1) Nuclaer Bomb, needs a bomber to carry it.

2) Normal Nuke, same as in the game.

3) ICBM, you know.

Also the level of damage should increase with technology, from just 1 square just after the Manhatten project. By the time you have reached the same state as today they should level a 2 or 3 square radius (the electromagnetic effect, see below) and even more pollution.

The it was calculated that the soviets could use three nuclear warheads detonated in the upper atmosphere to short out every circuit in the USA, but how you'd do this I don't know.

There's also the question of dropping a nuke from a plane, which you can't do in Civ 2 or SMAC. If the timeline goes into the 21st century, you can also have orbital weapons platforms that just drop a bomb into the gravity well.

I think nuclear weapons bring up several issues. First of all, they should be enormously more powerful then they are in civ2. This should represent the repeated uses of nukes in certain areas. For instance, a nuke hitting a city would represent a nuclear barrage targeting the military airfield in the area, the municipal airfield, the military base(s), and/or other important military areas. Rather then represent this as separate nuke units, the Civ3 nuke should represent a nuclear barrage.

For this reason, a nuke hitting a square should blow up one square for an early nuke (because only a few would be built as prototype technology), increasing as hydrogen and neutron bombs come into play. I think that later nuclear barrages should blow up circles with three-to-five square radii.

For this reason, the nuke unit should be vastly more expensive. A large empire should only be able to build a few nukes mainly because they are expensive. However, by the end, only a few nukes would be necessary to blow up the major production centers of an empire (and then create enough pollution to destroy the entire globe).

It's Little Boy and Fat Man.

Sounds like a super hero team.

The Brain

quote: Sounds like a super hero team.

Men at war have strange, macabre, sense of humor.

Back to the thread, I suppose Firaxis will use enhanced Units Workshop from SMAC, as jdlessl suggested.

I'm not sure if adding in CIV a lot of nuke weapons difference have any meaning.

I mean, apart from some tactical warhead exchange that USA / USSR considered as a realistic war scenario, I think that larger Mass destruction weapons (adding the whole NBC triade) are useful only to add a diplomatic sense of cold war, MAD menace.

I always underline that CIV series has a great strategic vision, changing it to a tactical wargame is not necessarly for good IMHO.

Also, I think that if you nuked another civ it should be an automatic and full scale retaliation, just like in real life.

But I would like to see the life scale of the nukes limited, since technology could be developed in the future to destroy nuclear missiles inflight, like the sdi defence, then the only way to nuke a city is to send a spy into enemy teritory and plant one in the city, hmm another interesting thought might be to add a unit to the game like "the terrorist unit" which would be able to plant nukes and maybe a little bit more. Hey what about the "Drug Dealer". Happiness could go up but production would go down. Lol

But how about the default unit designs for the nuke unit is just a plain old nuke. But for grizzled veterns like us , we can use the workshop to upgrade to a thermonuclear (ie H-bomb) from the "normal" uranium/plutonium bomb.

And also, maybe bombers can be upgraded (once again, only for the pros at the unit workshop, to keep away micromanagement from newbies), so that they can be put into a town, and have a command like build nuke missile. Then when the bomber is used to attack, it can have the option of dropping the nuke. This method would bypass and missile shields, SDI, etc, but would be subject to normal fighter vs bomber combat.

Ah, it's good to be back.

quote: Originally posted by UltraSonix on 07-21-2000 10:47 PM And also, maybe bombers can be upgraded (once again, only for the pros at the unit workshop, to keep away micromanagement from newbies), so that they can be put into a town, and have a command like build nuke missile. Then when the bomber is used to attack, it can have the option of dropping the nuke. This method would bypass and missile shields, SDI, etc, but would be subject to normal fighter vs bomber combat.

Hey, I like this idea.

I was always annoyed that the minute you have SDI, no nukes are possible except with spies, and then the whoe world declares war on you.

good job