2. Far Far more importantly, anything that would either cripple, kill, or relegate to a minor, trivial roll in the game, the blessed blessed camel. If I can't put Camels on my boats, why build boats? And if I have no peaceful way of using units other than settlers, why play civ? I'm sure that there are plenty of better war games out there.

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The camel is not a part of civ.

THE CAMEL IS CIV !!!!

2. No scenario editor. I must be able to make scenarios!!!

3. Anything based on a multi layered map, like TOT. That just sucked!!

4. KEY CHANGES!!!!! If any keys are change I'll be pissed!!!!!

2. Ban the roundabout sequential turn-by-turn scenario-editor in Civ-2/SMAC. Update it to a more powerful and faster click-and-paste editor instead.

3. "Anything based on a multi layered map, like TOT. That just sucked!!". Again, this is bullseye!!

I think that is it .

quote: 1. SMAC like 3d graphics that make the game slow beyond belief. I like SMAC, but it takes too long to play, and I can't even imagine trying to do it over the internet.

This was my king post. Very appropriate that it be in this forum.

By the way, Matthew, you're obvious in love with camels (4 threads?!). I say we get rid of them. Altogether.

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Apolyton Empress

"The entire sum of existence is the magic of being needed by just one person" -- Vi Putnam

quote: Originally posted by Empress on 10-26-2000 10:06 AM I would not buy Civ III if it was in Real Time...

Your Highness, our beloved Apolyton Queen, my insignificant opinion is exactly the same as Yours.

Your humble servant,
Lord Tiberius

quote: Originally posted by Empress on 10-26-2000 10:06 AM I would not buy Civ III if it was in Real Time or if the multiplaying capacity suxs like SMAC.

CIV ISN'T R E A L T I M E ! ! ! !

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- Biddles

- The *only* 3D-effect i could accept in Civ-3 would be some kind of 3D-reliefed map (still isometric view) with (very minor) elevated increments from deep ocean all the way to mountain. But thats about it.

- NO real-time (not even real-time battle window).
- NO clunky TOT-graphics.

And it should be laid out like this...

Map 1 ---- Map 2

Map 3 ---- Map 4

quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II on 10-28-2000 02:37 PM Ummm, I don't mean to go against the grain here, but I liked the multiple maps from TOT (from a scenario builder's point of view.) It was nice to be able to show Europe and the Pacific in a WWII scenario. It should be an option at least. I do, however, think that the maps should not be layered. And it should be laid out like this... Map 1 ---- Map 2 Map 3 ---- Map 4 Map 1-Map 2: Upper-right corner of Map 1 to upper-left of Map 2 Map 1-Map 4: Lower-right corner of Map 1 to upper-left corner of Map 4.... etc.

Well it would be nice in scenario makink for several parts of the world. But it's still too much management and not necessary in my mind!!!

I do like the relief map in the sense that it makes it possible to have desert, forest, grassland, etc on mountains.

Where I come from the only forests are in the mountains.

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The camel is not a part of civ.

THE CAMEL IS CIV !!!!

** Any "improvement" that makes me mircomanage trivial and repetative processes (and which only get worse deeper into the game) may well stop me from buying Civ3.

Oh, and let me throw this in: Why should I have to sit and stare at mind worms doing there thing for minutes on end? I could go with the idea of Planet erupting in worms, but to have to go and have a coffee before regaining control of the keyboard is inexcusable. In fact, I stopped playing SMAC after only about a two months for this and a few other mind-boggling blunders.

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- Biddles

-Is real-time

-If there are no camels!

-If you can terraform to the extent that SMAC allowed you to. Long live geographical determination!

-If preference is given to 'historical accuracy' or 'enhanced realism' or 'new and exiting ideas!' above a well-balanced, good flowing game! The implemention of too many of the zillion or so ideas, however good they may be in their own right, might kill that elusive Civ-feeling.

-If I can't wage war with elephants!

1. Fancy 3D graphics that slow down it.
2. Unit-mania

First SMAC graphic, they were crap.
Second No stacked combat.
and last no MODS or SCEN allouded.

You know that Hasbro does not support scenarios that why there was nothing in TOT?

graphics design issues:
1. Overcomplex, dark, blorry (or choppy) graphics (like SMAC, TOT)
2. Oversized units icons
3. The icons / interface shouldnt not be more than 256 palette colors and the Icons should just represent, not depict the exact actual unit, and no 3D rendering! (I love the ORIGINAL civ 2 icons!!!)
4. No lot's of crazy units colored like bozo the clown (CTP: warrior / samurai / etc.)
5. No very bright / very dark colors....

I want settlers AND public works all together. Maybe this could change with the social / govt.

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov on 11-04-2000 05:25 PM 3. The icons / interface shouldnt not be more than 256 palette colors and the Icons should just represent, not depict the exact actual unit, and no 3D rendering!

no more than 256 colors?
welcome to the HiColor age

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"Am Anfang war das Wort" - J.W. Goethe, "Faust"

quote: In fact, unless there are proper polygonal 3d graphics

3d- 3d ruined Populus 3 by making it run slow/ messed up graphics and require a high-end system!

quote: 3d- 3d ruined Populus 3 by making it run slow/ messed up graphics and require a high-end system

Please, don't mix cause and consequence. Lot of poster (myself included) sometime mix the two: of course they are related, but not always as firmly as we take for granted.

Darkcloud don't want messed up graphics, nor a slow down system that require high-end PC (but this is more a moving target, depending from a lot of facet: I can easily buy a new notebook PC with a fast CPU, not with a decent-still-affordable 3D graphic chipset, someone else can fork a bunch of dollars for a new one card and gain enough juice to its old Pentium II 300).

Someone else want easy customization for mod and fans scenario, but while they are easy as eating cake in 2D, still lot of work can be done "skinning" and making game level for "Quake like" real 3D games.

We should remember to draw a clear line about what we want / don't want about gameplay effects, leaving cause more on the hands of Firaxis.

Someone in business world should probably mention "vision" and "ability to implement": fans players as us must
usually concentrate on the former, Firaxis must keep care of the latter!

(BTW sorry Darkcloud, I quoted you just as an example, the concept is not targetted to someone specifically, of course )