quote: Originally posted by senowen on 05-17-2001 09:34 PM I think that is a brilliant idea, but it shouldn't be 12-15. It should be about double that. As a matter of fact I think that all units should have about double what they had in Civ II. It creates much better military strategy options, especially with new army rules. Limiting any unit to just one movement point just kills it strategically in an open field battle. It makes them just sitting ducks and it makes the military a slow bohemoth that will eat away at your time.

Keep in mind though that MPs and number of times you can attack is the same thing! So if you have units with very high MPs, and the unit is very powerful, then it could potentially have the ability to attack and kill enemy units before they even have a chance to counterattack!

quote: Originally posted by Jonny on 05-17-2001 06:45 PM Let me give everyone my idea about the railroads issue. How many times have you seen a tank travel by train? Or even by airplane?

During WW-2, transport new tanks from nazi-germany to the eastern front with railroad WAS infact the prefered method, when ever possible. It was cheaper, faster and it didnt wear the tanks down nearly us much. Some future american tank-models are going to be constructed with air-lift possibility in mind.

quote: I think that tanks and mechanized infantry should not be able to travel by rail, or even be airlifted. Perhaps artillery, howitzers, and cannon should not be able to use a railroad or be airlifted as well. I think that there should be an improvement for railroad, such as a highway, that provides cheaper movement for all ground units, including tanks, mechanized infantry, cannons, artillery, and howitzers. Perhaps moving on railroads should cost 1/10 of a movement point except for tanks, mechanized infantry, howitzers, cannons, and artillery. It would cost them 1/3 of a movement point (as if a road was alongside the railroad). It would cost all ground units 1/20 of a movement point to go on highways.

quote: Originally posted by polymths on 05-15-2001 03:28 PM How is this counterbalanced by their actual low MPs? Some units like howitzers, maybe have with only 2 MPs but tanks have 4 MPs as does Mech Infantry.

That means an armour unit can attack a maximum of 4 times, just like any other armour unit that are not transported by railroads. What's the difference?

quote: Originally posted by polymths on 05-15-2001 03:28 PM I agree that railroads are strategically important. But if roads have 3x movement and railroads say have 4x or even 5x, they will still be important. I mean at 5x, you could move 20 tiles in one turn!

If you really want, maybe a rule that says that railroad movement cannot be combined with off-railroad movement, and another rule that says a unit cannot attack more than once after moving on railroads.

quote: Originally posted by polymths on 05-15-2001 03:28 PM It is really quite bizarre that people have no problem with infinite movement on RRs but then don't support making all units such as planes and ships have nearly infinite movement. It is a contradiction that I simply don't get!

quote: Originally posted by Ralf on 05-15-2001 04:20 PM In some end-games I have conquered almost half the AI-empire within that critical first HP-turn. Many of those AI-cities where fortified with rather attack-potent bombers and missiles for example, but to no avail. They simply didnt get any FAIR change to retaliate. Much (if not all) of this have to do with the faulty RR "unlimited moves" and "unaffected combat-strength" rules.

This is a sword that can cut both ways. If you can do that to a computer player, in theory a computer player can do that to you. In practice, of course, the AI isn't smart enough to do something like that. But this can easily be fixed by

• requiring an invader to capture all hexes along a railroad.
• adding a rule that says a unit cannot attack more than once after moving on a railroad on the same turn. The reverse also holds true: a unit that has attacked more than once cannot move on a railroad on the same turn.
• railroad movement cannot be combined with non-railroad movement: a unit must start its turn in a railroad hex to use railroad movement.

I ALSO think terrain should affect movement EVEN with roads/RR etc , even a Railroad has to go over some slopes and twists around hills, slowing it down further than hills.
Infantry can walk faster across mountains than vehicles in some cases, 2 legs are efficient over highly rugged terrain, though roads do help vehicles the most I agree.

RIVERS there shuld be a penalty for crossing rivers, just takes 2 MP's to go on or off a river between nonriver tiles. Unless theres a bridge.. otherwise youd need barges or maybe ponttoon bridges to cross.

There should be more done to stop mass tank Blitzkreigs..
things like rivers or brocage tank traps/mines and slower roads could help make it more realistic.

Admiral Pete