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- SilverDragon, scourge of the western skies

How about ethnocracy?? An ethnocratic government basically gives democratic freedom and rights to one race or ethnic group while denying those same freedom and rights to other race or ethnic groups.

*Subsistence- The tribal government based on family society (gentility comunity) the one you start with. no units
*Slavism- A societ like the roman empire and greece. unit Slaver
*Feudalism- Like the Medieval Europe. unit Cruzaders or Feudal Sir
*Fundamentalism- Like in theocracies based on god's will. unit Cleric
*Capitalism- Money is everithing like usa. unit ctp's Corporative Branch
*Comunism- like the economy in URSS. unit Comunit Chief
*Liberalism- big companies rules. unit Multinacional Company
*Ambientalism- protect the enviromental. unit Pollution Cleaner
And other economic choices could be created

quote: Originally posted by Phalanx_TS on 05-07-2001 09:38 AM * screams in vain * damn nation my endless wall of fanatics !!! all gone !!!

I can appreciate that, but you can always play civ2, just like you can play civ1 if you want the settler cheat.
with a combination of the settler cheat and the unlimited movement cheat, I could improve every square in 1 turn!

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Our motto is There is no Horse but Horse!

quote: Originally posted by ancient on 05-08-2001 08:58 PM but heres a idea i have the abiliaty to mix two or more govts to get a different govt. it would work and it could give you some weird mixes.. but none of them could be all positive cus the program would make sure negativs must be mxed in with positives.. heres a few mixes which we see in the world around us Democratic Republic - usa (since it isnt a true democracy) well couldnt think of more.. but i know theres more.. so if you wanted to you could go Democratic-Communist Mix Traits from Monarchy and republic and much much more..

Ancient, are you talking like the SMAC Social Engineering screen?

That's because they were not Fundies.

Some SE Ideas:

Economy:
Standard, Feudal, Mercantile, Laissez Faire
Decision Making:
Autocracy, Oligarchy, Representative, Direct
Priorities:
Stability, Wealth, Knowledge, Technology

There has been a lot of talk about woman's suffrage, end of slavery, etc. Why can't a lot of these sweeping social changes happen in the social engineering screen?

You should at least be able to see something about what the other civs Government/SE choices are.

I wonder if communism would decrease culture levels too, and democracy could increase it.. culture could be a factor in SE manipulations.

Fundamentalism is almost the same as Theocracy, which are both forms of Monarchy. All of you should take a political science course so you know what you're talking about, especially JamesJKirk. I hope that different governments offer different styles of play because in Civ, Civ2, CTP, CTP2, the gameplay didn't change when the government changed.

And Democracy doesn't increase culture in any way. The United States has the weakest form of culture the world has ever seen, and it was the first true democracy. Democracy isn't the cause of the weak culture, its the mixture of different nationalities, the melting pot theory.

quote: Originally posted by SoulAssassin on 05-10-2001 09:19 AM All of you should take a political science course so you know what you're talking about, especially JamesJKirk.

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Huh? No, really, what?

I'm....sor....ry?

quote: Originally posted by HsFB on 05-10-2001 12:24 PM Imran, can you think of ANY modern communist countries NOT a dictatorship? I'm for SE...

Can you think of any Communist countries that are truly communist? And w/o communist philosophies is it likely that we'd have the rights to organize into unions, worker protections laws, minimum wages, etc? Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't, being a civ person I'm sure you're interested in social sciences, and being interested in thus that should be one major thing to keep in mind!

I picked up a book once (you may be able to find it at your library. Its called World Government. I forget alot of the other pertinent info, but its probably in the refence section, about the size of an Atlas), and it talked about and described, among other things, the different forms of government around the world. It divided it up by region, and gave the most detail on the major government in that region (ie, Canada, US, Mexico, Germany, France, UK, China, South Africa, frm USSR, [you get the point], got their own blurbs [with diagrams, which is the important part, i'll get to that later], and other nations got a little less coverage).

Now, the important part is, the government systems that got the most coverage got the models, and the models really caught my eye. Besides the fact that they helped me understand the governments of different parts of the world better, the fact that they used a colourful and visually accomodating diagram made me think of Civ. Those diagrams could easily be incorporated into the game to literally allow the 'construction' of governmetn by players. It would be much better if you saw this for yourself, but I'll do my best to describe it...

I'll use the example of the US government to illustrate first.

On a white field, there was a green rectangular prism (picture a green pizza box, on its side) labelled "Electorate". From this box, there was an arrow pointing at... um, picture an orange pizza box lying flat, now, labeled "Congress". On this Congress pizza box, there were two red cubes, labeled "Senate", and "House of Representaives". Standing on top of the senate box, (as prez of the senate), was the Vice President, pictured as a little purple figure that looked like a person... sort of. The lines from the elctorate showed how the people elect, directly, their Senators and Reps (details were written on the arrows). More arrows showed the indirect relationship between the Electorate and the President, the Prez and Vice Prez, and the Prez and his cabinet, cabinaet and Senate, Prez and judiciary, and electorate and judiciary. You may think this is messy, but this was the first time I really understood how the American system works (in a technical sense). This is what was nice about these diagrams: they were very easy to understand. The flow charts were not messy. And this was for demonstrating a system with compartively more checks and balances than other nations. I found the communist systems of the USSR, Cuba and Angola more difficult to follow, however.

The example of the United Kingdom had the elctorate, with an arrow to the House of Commons, who they elect. On the cube representing the Commons, was a cube representing the cabinet, showing that unlike in the US, where the cabinet's "cube" was removed from the congress, the British cabinet is responsible to the House. A line from the Queen (pictured as a person [just like the Prez, Vice Prez in US diagram, only with a crown], labelled monarch, with details indicating heditary system) to cabinet showed that the PM and cabinet (PM a little people figure, too, standing atop cabinet "cube") are appointed by the monarch, with support of the Commons. A line from PM and Monarch to House of Lords showed how some Lords are apointed by monarch on advice of PM, and the rest hereditary, etc.

Now, let me explain how this could work in Civ, though you probably alrady made the conection...

Early in the game, you would start out with just you, and possilble something that indicated influence from tribal warlords. As the game progressed, rather that 'discovering' forms of government, which is patently ridiculous, your civ would develop the components of government. Rather than discovering democracy, you would develop The Electorate, and be able to include that into your model/flow chart, for bonuses and drawbacks, similar to what is seen when you develop a new SE model or install a new gov't ala Civ I/II. How involve are the electorate? Are their representatives puppets, or can they in direct referenda, block your every move? How much influence does the military have? Do they have members in the Parliament, ready to 'gently influence' their civilian counterparts on the affairs of governing, as can be seen in the book's diagram for Libya, or is military kept a tarms length from gov't processes, with civilian oversight? Are you a one, two, multi or no party system?

You can understand more of the possiblities if you read the book for yourself. The system could be set up so that you could select pre-set systems to avoid fiddling around with details and get that Civ I/II feeling, or add an embelishment here and there to get the SE feeling of SMAC.

Sabre