Because it never fails any mission except 7, it becomes excessively powerful and creates ridiculous strategies, such as bribing the world in fundamentalism. Curtailing the power of the unit is desired. I proposed the following change:

2.)Bribe city
Dip/spy can only bribe cities in disorder, or cities previously belong to you, and the rate of sucess is less than 100%

4.)Steal tech
The rate of sucess should be 50% only. Once failed, the city cannot be targeted for 2nd round of espionage.

6.)Poison city
The rate of sucess should be 50% only. A city can only be poisoned once per turn.

7.)Sabotage
The rate of sucess should be 50% only. A city can only be sabotaged once per turn.

1) Make any action by a spy cost gold;

2) Make every action a probability (less than 50%). I think that this varied on outside factors (government, regard, whether or not spy was in city 'attacked' etc.)

3) Bribing a city (even with a low possiblity), only made the city form its own civilization rather than joining yours.

Author Topic: Diplomat/Spy

colossus
Chieftain
Hong Kong
Nov 1999 posted February 28, 2001 03:55

The diplomatic units in civ2 can do the following things:

1.)Bribe unit
How about using the SMAC method? I think it 50 to 70% if you don't want your spy caught or the 100% and your spy is caught.

2.)Bribe city
I like your answer.

3.)Establish embassy
No change

4.)Steal tech
This one is tough because of what has happen in the US since the late 40s. The Russian were able to get Nuclear secrets plus alot of other information from the US. How about 50% to 75% suscess rate with 50% change of being caught and then waite 5 turns before you try again? or the 100% suscess and is caught 100% of the time.

5.)Investigate city
This one petty hard to stop, even in the real world.

6.)Poison city
In this day and age a lot easier then we might want to relize. How about Your answer plus 100% if the spy is caught.

7.)Sabotage
How about this 50% 50% chance of suscess and geting caught, if the spy want 100% suscess he is caught.

New function
8.)Steal map
Dip/spy can attempt to steal map from other civ. One attempt per city only.
The rate of success should be 50%

I like this one.

Colossus since you started this subject why not send this to Firaxis for a question and maybe they will buy it and used it.

quote: Originally posted by Bubba on 02-28-2001 11:23 AM Despite its faults, three things done in CTP II (& perhaps I) which were interesting include: 1) Make any action by a spy cost gold; 2) Make every action a probability (less than 50%). I think that this varied on outside factors (government, regard, whether or not spy was in city 'attacked' etc.) 3) Bribing a city (even with a low possiblity), only made the city form its own civilization rather than joining yours. Perhaps these could be implemented?

I like your points, Bubba, especially, dip action costs gold.