Now giving each civ special powers like aoe 2 would be cool although again you run into this flaw of superior civs.

- Fundamentalist Units with a Fundamentalist Gov't
- Special abilities for spies under Communism

I never used either of these gov't types, though.

Still, depending on which civ you play, I think civ3 should provide some unique features for each civilization, just to make it more realistic. Maybe tech-tree for each civ should be slightly different too...

quote: Originally posted by Gord McLeod on 03-10-2000 02:12 AM I'm hoping Civ3 will get away from the Civ/Civ2 unit model... I'd rather see Civ3 have an evolution of the SMAC unit model, having a variety of base unit types that can be designed and enhanced with the aquisition of technologies.

I'd liked to see both civ-specific unit and unit workshop. So how can we compromise the ideas into one?

I'm quite a fan of "unit workshop" since I played MOO1,MOO2 but I was little bit disappointed by SMAC workshop. Why? though MOO2 was released earlier, it had better unit workshop than SMAC since it can also afford empire-specific unit graphic!

Even if I had a spaceship which has exactly same hull and weapon system with other ships that belong to other empires, my ship looked different from other empires' ship.

What I'm trying to say is that when we make a spearmen unit from CIVIII unit workshop,the unit made by European civs should look different from those of Asian civs.

This could be done with same game concept from MOO2. So each civ may have different unit icon archives like clothes shop and as the era comes close to modern they may become look similar.

I agree. I've said my bit about this in a few places before, so I won't go into it too much here, but I think giving civs specific advantages is a bad idea. Why? Because it always means that some start better than others, no matter how designers might try to balance it.

Besides, we're starting from the very beginning of civilization. All civs should be starting equal! If they are to gain advantages over other civs, it should be because they live in a certain terrain, or because they've lived under a certain government or leadership style. If this is how they gain their advantages and unique units, then I'm all for it.

It's not just a simple matter of saying, "Romans get Phalanxes, Japanese get Samurai".

Nothing should be pre-determined!

A civ should should evolve to what it becomes, not have it dictated from the beginning.

quote: Now giving each civ special powers like aoe 2 would be cool although again you run into this flaw of superior civs.

I Agree War4ever & Midknight Lament

quote: I guess civ is best the way it is.... ie everyone can build things evenly

Once again I agree

But aren't you little bit sick to see your Trireme or Legion units look the same as other civs'units?

That's why we need to have different unit icons for different civs which can be civ specific.

CivII already has different city icons for Ancient age and I liked that. There are no special bonus nor disadvantages involved in it.

If you have played MOO2 before you would know what I'm saying(I'm not saying that racial bonus thing here but different unit icon archives)

But yeah, I think it's best if you don't give them varying attributes just because you choose a civ at the start. Make the player earn them.

I think government specific untis would be nice:

democracy: National guard
communism: bolsheviks
nazism: Storm troops
pascism: black shirts
republic: uhm... I'm not sure
monarchy: royal guards

they would act as police: you stack them in citys to prevent \ stop riots and to depress unhappy people (martial law, don't you just love it?).

Have you really played MOO/MOO2 before?

We can see enemy units if we have right scanning technology or a scout unit on enemy planet without necessarily going into battles.

2) atahualpa, I agree. a major problem once with the workshop is once you got the hang of it, the game would create zillions of useless unit types that are only good as obsolete museum exhibits.

3) I think no civ should start really diffeerent. only graphics different. in smac, basically the best civ is gaians (+ effic. +1 growth) and then spartans, peacekeepers and morgan. everybody else suck ass. How can I control a nation which doesn't have a + 5 police value and has - 3 probe and - 3 tech? In AOK same problem: Persians are best (elephants). teutons are 2nd. Vikings are best for sea. every one else don't come close.

quote: Originally posted by Youngsun on 03-18-2000 11:03 AM Urban Ranger Have you really played MOO/MOO2 before? We can see enemy units if we have right scanning technology or a scout unit on enemy planet without necessarily going into battles. After I got many advanced scanning techs I could see all the enemy units every turn and would you say that is temporary? [This message has been edited by Youngsun (edited March 18, 2000).]

Yes, I have played MoO extensively and MoO2 not so extensively.

Were you talking about defense facilities such as missile launchers?

The way I'd like to see this put in place is for units to have terrain-speeds.

For example; an alpine troops would be fast on tundra and mountains, but slow on grasslands. While a horsmen could be fastest on plains but pretty slow on glaciers(or maybe just wouldn't be able to get through).