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Sirotnikov


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posted April 10, 2001 18:46   Click Here to See the Profile for SirotnikovClick Here to Email Sirotnikov Visit Sirotnikov's Homepage!
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You know we could play the perfect game, 7 teams of 3 in hotseat, but, A. it would be too easy to cheat. B. we wouldn't see opponents attacks.
C. we would know about opponents attacks as they would have to vote over attacks on these public forums . We could do it covertly but then the fun is less. THe idea is os everybody see everything.

As to claims about competition, I know. I think it'll spice up the game and that's how it also often works in real life. We'll see.

So:

  • Taurus
  • Eli
  • Deity Dude
  • rixxe
  • Sirotnikov

    Cool.
    Now we have the bloody job of voting for leaders.
    One can't vote for himself.
    And yes I see it is unfair as 3 of us live near by, and 2 are best of friends. However I am pretty sure of my skills. And I'm also sure of Taurus's. So I nominate Taurus for King.

    Note: Elections will be held. Onfortunately he can't really oppose it. No secret police and stuff
    Though he could as a leader lower happyness, build a happy wonder / improvement in the capital (his control) and have us begging for mercy

    Oh, wait, was I showing how cruel I am???

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    posted April 10, 2001 18:55   Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusClick Here to Email Taurus Visit Taurus's Homepage!
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    I don't know about Deity Duke or Rixxe, but Siro is better than Eli.

    So I vote for him.

    Eli


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    posted April 10, 2001 18:57   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    So in what style we decided to play?

    The hotseat, my original proposal, or other?


    Btw, dont vote for me.

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    "The length of a minute depends on which side of the toilet door you're on"

    Taurus


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    posted April 10, 2001 19:10   Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusClick Here to Email Taurus Visit Taurus's Homepage!
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    I think it's your proposal.

    Btw, what will be our general playing style? ICS?

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    "But as time goes on, they, as all men, will find that independence was not made for man - that it is an unnatural state - will do for a while, but will not carry us on safely to the end..." Aldous Huxley in "Brave New World"

    Eli


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    posted April 11, 2001 07:21   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    Depends on the map we choose to play on.


    If it's some giga map that we will have to use ICS in the early ears, but I think we should start the first game on a small or normal map.

    rixxe


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    posted April 11, 2001 14:14   Click Here to See the Profile for rixxeClick Here to Email rixxe Visit rixxe's Homepage!
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    MMmmm, I don't vote, as I've never played anyone of you,...

    BTW, what's everybody availability to play?

    I can play from 7:30pm to 0:00 (monday to friday) and generally from 1:00pm to 6:00pm (week-end) (GMT+1)

    Eli


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    posted April 11, 2001 14:29   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    Btw, what does it matter what hours can we play?


    The whole point is dicussing on the forums the next moves. We dont have to be online in the same hours...

    Taurus


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    posted April 11, 2001 15:49   Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusClick Here to Email Taurus Visit Taurus's Homepage!
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    As Eli wrote, I don't know why I'm posting this, but what the heck.

    My hours are mostly 22:00-24:00 (GMT + 2) - sometimes I get in different hours, but mostly those ones.

    Deity Dude


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    posted April 12, 2001 11:37   Click Here to See the Profile for Deity DudeClick Here to Email Deity Dude Visit Deity Dude's Homepage!
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    I have never played with any of the players so I have no way of voting for leader. What might be important is knowing each players style of play and putting people with similiar styles on teams.

    My thought would be sort of a competetion. Maybe ICS'ers vs Perfectionists (for an extreme example). Both teams plays the same game with the same civ concurrently. This would serve 2 purposes: 1) Competetion between the 2 teams 2) Real life games for newcomers to watch and ask questions about.

    As for available times, I agree I dont think its necessary, but im available most weeknights 9pm - 2am Eastern Time Zone.

    Another idea to speed it up a little: Maybe we could do four or five moves at a time via an IM package and post summaries here.

    Eli


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    posted April 12, 2001 12:12   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    quote:

    Originally posted by Deity Dude on 04-12-2001 11:37 AM
    Another idea to speed it up a little: Maybe we could do four or five moves at a time via an IM package and post summaries here.


    It will take too much time from our "internet time".

    I think we should start the first game on a small map, and use only the forums. Yes, such game will take lots of time, but we dont need to hurry.

    It seems to me that these games will be the preparations for identical civ3 games, which will be faster because we already gained the expirience.

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    "The length of a minute depends on which side of the toilet door you're on"

    Taurus


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    posted April 12, 2001 17:12   Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusClick Here to Email Taurus Visit Taurus's Homepage!
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    Well, Eli. I guess this means that your vote is the vote that will make Siro or me the leader of our team.

    So, who will it be, Siro or me?

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    Eli


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    posted April 12, 2001 17:15   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    Taurus
    Taurus


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    posted April 13, 2001 09:56   Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusClick Here to Email Taurus Visit Taurus's Homepage!
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    Yey ! It means that I get to be supreme leader !

    Another step towards my way to world domination...

    Hey... Sorry... You never heard that.


    So when are we starting?

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    Eli


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    posted April 13, 2001 14:19   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    Ok, we're 5 and this is good.

    If we'll have to vote, you cannot abstain, that's how one side will always win.


    I suggest Deity,7,RH,Small map.

    Taurus


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    posted April 13, 2001 17:09   Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusClick Here to Email Taurus Visit Taurus's Homepage!
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    quote:

    Originally posted by Eli on 04-13-2001 02:19 PM
    Ok, we're 5 and this is good.

    If we'll have to vote, you cannot abstain, that's how one side will always win.


    I suggest Deity,7,RH,Small map.

    Do I start it?

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    Eli


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    posted April 13, 2001 17:24   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    No.

    I start it because this is my idea.


    But let's wait, maybe there are other suggestions.

    Boney


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    posted April 14, 2001 04:17   Click Here to See the Profile for BoneyClick Here to Email Boney Visit Boney's Homepage!
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    Hi
    I have been away from home, butI think it is great that you guys are finally getting this off the ground. Only thing needed now is to organise how novices can access the map and info to see what is happening. I am not a computer boffin, maybe this is all basic stuff. would it be possible for me to get the same map and starting point so that I can compare my own game. As to everything else, I live in Thailand, would this pose problems for me getting involved?

    I do like Deiy Dudes comment "My thought would be sort of a competetion. Maybe ICS'ers vs Perfectionists (for an extreme example). Both teams plays the same game with the same civ concurrently. This would serve 2 purposes: 1) Competetion between the 2 teams 2) Real life games for newcomers to watch and ask questions about."
    Is this at all possible?


    Eli


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    posted April 14, 2001 05:38   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    quote:

    I have been away from home, butI think it is great that you guys are finally getting this off the ground. Only thing needed now is to organise how novices can access the map and info to see what is happening. I am not a computer boffin, maybe this is all basic stuff. would it be possible for me to get the same map and starting point so that I can compare my own game. As to everything else, I live in Thailand, would this pose problems for me getting involved?

    Before every move the team leader uploads the savegame for everyone(not only the team members) to see and make suggestions.

    quote:

    I do like Deiy Dudes comment "My thought would be sort of a competetion. Maybe ICS'ers vs Perfectionists (for an extreme example). Both teams plays the same game with the same civ concurrently. This would serve 2 purposes: 1) Competetion between the 2 teams 2) Real life games for newcomers to watch and ask questions about."
    Is this at all possible?

    If we get more players we can divide ourselves to such groups.

    rixxe


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    posted April 15, 2001 07:20   Click Here to See the Profile for rixxeClick Here to Email rixxe Visit rixxe's Homepage!
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    So when will you start this game Eli...I've been pretty busy these last days, but now I'll be fully available
    [This message has been edited by rixxe (edited April 15, 2001).]
    Eli


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    posted April 15, 2001 07:30   Click Here to See the Profile for EliClick Here to Email Eli Visit Eli's Homepage!
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    I dunno, is there something left to discuss?
    rixxe


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    posted April 17, 2001 08:20   Click Here to See the Profile for rixxeClick Here to Email rixxe Visit rixxe's Homepage!
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    bump!
    Deity Dude


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    posted April 17, 2001 12:52   Click Here to See the Profile for Deity DudeClick Here to Email Deity Dude Visit Deity Dude's Homepage!
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    I was out of town for Easter so I missed a few posts. I agree that we are in no hurry and I will go along with what everyone thinks but, do we really want to discuss every turn OR just relevant ones. Do we convene to disuss hitting the enter key? Also, in the later parts of the game we might want to have more than 1 discussion per turn (i.e. surprise landing by enemy troops - unexpected diplomatic situation - and about 100 other situations where we could convene prior to the turn, come up with a gameplan and then need to reconvene due to unexpected circumstances.)

    IMHO we should convene and give the leader a plan and then let him play and save the game when:
    a) a predetermined event happens (see below)
    b) the leader, while playing, comes up with a situation that he feels changes the agreed upon gameplan.

    Some predetermined events that could cause a meeting of the players could be
    1) any new advance - so we could discuss what to go for next
    2) anytime a city is founded - so we could discuss what to build and how to (i.e. should we rush build it)
    3) when new units are produced - may not be necessary all the time.
    I'm sure there are others.

    I guess what im trying to avoid is my joke earlier about debating whether to move a settler one square or conveneing on 5 straight days to hit "enter" 5 straight times.

    Another thought might be to elect the leader for a term instead of the whole game. It seems like the leader is gonna have alot more work than the other players so we might want to split it up.

    One final thought - I really think we should consider some sort of IM package for meetings and maybe post summaries of the discussions here. Otherwise it could literally take weeks to do a single turn (ie if every player averages 2 comments about a turn before the vote on what to do, it would take 10 days before the vote, probably a day or 2 to get all 5 votes, a day to execute the agreed upon vote and repost it - and as the game gets more complicated I think people may have more then 2 comments)

    Anyway thats my input, I anxiously await comments

    Deity Dude


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    posted April 17, 2001 12:54   Click Here to See the Profile for Deity DudeClick Here to Email Deity Dude Visit Deity Dude's Homepage!
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    oops
    [This message has been edited by Deity Dude (edited April 17, 2001).]
    [This message has been edited by Deity Dude (edited April 17, 2001).]
    rixxe


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    posted April 18, 2001 05:27   Click Here to See the Profile for rixxeClick Here to Email rixxe Visit rixxe's Homepage!
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    I'm thinking about another way,...Like we all agreed (as far as i know) there will be cities (5/10/20) belonging to some people,...

    I think it will be faster if one player moves his units, do whatever he has to do with his cities etc,...and when everything is done, he send the savegame to the next player, etc,...

    At the end of the turn, the savegame is sent to the Leader who will post here what happened,...

    And so on

    carioca


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    posted April 19, 2001 15:58   Click Here to See the Profile for cariocaClick Here to Email carioca Visit carioca's Homepage!
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    quote:

    Originally posted by Sirotnikov on 04-05-2001 05:31 PM
    Sorry I was tempted.

    suually all the people who have newer civ versions also have the previous version as they play civ for a long time and wouldn't just go out and buy a "newly packaged" game with an game engine dating to 1995.


    I don't have an older version of CIV 2 and I did go out and buy the newly packaged version of MPGE.

    Sirotnikov


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    posted April 19, 2001 19:55   Click Here to See the Profile for SirotnikovClick Here to Email Sirotnikov Visit Sirotnikov's Homepage!
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    well, then Tausrus can't be our leader as he can't upload stuff and I can!

    kidding!

    rixxe


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    posted April 23, 2001 02:58   Click Here to See the Profile for rixxeClick Here to Email rixxe Visit rixxe's Homepage!
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    Well, it seems that this game will never start
    [This message has been edited by rixxe (edited April 23, 2001).]
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