Swift anecdote: At work (gardening), we have a very plucky robin who chases around after us for worms when we've been digging, and has been named 'Christopher' after Christopher Robin, you see?

quote: Originally posted by kolpo on 03-03-2001 09:15 AM One of the things I really loved in civ1 was Staling, he was really a complet bastard who I loved to fight against, especial when he was stronger as me. So please bring Staling back and give him again a bastard like personality. Viva Staling ! Viva Staling ! (just joking )

Who is this Staling you keep talking about?

Acutally the three worst civs for backstabbing were
the
Russians
Zulus
Mongols

quote: Originally posted by Sabre2th on 03-08-2001 07:08 PM You're very insightful, BRENNAN.

Even if he can't spell. ;-)

Marx should be one of CIV's leaders.

"Ever Hear of Plato? Aristotle? Socrates? Morons"
-- The Princess Bride

EDIT: Hey how are you supposed to get Underlines?? I thought it was [u][/u].

quote: Originally posted by Skeeve on 03-09-2001 12:33 PM Stalin, Hitler, Bolsheviks.. etc. You know who was really responsible? [u]Karl Marx[/u]. A Philosopher who still rules a part of the world from the grave. If you think about it... it was his philosophy that spilled more blood in the last 150 years than all the centuries of human history combined! (I guess Darwin's "survival of the fittest" theory helped add fuel to the fire, though) Marx should be one of CIV's leaders.

Under that argument, then, you would need to add Moses, Mohammed and Jesus Christ (or the Apostle Paul) as leaders. After all, Moses' philosophies still lead the Jews several thousand years later-including those not even in Israel! As for Christianity, it ruled Europe for over a thousand years, and it's philosophies still affect the Western world today to some extent. Islam is certainly the driving force behind the Middle East today as well.

I think what Civ was trying to do, though, is reflect how political leaders made civilizations great, as opposed to their religious philosophies. Adding religious/philosophical leaders as influences over political leaders would be good, but not as the actual leaders themselves.

Marc

quote: Originally posted by JosefGiven on 03-05-2001 08:07 PM Stalin's body-count? Well into the twenties of millions...Not including the strategic bungles he made during World War Two (Military purges not included). He was a REAL bastard. Hitler didn't even make it into the tens of millions, the second-rate loser. Mao Tse Tung...now he really knew his stuff...

Good God, what are you trying to turn this into? A game between dictators? Whoever kills most is the most evil? Like an arcade game? *sigh*

quote: You know who was really responsible? [u]Karl Marx[/u]. A Philosopher who still rules a part of the world from the grave. If you think about it... it was his philosophy that spilled more blood in the last 150 years than all the centuries of human history combined!

Oh yeah? And, of course, to all of those workers who had to endure the most appalling conditions after the industrial revolution...they were wrong to protest about their genuine exploitation, mmm? Or perhaps you forget that Marx's theory was the original basis from which today's modern-day social democracy has evolved, as seen all throughout Europe, which is both alive and working many times better than the rampant conservatism we see in the US?

-Marx talks about "The despotism of the labor class" not "the despotism of one person". Marx idea was: start a revolution, destroy the power of the ruling class(only there power should be destroyed not there life), and let then the labor class on a democratic way rule the nation.
-Stalin his idea was: I do wathever I want and if someone disagrees will he, his family, his town(sometimes even his nation) be killed.

-Marx found the life conditions of the labor class and the farmers should be inproved.
-Stalin didn't care about the life condition of anybody he only cared about getting nuclear missiles, improving his army and expanding his teritory(He refused to give Poland his libertyv back after WII for excample). He has killed millions of farmers with his stupid farming policy.

quote: Good God, what are you trying to turn this into? A game between dictators? Whoever kills most is the most evil? Like an arcade game? *sigh* Some people are just born thick.

quote: ...so to all of you IDIOTS who keep telling us that Hitler wasn't that bad compared to Stalin, go and f— yourselves. Most of you are probably too young to remember the Gulf War, let alone WWII and your 8th grade history classes that you probably FLUNKED in.

I've re-read the drunken post I made, and although I was quite pleased with the general standard of English used (for one so mashed), I must agree that I needed to check my facts. I think my beer-addled mind was trying to get across the level of civilian casualties caused by such despots, wars NOT included. So you've every right to draw me up on that I s'pose.

quote: Originally posted by tmarcl on 03-10-2001 11:04 AM Under that argument, then, you would need to add Moses, Mohammed and Jesus Christ (or the Apostle Paul) as leaders. After all, Moses' philosophies still lead the Jews several thousand years later-including those not even in Israel! As for Christianity, it ruled Europe for over a thousand years, and it's philosophies still affect the Western world today to some extent. Islam is certainly the driving force behind the Middle East today as well. I think what Civ was trying to do, though, is reflect how political leaders made civilizations great, as opposed to their religious philosophies. Adding religious/philosophical leaders as influences over political leaders would be good, but not as the actual leaders themselves. Marc

Perhaps in light of CIV games a Philosophical leader is best because how else could someone live for 6000 years?!

Military leaders effect the most change in a short period of time, but it's the Philosopher's and Religious ideas which continue to rule through the millenia...