Now come the real problem, what to do with all the ideas. There are some ideas that are rejected stright out early on, but a majority of them is still in the fuzzy zone.

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Another example:

quote: Originally posted by OrionRed on 11-16-2000 11:41 AM I think everyone has missed the point. We are here to do a job....to create CivIII...NOT to put a bandaid on CIVII. The comment that all is going to be done for CivIII is to update the AI and a few other tweeks. If this is true im very upset. Id rather play CTP2 (acually it looks like CTP2 is doing the same thing but i have not played it so i dont know) My point is you can only help a game so much before you either have to make a new "next generation" keep the name (just like cars)or scrap the name entirely. Work on something new. If you guys dont do something different on this one to capture the stagnant game play on one and two strike three your out. Ironic really. A new AI is not going to intice me to buy civIII. If ppl like civII let them play civII, your job is to create the same theme but make it better hense the III. Better means incorporate enough of the old to keep the name, but also new to create the fact that your selling us a program that is NEW. Graphics are a big part in game play. However this is a game where a 3d map would be VERY time consuming to construct on a world level and thats all that matters. (ppl will upgrade to play a game they want..i have 3 times) So my oppinion is to update the graphics. FULL 2D ZOOM capible. While zooming in your fleet of two carriers and 3 submarines signafied on the main level map as ONE carrier with a number 5 signifying 5 units....close up the abillity to see the fleet. I know for normal game play most of us will lose this however when i get bored of the game play in general i like looking at the little things in the game such as this. That is all

It's not a bad idea and I STRONGLY AGREE with the above statement that OrionRed made in the "2D or 3D Animated Maps" thread. Yes, it seems as if almost all the members here want is nothing but a few measly tweaks. And if that is what you want, then you're not asking for an entirely new version of Civ; what you're asking for is merely a patch upgrade and that's it. That's all a few tweaks is worth, and that's NOT something I would be willing to spend money on! And I don't think a lot of other people here would either! We must push firaxis beyond the limits--and hell, we might not get there, but we will certainly get a hell of alot closer to it than we would if we just asked for a few measly tweaks! Trust me--keep holding things back and you'll be dissappointed by the time the game has been out for awhile and you've played it long enough; you'll be bored of it before you know it, wanting something more! And then you'll just be sitting around smacking yourself upside the face and hoping for a much bigger upgrade from Civ III to Civ IV.

Between these two extremes there is a lot of room to maneuver.

What's the option? All commies are micromanagers? Will Democracy civs run by humans lose the option to pick what a city produces? Isn't the commy govt advantages/disadvantages represented by the lack of corruption as distance from capital increases and an economic system that is better than Monarchy but worst that Republic/Democracy?

Are you talking about removing the player from making decisions even in a free market economy? As discussed on other threads there is a separation between governments and economics systems.

As I understand your post, I would say I'm against.

quote: What's the option? All commies are micromanagers? Will Democracy civs run by humans lose the option to pick what a city produces? Isn't the commy govt advantages/disadvantages represented by the lack of corruption as distance from capital increases and an economic system that is better than Monarchy but worst that Republic/Democracy?

Democracy civs will still get the option to pick what to build, but what I'm saying is that we can implant the self migrating population system under it.

quote: Are you talking about removing the player from making decisions even in a free market economy? As discussed on other threads there is a separation between governments and economics systems.

Planescape Torment has pulled it off brilliantly for RPGs, the game, story characters the feel of the game, the flow of the narrative, adapts perfectly naturally to your playing style without you ever noticing, not by carefull behind the scene balancing but due to the inheerent nature of the game.