quote: Originally posted by Jer8m8 on 02-07-2001 02:49 PM ...While meaningless it was good knowing my civ had a 100% literary rate and 3% disease rate...

Didn't the literacy figures directly represent the efficiency of your library/university/sci-lab set-up? Mind you, I haven't a clue how the disease rate was calculated, or what it was supposed to represent.

Anyway, I give the thumbs-up for an 'ego'-screen, as Phaydor so eloquently put it. Bring back the external palace view from Civ I, that's what I say. The thing I didn't like about the throne-room in Civ II, was the 'modern' stage decor. Who wanted to trade their grand throne in for a bloody desk, eh?

After building those only a few times, I got bored with it - I already knew what all the additions were going to be, and what the final completion looked like.

quote: Originally posted by yin26 on 02-08-2001 02:32 AM Now wouldn't it be cool if your leadership ability and foreign relations were affected by how well you decorated your throne room? You could put a fish tank in the corner for that scatter-brained ambassador from Chile, a heated throne for those long winters, and later a wide-screen TV for when there's a lull. Just click on the Throne Room and watch it in action! O.K. This part is overboard, but you get the idea. (...though it's a tantalizing idea at any rate...)

Nice idea Yin
Let's take it even further.
You have to deside how much money you spend on your thrownroom/palace. The more you spend, the faster improwments and functions described by Yin.

My opinion probably killed the thread because it was the last: I hope it doesn't kill this too!

For lazy people, my opinion was (and still is):

quote: Someone think that the Palace/Throne room is something to show your achievement with nice graphics (figures and bar graphs are not appealing the same way, I agree). Someone think it should be something you actually "build or pay", others that simply a display of values. I'll vote for a long list of age-related improvement, from gardens to castle, from statue to paintings, from city renamed to your leader name to special buildings (highest tower of the world, longest bridge, new modern hospital or university, etc.). You can see it as lot of icons (easy to cusomize) in a interactive part of civilopedia that show them as they progress. It will be a "book of your leader name here dinasty" or "book of your civilization here civilization". If you prefer, they can appear on city screen instead, as special buildings (not easy to take a whole look at, but more nice to see them properly fit). If you think that anything in Civ III must be game related or it will be useless, promote these little gems to the role of small (free - they are gift from your population) local wonders, or special buildings. They will appear on one of your cities randomly (when the related pre-requisite is meet, think also to scenario triggers) or where more appropriate. Showed on the book or on the map, they should add a small local effect on happiness or production, money, research, health: just pick one. You will love that small gift as you should

Just edited to underline that Yin's idea of customizability can apply here too.
Customize (or download free from Firaxis site) new set of liked "gifts" and related effects: sculpture like Mr Rushmore, dedicated Aircraft Carrier like Ronald Regan USS; possibility are endless.

quote: Now, shall I use my money to throne room or improve something other... Interesting idea, since in the beginning of the game it is more important with beatuful places than later. And early money is expensive...

I'd end up spending all my gold on the throne room and letting my civ's society stagnate.

But, like everyone else.....
Yes to palace
No to throne room.

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quote: Originally posted by Krippled on 02-11-2001 06:59 PM Didn't you all think the second throne was a lot better than the third throne though? I did.

Ah, yes. Much better. In fact would always buils to the 2nd throne asap and then leave it until the very last upgrade possible!

quote: And have its exuberance add to your score in some respect. (Perhaps morale because your populace is proud of it),and maybe the defense of the city in which it resides?

Here we differ in opinion. The palace is already created by how high your score is. If it added to your score, then it would get bigger, wich would add to your score, and then the palace would grow again, etc., etc.

It would be even more rewarding if you got "war-monuments" for conquoring entire nations or other monumnets which appear in front of the palace when acts of wonder are completed.

Maybe some of the lesser Wonders should be relegated to monuments which the player can choose from:
e.g. select to build one of Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, Nelson's Column, bronze statue of Lenin outside palace.

quote: Originally posted by Deathwalker on 02-12-2001 11:15 AM I think we should keep the throne room, it's a part of Civ and should stay in.

actually the throne room was part of civII. The original civ had a palace.

I'D REALLY LIKE, however, to see several scenes of your people's daily lives accompanied by brief descriptions of their thougts. (Sort of a "city view" but on a nation-wide level.) Show a picturesque representation of an ancient family at the market. Show a medieval farm with a caption of the farmers' thoughts. Show what the streets, shops and libraries look like in modern times.

Is there construction and growth or stagnation? I envision this will be the equivalent of a King looking out of his castle.

These things can all be represented visually to make the game interesting as well as provide a measuring stick for our successes. Imagine a combination of the throne room and the demographics screen...but more life-like.

quote: Originally posted by Bender on 02-12-2001 04:30 PM I'D REALLY LIKE, however, to see several scenes of your people's daily lives accompanied by brief descriptions of their thougts. (Sort of a "city view" but on a nation-wide level.) Show a picturesque representation of an ancient family at the market. Show a medieval farm with a caption of the farmers' thoughts. Show what the streets, shops and libraries look like in modern times.

Then you want Caesar 3, not Civ3.

quote: Originally posted by Theben on 02-13-2001 02:23 AM Then you want Caesar 3, not Civ3.

Actually, I'd like to see some Caesar3 elements (animated, 3D CityView, with age and civ specific architecture/sounds/music/art), but that's another thread

I also like Yin's idea, with the customizable Palace. You could chose what to develope in the Palace: the building itself, the gardens, the Throne Room or other rooms. The improvements would be paid from your people (as a recognition of your leadership) while foreign ambassadors could give you beautiful gifts.

quote: Originally posted by Roman on 02-17-2001 08:31 AM I feel this issue is not very important and Firaxis should concentrate on other aspects of the game.

I agree, but palaces and statistics can be a nice diversion once in a while. It'd be nice if they could tweak these once they have the important stuff done.