how to use stacked combat because if it doesn't...[t]hat would be very bad.
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Thanks for that spark of pure genius. The obvious never escapes you, does it? |
Alexander's Horse
Emperor
The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 17, 2001 08:56
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I'm not one of your employees.
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Founder, Dear Leader and Great Helmsman of PROT -the People's Republic Off Topic www.delphi.com/prot1/ If you're happy and you know it, spam a thread. |
Grumbold
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London, UK
Mar 2000
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posted May 17, 2001 10:33
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The same arguement could be given for not having a complex tech tree, or wonders, or anything else. If the AI can't cope then the game is bad. It isn't exactly difficult to send all your spare units to the city nearest the threat then combine them into useful armies before marching into enemy territory. |
Theben
Emperor
BK Heaven
b.02-15-99
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posted May 18, 2001 05:01
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I wouldn't trust my employees near a keyboard without pictures on each key. |
Alexander's Horse
Emperor
The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 18, 2001 08:21
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Originally posted by Theben on 05-18-2001 05:01 AM
I wouldn't trust my employees near a keyboard without pictures on each key.
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So they use your keyboard do they? Ha ha ha ha aha ha ha!
I still got it
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Founder, Dear Leader and Great Helmsman of PROT -the People's Republic Off Topic www.delphi.com/prot1/ If you're happy and you know it, spam a thread. |
MrFun
King
United States, Iowa
Nov 2000
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posted May 18, 2001 11:14
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This thread is pointless, since soon, AlexanderHorse's republic will be overthrown in a barrage of paintballs. ------------------
The Martians are out there somewhere, but where? Let's shoot lasers out into space until they shoot back. |
MrFun
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United States, Iowa
Nov 2000
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posted May 18, 2001 23:24
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I take it that the silence means that everyone is taking up arms! (double checking ammo supply) ------------------
The Martians are out there somewhere, but where? Let's shoot lasers out into space until they shoot back. |
Theben
Emperor
BK Heaven
b.02-15-99
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posted May 19, 2001 03:14
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Hey, it's better than your keyboard that Clears Screen by holding it upside down and shaking it.  Weren't you downsized from a similar position?
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Alexander's Horse
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The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 19, 2001 22:31
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Sorry Theben - that riposte scores 2 out of 10
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ancient
Warlord
Rochester, N.Y. (worst place in the world)
May 2001
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posted May 19, 2001 22:48
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every nuke launched at my brainless ai ally is one that wasnt launched at me |
Urban Ranger
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The City State of Noosphere
May 99
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posted May 20, 2001 02:02
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AH should be sentenced to tree planting in the Outback. |
Theben
Emperor
BK Heaven
b.02-15-99
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posted May 20, 2001 04:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-19-2001 10:31 PM
Sorry Theben - that riposte scores 2 out of 10
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And yours was so original... Nice comeback btw |
Alexander's Horse
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The former OT poster known as horse
b.02-15-99
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posted May 20, 2001 19:40
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Can we get back on topic? If the ai can't use stacked combat properly then the game will be ruined, at least in single player mode. It will just be too easy to wipe out ai civs. Civ I and II give no confidence that they will get it right.
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Theben
Emperor
BK Heaven
b.02-15-99
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posted May 21, 2001 02:36
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-20-2001 07:40 PM
Can we get back on topic? If the ai can't use stacked combat properly then the game will be ruined, at least in single player mode. It will just be too easy to wipe out ai civs. Civ I and II give no confidence that they will get it right.
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You mean at one point we were on topic? I know what your saying. But in this case, like almost every other new feature, it boils down to how good Firaxis programmed the AI. HOMM3 had pretty good AI stacks, and I see no reason why Firaxis couldn't do the same, unless they didn't try. And since we gamers put it high on our "fix-it" list, AND because I do think Firaxis is listening to us, AND because reports say that Sid wants to get this game done right, I am confident that the AI will be a worthwhile opponent. Mostly confident. |
Grumbold
Prince
London, UK
Mar 2000
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posted May 21, 2001 07:03
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I agree. The additional element of stacking is pretty trivial compared to assessing sensible places to dig in defensive positions and sensible force compositions to attack with and the right targets to attack. If they can get the AI to do that right then armies that fight simultaneously rather than in queue-formation is simple. |
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