quote: Originally posted by OmniGod on 01-31-2001 10:50 PM The final is posted now. I couldn't believe the treaty image... I almost fell off my chair. Great work Dale, the game is a billion (that's a British billion) times better than the shipped version. Hope to see some more work from you if it peaks your interest. Rich

Peace treaty? I hope that was sarcasm.

quote: Originally posted by MR. SADDAM on 02-01-2001 12:35 AM Hey ya AI did that too........Theve always been @$$es to me too.I think they too nice tho.I asked for there capitol and they gave it to me......Then i just built up in the center of there CIV.And i dont care what kind of mods you guys come out with the AI will always Fortify near your capitol, Use your Roads , and send settlers into your borders.........no diplomod can fix that

I take it you haven't tried the last two versions of diplomod. AI WILL be booted if you get a withdraw agreement out of 'em. Settlers 'n all!

I have never been offered a treaty from an AI till last night. Cease-fires by the barrel loads, but nothing higher.

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

What I'm curious about is, I have frenzy AI 1.04 installed along with the Diplomod 3.1, in earlier version of diplomod you had special routines built in to deal with the frenzyAI, but hows this now, will the 2 mods peacefully coexist or will one beat the other ?

Oh and maybe this is the wrong place and all but ehmm, I installed the Altsci mod...great mod btw, but after that I installed your diplomod 3.1 and if I open a savegame of the AltSci mod I made before the 3.1 implementation, it crashed saying that it can't find a sprite file in it's asset tree.

Yeah definitely, I've had peace treaties before in the unmodified game. All I needed to do was be nice to them, lavish them with gold, etc. It was mainly "diplomacy-minded peacemakers" that proposed to me. But I honestly have had that before.

What you've done so far is fantastic. But I do have some more suggestions and comments! Please read 'em.

1. I've been playing the latest version and the AI is a lot more cautious earlier in the game. Well done.

2. I love the way you've rewritten the break agreements back into the game!

3. Is there any way you could rewrite the other options Activision left out at the last minute, like asking the AI to mount troops at a specific city, the annual gold payment thing or asking the AI to stop trading with other civs, etc? Also, is it possible for an AI civ to create a trade embargo against the human?

4. There is a bug--it is possible to trade tech without an embassy. I'm sure this could easily be fixed?

David:
The coding is IN there for an AI to create an alliance and threaten ya, but as to if it'll use it........ *shrug*

1 - That was one of my goals. Make it more cautious at the start. It used to be too easy to get anything at the start of the game.

2 - Thanks. The code was still in there, so it was as simple as taking out 2 "Disabled" statements in diplomacyproposal.txt

3 - They took out the hardcoding of these routines. I reinstated some of the extra threats in diplomacythreat.txt and all I got was garbled msgs and crashes. It woulda been nice to have some of them back (included tributes, amassing troops, and others).

4 - Didn't realise I'd enabled that without embassy...... Hmmmm...... But here's the fix for it.

a - Open diplomacyproposal.txt
b - Find PROPOSAL_OFFER_GIVE_ADVANCE & PROPOSAL_REQUEST_GIVE_ADVANCE.
c - At the bottom of each make it look like this:

code:

---

    DetailsEx3 { DetailsEven DIP_DETAILS_OFFER_GIVE_ADVANCE_EX_3 }
    DetailsEx4 { DetailsEven DIP_DETAILS_OFFER_GIVE_ADVANCE_EX_4 }
    HasEmbassy
    Image "updi01.tga"
}

---

Personally, I like it this way.

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

quote: David: The coding is IN there for an AI to create an alliance and threaten ya, but as to if it'll use it........ *shrug*

I will playtest extensively and see what happens, as I'm sure many others will now you've given the game a new lease of life.

quote: 2 - Thanks. The code was still in there, so it was as simple as taking out 2 "Disabled" statements in diplomacyproposal.txt

Hmmm...I wonder why Activision disabled that. ???

quote: 3 - They took out the hardcoding of these routines. I reinstated some of the extra threats in diplomacythreat.txt and all I got was garbled msgs and crashes. It woulda been nice to have some of them back (included tributes, amassing troops, and others).

Damn, that's sucky. Perhaps they realized that the AI they'd created was too useless to follow through with their enhanced diplomatic options so just got rid of them....

Take a look at this. http://members.aol.com/davidwamurray/ummm.jpg

ummmm........

That's a good one.

a) Remember that this proposal event was canned by Activision. Maybe this is why? If anyone from Activision happens to wander by, is this why break agreements got canned?

b) The other thing I can think of is you had an agreement with the Poms and they didn't want to have it anymore and requested you to break it and take the regard hit? *shrug* Dunno. Just blabbing here.

Bottom line: That one won't be fixable.

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

Look at this: (yet another screenshot ) http://members.aol.com/davidwamurray/invasion.jpg

I wouldn't be experiencing this normally. It's great, because I genuinely feel like I'm up against it now. And that's without frenzy.

I've had nothing but grief with the AI making demands and invading my turf.

code:

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HandleEvent(BeginTurn) 'FAI_FRENZY_ADDON setup' pre {
	DisableTrigger('FAI_FRENZY level');
	DisableTrigger('FAI_FRENZY_ADDON setup');
}
HandleEvent(BeginTurn) 'FAI_FRENZY_ADDON everyturn' pre {
	if (!IsHumanPlayer(player[0]) && FAI_INIT == 1000) {
		if (FAI_FRENZY != 4) {
			if (!HasAgreement(player[0], FAI_HumanNumber, 32) && !HasAgreement(player[0], FAI_HumanNumber, 33) && !HasAgreement(player[0], FAI_HumanNumber, 38)) {
				if (FAI_FRENZY == -1) {
					FAI_FRENZY = 4;
				} elseif (FAI_HateLevel[player[0]] >= FAI_HATE4_COEF) {
					FAI_FRENZY = 4;
				} elseif (FAI_HateLevel[player[0]] >= FAI_HATE3_COEF) {
					FAI_FRENZY = 3;
				} elseif (FAI_HateLevel[player[0]] >= FAI_HATE2_COEF) {
					FAI_FRENZY = 2;
				} elseif (FAI_HateLevel[player[0]] >= FAI_HATE1_COEF) {
					FAI_FRENZY = 1;
				}
			} elseif (FAI_FRENZY != -1) {
				FAI_FRENZY = 0;
			}
		} elseif (HasAgreement(player[0], FAI_HumanNumber, 38)) {
			FAI_FRENZY = -1;
		} elseif (HasAgreement(player[0], FAI_HumanNumber, 32)) {
			if (random(100) < 90) {
				FAI_FRENZY = -1;
			}
		} elseif (HasAgreement(player[0], FAI_HumanNumber, 33)) {
			if (random(100) < 50) {
				FAI_FRENZY = -1;
			}
		}
	}
}

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

Great work man, the AI is crazy about each other !

But like always I have some problems and I think they are Diplomod related.
I never have any crashes or errors in an ordinary game, I do have em in Mods but that's life
Now, I installed your mod to be run with any normal game en thus I should have no errors, wrong, I've had 2 crashes to the desktop with no message and on 2 occasions the program returned to the desktop gave a weird message and returned to the game and I could continue.

The messages I got were really wierdand seemed to come from inside the game, not a text file or script, because it states the line with the error, It didn't know !
I wish I wrote down the error message but I didn't !!!
Is this diplomod related or what ?

SLIC ERROR

D:\CTP2\...\withdraw.slc:50: No function named GetAgreementDuration

anything u can do with that???

Others:
As to the desktop crash, I have no ideas. I've never had a crash (ran all the way through games a few times now). Tell me the actual specifics of what's transpired recently. Eg. "I made a withdraw agreement 5 turns ago and it crashed on the 5th turn for that civ." Things like that. That'll make it easier to find in the code. Also, if any line-numbers are mentioned, definitely get the line-number and error.

Thanks

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

Hi Dale!

I think, the bug is in your Whithdraw mod. I usually play medium/small games so there's been some situations when my coutry is full of the other civ's settlers. I think when the mod want one unit to withdraw, there's no problem. But when 2 or 3 "notorius" unit -the same time- violate the borders again, (! they always wants back into my territory !) then the program crash to the desktop.

The non plus ultra is when i try to attack some of them: The program crash!

So the only solution is to declare war everyone which I made agreement? Brrr... So i please try to fix it, because it's Great mod anyway!

Thx Hydaspont

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

Ok here goes, I've played till 2145 now and this are my findings.
- Diplomacy is good, but I don't hear from any of the civs in a decade but the 11th turn they all come banging at my door for advances. All at once, once this is over I don't hear from them for another 10 turns ! This strikes me as odd !

- Crash to desktop with error message ! I installed diplomod 3.2 loaded a savegame and reloaded the SLIC, normally this should work fine, but I pressed end turn and this is what I got : IN OBJECT : DIP_MAINROUTINE value out of bounds ! ???
Also the scots asked me for an advance that turns wich I countered with a advance request !
Does this help you ?

- Maybe not your mods fault, but I have one unit constantly walking in and out of my city, just one, but fortifying doesn't help it just walks !

-And last but not least, England calles me for an advance and at the same time an alliance but first I must break all ties with.......ENGLAND uhmm

Well thats it..I didn't update to the new withdraw script yet but I still had no crashes...THank god !

Hope I will be able to play a full game for the 1st time

Huys:
The 10 turn diplomacy must be just how the game's going. There's nothing random/forced about a ten turn thing. If anything, the forcing would make it every turn that I put in, but it only 'considers' each turn, not 'makes'. I've had CTP2 crash on me when I've made a change to the script and done /reloadslic. Unfortunately it's just one of those things. That's a new game thing. It's like Activision says: "No support for save games under the previous version." Is the wandering unit yours or an AI's? How'd you lose control of him? With break agreements, you must remember I re-enabled this. The fact that a civ can request breaking it's own ties may be why Activision disabled it. Just out of curiosity, did they request the alliance or you? Also, did you have any other agreements like trade or mil or science? My thoughts are that the AI didn't want the sci/mil/trade agreement (hence break agreement) but still wanted the alliance.

New user here, just got CTP2 and after playing for quite a while noticed that something's not quite kosher - er, that is the AI seems to be nonexistent. Not only does it (still) want me to leave its borders, it continuously invades mine, never agrees to any proposals (I particularly like the map exchanging one where, one turn later it comes back at me with the exact same proposal), etc etc.

Since I'm a bit scared of the Frenzy mod , I figured I'd try out the Diplomod first, found your page and got ver 3.2.

Works very well! I'm quite impressed with some of your tweaks and whatnot, and disgusted at Activision for not putting in the effort to even make some patches to fix these obviously glaring problems...hooray for the mod community!

However. My "Messages" window has ceased to function. All the messages in there are now of this variety:

: {Player[0].sir}, we cannot support this many units!
! Warrior
: Citizen unrest
: This needs to be hooked up to the Great Library

All of them coming from I'm not sure where, since they don't seem to apply to anything (for example, I don't think I have any warriors in 2050 AD ...some sort of debugging statements? And some of those game messages were useful (mainly by telling me where the building Queue ran out)...is there a way to put them back, and *hide* the debugging stuff?

Cheers,

After loading a saved game for the first time after a mod install, follow this:

1 - press ' (apostraphy)
2 - type /reloadslic
3 - press Enter twice

This causes the scripts to refresh/reload. This may corrupt your game meaning you'll have to start a new game, but it's the only way to fix your problem.

1 - Unzip files to Call to Power 2 install directory.
2 - Open: ctp2_data\default\gamedata\script.slc in notepad.
3 - Delete from bottom of file:
#include "diplomacy.slc"
4 - Add the following lines to bottom of file:
#include "withdraw.slc"
#include "diplomod.slc"
5 - Open: ctp2_data\english\gamedata\strings.txt
6 - Add the following line to bottom of file:
import "diplomod_str.txt"
7 - PLAY!

Might want to include that step you've mentioned... :P

I also changed the SpecialUnitsCount like you suggest in the readme - looking forward to try it out.

Do I have to do this final step every time I start a new game?

Thanks again!

EG. Game 1 started before you install the diplomacy mod. After installing the mod you want to continue that game. You load the game then do the /reloadslic steps from above. You save the game again after playing for a while. You want to continue the next session a few days later. You load the game and do nothing.

EG. Game 2 started after installing the diplomacy mod. You save the game. A few days later you want to continue game 2. You load the game and do nothing.

There's quite a few threads that have gone through discussing this. Do a search on "reloadslic" to find them for more info.