But I had never even made it to turn 75 - more like turn 60 - until I did the dirty on the script file. Now I reach the turn 75 problem but without the stomping around.

Still much better stuff now where there's no chance of getting lucky and putting two AI civs out of the game before 3000BC now that there's the home guard out to hold the home front. Even if we can't get to the stage where we would have done the pesky little b*st*rds anyhow.

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One other point though, Dale's Diplomacy Mod is designed to improve the AI diplomacy - Very good idea!!!

But there is another area of the game where CTPII has improved on CTP but seems to have given ALL the advantages to the human players. Don't tell me that you haven't done the same but you wander along to a new city at the early stages of the game and say to yourself - "Well let's see". If you get lucky you win a free city while, if not - you can always retreat when you see your lone warrior faced against a stack of five samurai and archers. If I knew where to look I'd start lloking for ways to work on this while you guys are working on the serious stuff

There's just too many problems with break agreements (both the script in MM2 and the normal diplomacy mod script) so I've decided to cancel it. If you have no problems with break agreements, just simply don't update.

All I can add here is that the message that the Native Americans are racing to build the Temple of Karnak is the last thing I see before the game sticks. That and the 30 times or so that the TryMilitia error has dumped me out of the game between one and three times before the inevitable conclusion.

And reloading the autosave gives me exactly the same problem.

Please let me know when you have updated these things. I deleted all of the files that have to do with the "Industrial age" thing like you suggeested.

Thanks

Note: I got Richard's email 20 min. too late, and had to upload another version of the texts with the pop.txt fix. Now you will need to use modswapper to load and save the original game, then load the Med Pack again in order to include the pop.txt in the mod.

I play-tested the game this evening, and the glitch is gone, and I had no other problems.
Please try trading militia upgrade advances to see if the trigger works correctly when that event occurs. Also try and notice if it works if the advance is stolen.
The code is in place to remove improvements from build lists if a Wonder is built which grants that improvement to every city, though I have not tested it yet.
Basically, I was having so much fun playing the game, I thought I would go ahead and post the update, and work out any trigger problems later. At least there should not be any bugs this time.
Thanks to everyone who reported on the beta so far. I think I have corrected all the text inaccuracies reported by you.

Other than filling in the wonder unit values, I gave each unit the "build only one" flag which settlers have. This means that cities will no longer make multiple units after building the one you give it in the queue.

Several text glitches were corrected. Please report anything you see that is inaccurate.
Don't forget to go over the Main and Triggers readmes again.

I happened to be playing the game last night with the new text, and everything seems to work well.

The only problem I see now is that when you build Stone Henge (If I spelled it correctly) an error comes up saying it can't locate the stone henge.tga I have looked in the area and the .tga file is there.

Any Suggestions?

I have plans to use CityMod in the Med pack. I am waiting until we get the basics down before I start on the extras like CityMod, though.

In object mm2_getage, function_hasAdvance: referened playeris not in game
\scenario.slc:183:array index 254544386 out of bounds

The out of bounds array index will change to 4 or 5 differnt ones. Militia and advance every time.

I will be able to continue the game after hitting ok. they will come up 2 or 3 time per turn.

I don't know what I did wrong but sure could use some help.

I was playing again and noticed that the cannon's don't make any noises untill they get destroyed, but nothing when they fire. and I also noticed that when I get bombarded by other players they loose there cannons'and also that when I bo,bard someone, they don't do any damage.

Thanks,

My name is Herb by the way.

I don't know if it makes a difference, but Windows 2000 is business oriented, I have Windows ME and I don't have a problem.

I saw that earlier someone had a problem with a slc error. I read into it and I think it had to do with using more then 6 Players. SO I had been using 6, but today, after I built the Stone Henge I got a slc Err0r statin "In object MM2_TryMilitia, variables 'MM2_TryMilitia#tmpLoc' and 'noname' are different types." Ok I thought that had to do with using more then 6 players. I did notice that the Babarians had captured several cities of another civilization, could that cause the program to think of them as a 7th Civilization?

"In object MM2_TryMilitia, variables 'MM2_TryMilitia#tmpLoc' and 'noname' are different types."

quote: Originally posted by Locutus on 03-16-2001 05:13 AM Quick note for everyone who's been having those annoying TryMilitia and similar problems: set DebugSLIC to No in ctp2_program\ctp\userprofile.txt and your problems should disappear like snow for the sun.

This is how you correct the TryMilitia and Noname problems.

I checked out the problem with the cannon picture, and somehow the pic's name got changed from UPUP117L to UPUP117C between my personal files and the zip files. I will include the corrected pic in the next text update. In the meantime, everyone needs to go into the default\gamedata\graphics\pictures folder and re-name the pic to UPUP117L.

In other news, I have made some slight adjustments to the advances chart so that Mechanical Power, which enables Siege Engines, is not available immediately after Geometry, which enables Catapults. Thanks for pointing out this oversight.

"We cannot afford to support so many military units, sir. If you end your turn now, our military leaders will be forced to disband units. Would you like to end your turn?" Options here are "Yes", "No", and "Don't show this message again".

Why am I the only one with bug reports on late game? hehe everyone else is early

I finally had time to test the beta(the 15th march version). I do have AMD K6-2 300Mhz. AI_TOTAL_TIME_SLICE is set to 75000. And I have to say that maybe some of these subjects are covered elsewhere.

So... where should I began(I have many things written to the paper ).

Computer stucking:
In 3610BC computer stucked first time. I hit the enter key to end my turn. AI player colors starts to blink below the year(this is normal, I just can not figure out the better explanation, sorry). After 4 or 5 ai -players computer stucked(I did not get seconds this time (maybe this was over half minute?)). Finally stucking ended and game continued. Next time in 3220BC. Stucking again. This time it lasted about 25 seconds. There were no other stuckings from AI -players in this game. But ruins. When I wound ruins and there were money there were no stucking. When I wound new advances there were about 10 seconds stuck. And new troops gave me about 20 seconds stuck. So maybe AI -players' stuckings come from the ruins(I know, I know, someone said this before) but the AI -stuck seconds does not match with my ruins stucking seconds.

Barbarians:
In about 1780BC I had only one city. My troops were discovering other places and were coming back home. There were one barbarian fortified 2 squares from my cityborder(9 squares in city this time). Why was that barbarian unit there? Sitting stupidly

In 610AD I got map from russians. And woohoo!! There were at least 3 barbarian cities(2 of them were close together and the third were far away). And About half of the map were still black. So this says to me that barbarians are much much better than they used to be. Good.

Militia:
I only got militia(spearmen) to my capitol. After that when I discovered or captured new cities there were no militias Bug???

And when I discovered the tegnology that gives me phalanx, I suppose that this teghnology obsoletes spearmen and my only spearmen militia disappeared!!! I did not get more militias. Sad.

Odd map:
I usually play with minimized map. I changed one time a map with AI-player(orange) at the "beginning" of the game. In 205BC I checked the map and woohoo that was odd. I had one city far far away visible(9 squares) and other place there were a little bigger place visible but there were no city. I can not figure out how I or orange player did got map of those areas. Those areas were only little mappieces and arounbd them there were only black squares. ODD!

Technologies:
I played to the 650AD. Aren't the technologies too much military technologies? I mean that I only have built bazaar, courthouse, aqueduct, waht was that ancient food silo. And maybe few other. But it seems that usually All I can build is troops because there is no meaningful buildings available. I know that this depends from what technologies I have discovered but I am not much below others in technology. I would like to have allmost all the time more buildings available to build so that I do not have to build more and more troops. But this was my first medmod game so it might be that this "no buildings available" happened only to me and only in this game. "No buildings available" happened mostly around 600AD. Not much before(of course there were few times few turns when I had only troops available to build).

Ruins:
In 305AD I was walking to Ai -city Paris. And there were ruins in 3 squares from the paris. The AI could not be so stupid that he had not discovered that?!?!? In 305AD and 3 sqares from capital. There were money in ruins so that was not a bad ruins.

Stupid Orange:
Orange had Populist Zealot(can someone tell me what that does mean?!?!) personality. First of all. First we lived together without argues. Then he discovered slaver and had built one noble. He first took one slave from me. I saw the noble coming. When the noble was next to my city he packed noble and slaver to the same unit(what was the word of many units in pack ? ). There were number two visible next to noble so I knew there were the slaver too. Then he declared war and took other slave. And after that I killed those troops. So we had the war.

I was the last in military power. I was little poorer than this orange guy. I took troops(2 archer, 2 spearmen and 2 swordmen) and walked to his city. I won. I don't remember were there troops in his 1st city. Next city were his capital. I walked there too and there were 6 or something troops in defence. I beated those too.

I waited few(means over 20) turns and decided to walk to his next city. First I had noble that walked next to his city. And stayed there about 7 turns. So why didn't he killed the noble? I took my troops there in 7 turns and I marched to the city. EMPTY! No troops there! And I gave him a warnig(in form of noble) 7 turns before. Stupidity again!

By the way there is a picture of fort next to my cities' name when I have troops in that city. Should I see same kind of picture in enemies city? I do not remember. But I hope I should not see that(and I did not see that picture in this city I just got and no picture in next city too).

Ok. 2 cities left. First one was just established because it was level 1 vity. No troops there. That is ok if that really were just estalbished. And the last city. I gave him again a warning in form of noble My noble was next to that city 3 turns. Why didn't he kill the noble??? After 3 turens my troops arrived and there were 2 archers against my troops. I took the city.

I never saw any of his(except noble and slaver) troops attacking against me. So why did he declare war?!?! Stupidity.

This orange player seemed a lot as an old ctp2 player. No any kind of superior artificial intelligence here. Of course some AI's can be stupid This was the first I saw in my first medmod game.

So I had many thigs here... I hope this helps even a little wes or dale or someone to improve mod.

Been a while since my last post, tried to play a game to the end for once, I never ever built one kraken until now...they rule

Anyways....I've always been a little hesitant to install the MedMod since everyone is having so many probs with it.
But now it's beta and all the glitches should be out I thought well lets try it if it's so damn good !

So I started with 8 civ, very hard en huge map....not that huge actually but still.....

First thing I noticed by the way in my installation process is that it overwrites a picture file of the original.....AND NOW ALL MY CITIES HAVE TURNED INTO CASTLES.....I'M IN 2368 AD with castles......

This same picture I have when I start a medmod game.... NO militia errors thank god !
The library sucks....what the hell does temple of karnak do...library not working kinda sucks sometimes if you want to know what something is !
But anyways....Why does it take my city 74 TURNS to build a settler and 56 turns to discover.
Don't think that I don't have patience but THIS LONG....so to be honoust.... I quit after 20 turns...It's going slow.....so slow that it's not fun anymore.
In a normal game it takes about 15 turns for a settler !

Ok your right I don't have patience I KNOW I KNOW ..... but I'm a very busy person who can't play for three days straight !

Well that's my impression so far...If you tell me how to make the library work maybe I can help !
I'll try to play beyond 20 turns soon !

But all in all it's great mod....beautifull units and a lot of them can't wait to be able to build them....will take me at least three years

quote: But anyways....Why does it take my city 74 TURNS to build a settler and 56 turns to discover.

I detected too that troops takes a longer to complete. Especially settlers. But it was about 25-35 turs in my game I am not sure but maybe this was somehow explained in manuals and maybe this is a good decision. 25-35 turns for settler is not too much for me if that for example simulates the "slower" start.

quote: Ok your right I don't have patience I KNOW I KNOW ..... but I'm a very busy person who can't play for three days straight ! But all in all it's great mod....beautifull units and a lot of them can't wait to be able to build them....will take me at least three years

MM2_scenario.slc :359: Symbol globalValue is undefined
MM2_scenario.slc :359: Symbol globalValue used in assignment has unknown type

MM2_scenario.slc :360: Symbol GlobalCity is undefined
MM2_scenario.slc :360: Symbol GlobalCity used in assignment has unknown type

The errors occur as you boot up the game.

Any help????