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Topic: What we DON'T want in Civ 3... |  |
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Mr Chafe
Chieftain
Aberdeen, Scotland, UK.
Apr 2001
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posted April 26, 2001 15:01
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A definitive list of things we defintely DO NOT want in Civilization 3. |
Ecthelion
Emperor
of the German Reich =)
Mar 2000
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posted April 26, 2001 17:01
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Static unit modelStatic government model Static terrain model The optimal basis for all of the models that should replace the static ones is SMAC. CIV2: bad models... CTP: new game, old models, bad. |
cyclotron7
Warlord
The Golden State
Jan 2001
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posted April 26, 2001 17:57
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What do you mean by a "static model?" Do you mean unit workshops for units, etc.?------------------
- Cyclotron7, "that supplementary resource fanatic" |
EnochF
Prince
Seattle, WA
b.02-15-99
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posted April 26, 2001 18:12
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Nuclear power plants that are guaranteed to explode a few turns after you build them.The AI Entity. Technologies with "age" or "revolution" in them, like "Age of Reason" or "Agricultural Revolution." A Unit Workshop (which has already been ruled out anyway). Random events that can cripple cities or drain the entire gold reserve. Enemy AI that continually violates your borders and camps out on valuable resource tiles for no good reason, even when the civ is friendly. Cheap-looking CGI wonder movies.
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Lawrence of Arabia
Chieftain
San Francisco, CA, USA
Apr 2001
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posted April 26, 2001 22:59
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-Desert tiles next to tundra tiles-small invisible units -bad in-game music -bad AI ------------------
Its okay to smile; you're in America now |
colossus
Warlord
Hong Kong
Nov 1999
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posted April 27, 2001 01:18
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AI Miracles - eg. AI elephant bribes my pikeman, AI chunks out 30 SS structurals in a single turn from nowhere, infinite AI missile range, etc.Unlimited railroad movement - Its faster taking a train from Boston to San Francisco than a fighter. It takes forever to reach monarchy(CtP syndrome) - No, I just love monarchy, don't care much about historical accuracy. Compulsory 3D graphics - Can I disable it(somehow like ToT) to speed up the game? Fundamentalism - Never again. Require CD to play the game - I like to listen to my favourite CD while playing. |
Mister Pleasant
Chieftain
New Orleans
Jan 2001
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posted April 27, 2001 04:39
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(1) Lack of a build queue
(2) Stealth Fighter losing to a pikeman
(3) The instant rejection of all diplomatic proposals if you get too powerful. (Yes, yes - I know the AI hasn't got a chance unless it fully gangs up on you. Still . . .)
(4) Incompetent AI
(5) So many tile improvements that you can't even hope to build all of them or even care to.
(6) AI allies that decide an alliance means they can build in your territory.
(7) The inability to ask anybody to leave your territory
(8) And AI that actually assesses the risks before answering a "get out" ultimatum - namely one that doesn't either always back down (CtP2) or one that always responds 'Taste my steel' even though the musketeers guarding its single city will shortly be facing 10 tanks (Civ2).In short, make the AI seem a little more rational. Oh yeah . . . (9) An interface that's a clickfest. |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted April 27, 2001 05:47
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1) Over-done graphics with a lot of animation.
2) Future techs!!!!!
3) Unit Workshop
4) AI taking control of your diplomacy during hotseat games |
Ecthelion
Emperor
of the German Reich =)
Mar 2000
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posted April 27, 2001 13:20
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static means no flexibility |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted April 27, 2001 13:24
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5) An artificially low limit on number of civilizations per game (eg. 7) |
dognheat
Settler
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Apr 2001
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posted April 27, 2001 14:23
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Endless movement on railroads or any other surface for that matter. I don't care about time frame in relation to movement or any other crap.
Movement from one side of the map to the other by ground units SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPEN !!!
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Fintilgin
Chieftain
Apr 99
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posted April 27, 2001 14:42
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Only 7 Civs per game. Icky icky.  |
Ecthelion
Emperor
of the German Reich =)
Mar 2000
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posted April 27, 2001 14:54
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yeah, 7 is way too much! bollocks to traditions! hurrah to innovation!  |
drake
King
of the Massholes
Oct 2000
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posted April 27, 2001 14:58
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255 city limits gotta go! |
Erka
Settler
Sweden
Apr 2001
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posted April 27, 2001 15:25
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Civ-specific bonuses, like the Romans get better legions and stuff
like that. As mentioned in earlier posts, this might be cool in
scenarios, but is absolutely NOT in the main game.
Firaxis, if you have to include this, PLEASE make it optional! |
Cyberbugs
Settler
Sweden
Mar 2001
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posted April 27, 2001 17:41
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A very minor, but yet annoying thing, is if the advisors present in the top right of the screen look exactly the same in the modern as well in the ancient era.It looks kinda stupid, and sort of wrecks the feeling of controlling an ancient civilization many thousands of years before the birth of Christ, with a guy wearing glasses long before glass was invented. |
cyclotron7
Warlord
The Golden State
Jan 2001
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posted April 27, 2001 18:22
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Big one:Anything that sacrafices gameplay for realism.
That is what I cannot stand, and what I fight against. ------------------
- Cyclotron7, "that supplementary resource fanatic" |
Admiral PJ
Chieftain
Southeast England , UK
Dec 2000
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posted April 28, 2001 08:09
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I don't want a badly neglected diplomacy system..
the player should be able to do all the things the AI could in diplomacy,
like:player demands 2000gold or will declare nuclear war in civ2 you couldn't specify an amount, I find interacting with the AI good, I hope they allow stacked player/ally units like in SMAC,
though It might be a bit silly if your defending all an AI's cities. |
Admiral PJ
Chieftain
Southeast England , UK
Dec 2000
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posted April 28, 2001 08:21
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realism.. yeah i agree, I would like a realistic looking landscape like i said (without too much flatness),
and realistic wonders - how can the pyramids allow a city the other side of the world to have a granary.
It is a game though so the main thing is gameplay.AdmiralPJT |
Mr Chafe
Chieftain
Aberdeen, Scotland, UK.
Apr 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 14:23
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I've read that in Civ3 the combat will be like CtP, where you can create armies of units. Doesn't this promote a more war like game, and less on the side of diplomacy and peace? |
Sirotnikov
King
Israel
Feb 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 15:04
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future techs suck.
civ spcific traits suck. |
Ralf
Prince
Sweden
Mar 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 15:04
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What I dont want in Civ-3 is:- A sloppy AI that builds too few city-improvements/ too many units
- A sloppy AI that cannot exploit its AI city-areas properly
- A sloppy AI that cannot exploit its available AI land-areas properly - Non-transparent game-mechanics - lost connection between input/output
- Jumbled multi small-screen interface ala CTP-series
- Text tweak-files that dont allow me to spoonfeed what the AI-civs should build & prioritize.
- A civ-game without re-arrangeable city-area tile-output feedback. Theres more to add, but above is the more important stuff. |
Dimorier Maximus
Settler
Marets
May 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 15:16
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A message that reads: "Only fighters can attack air units." Where is the anti-aircraft machinery?! How about some satellite defense systems? |
Mr Chafe
Chieftain
Aberdeen, Scotland, UK.
Apr 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 18:37
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Maybe I should arange these into some sort of definitive list, maybe the makers can get a few ideas? Should I? |
cyclotron7
Warlord
The Golden State
Jan 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 18:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Chafe on 05-01-2001 02:23 PM
I've read that in Civ3 the combat will be like CtP, where you can create armies of units. Doesn't this promote a more war like game, and less on the side of diplomacy and peace?
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Enhancing war does not make it necissarily a war game. As long as diplomacy and trade are enhanced too, we can keep a balance. Just because Civ2 was war based doesn't mean we shouldn't improve on the war system. ------------------
- Cyclotron7, "that supplementary resource fanatic" |
Roman
Prince
Bratislava, Slovakia
Sep 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 19:04
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I agree completely, Cyclotron 7. |
Sabre2th
Chieftain
Ballston Spa, NY, USA
Nov 2000
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posted May 01, 2001 23:00
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quote:
A message that reads: "Only fighters can attack air units." Where is the anti-aircraft machinery?! How about some satellite defense systems?
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definately quote:
I've read that in Civ3 the combat will be like CtP, where you can create armies of units. Doesn't this promote a more war like game, and less on the side of diplomacy and peace?
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um....no ------------------
"We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."
-Thomas A. Edison
[This message has been edited by Sabre2th (edited May 01, 2001).] |
King Richard
Warlord
Oslo, Norway
Apr 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 23:19
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-cheating AI (completes wonders miraculusly fast, getting techs that they shouldn't have yet, having units the same turn they get the tech, etc. etc. etc.)-Space race to alpha centauri & future techs (a space race to the moon is better, but not if you win the game by going there!) -Too big historical inaccuracies!!! -LIMITS! -Units that move too slow (A huge problem in the different worlds in civ2ToT) -Too few options! (the more options the better!) -Too few programmed city-names! (After you've built a lot of cities, they're suddenly named: Cunaxa, Issus etc. Doesn't fit the americans very well! -I know you can make your own names, but that's not easy with the egyptians and babylonians etc.) -Bugs! -Really bad graphics! (Gameplay is more important, but why not get it all?) -The AI civs all ally with each other, when you have been a nice-guy! -The AI builds cities close to yours! -I could go on forever... |
Insigna
Settler
Apr 2001
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posted May 01, 2001 23:22
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An AI that cheets. I hate that. Make a good AI Not a cheeting one.
Well maby a little cheeting is ok but not to much. |
lord of the mark
Warlord
USA
Dec 2000
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posted May 02, 2001 16:08
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quote:
Originally posted by cyclotron7 on 04-27-2001 06:22 PM
Big one:Anything that sacrafices gameplay for realism.
That is what I cannot stand, and what I fight against.
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I'll say it again: for some of us, realism is part of the fun. LOTM |
cyclotron7
Warlord
The Golden State
Jan 2001
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posted May 02, 2001 18:33
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quote:
Originally posted by lord of the mark on 05-02-2001 04:08 PM
I'll say it again: for some of us, realism is part of the fun.
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For me, too. Notice that I said I don't like realism only when it sacrafices gameplay. ------------------
- Cyclotron7, "that supplementary resource fanatic" |
ancient
Settler
Rochester, N.Y. (worst place in the world)
May 2001
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posted May 02, 2001 20:53
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i dont really care what they put in there... whatever they do or dont do it will be fine.. sid is a genious you know.. |
carioca
Chieftain
Kirtland Stk, Clvlnd Mis, Republic of Deseret
Feb 2001
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posted May 03, 2001 10:18
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Slow ships  They should be *much* faster than the land units, even with roads! |
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