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Smash
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posted June 01, 2000 13:07
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More computer school going on here.I've uploaded an OCC scenario and I want to know if it works.Should be a self extracting one.
you can play if you want but I'm really just interested whether it works or not
www.angelfire.com/wa2/smashdamit/downloads/ming.zip
[This message has been edited by Smash (edited June 03, 2000).] |
DaveV
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 13:17
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It downloaded OK, but won't run on Win 98 Civ II MGE (file is not a saved game). |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 13:30
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its a scenario made with original civ2 so it should work with MGE.Hmmm...back to school |
Smash
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posted June 01, 2000 15:45
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hmmm...works ok for me.Must be a MAC/PC compatibility thing.Damit |
Tom DeMille
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posted June 01, 2000 15:55
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Well, the extension .SEA is not recognized on my PC. You say it is a self extracting archive? I tried changing the extension to .exe and running it but Windows doesn't recognize it as a valid win32 app.Best to stick with zips. |
Paul
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 16:02
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Self-extracting archives can not be used on different operating systems. So a Mac self-extractor won't work on Windows and the other way round Windows self-extractors won't work on a Mac. It's probably best to follow Tom's advice and use regular zip files. |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 16:05
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ah ha!thank you sirs.Unfortunately, while I can decompress .zip files I havn't figured out how to make them yet.I can only make .hqx so far.
Back to drawing boardthnx again |
granite00
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 16:37
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I'm using Netscape and can't even download the file. It just opens another window filled with nonsensical characters. |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 20:24
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did you right or option click?anyway I have more to learn.I changed it to .hqx |
finbar
b.02-15-99
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posted June 01, 2000 20:36
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Keep up the schooling, Smash, you'll be Brian Reynolds in your next life.  ------------------
finbar
Mono Rules!
#33984591 |
Paul
b.02-15-99
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posted June 03, 2000 04:37
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After doing a search on www.download.com I found Aladdin Expander which can handle those hqx files. I suggest you also take a look there; maybe they have a Mac program there that can make zips. |
granite00
b.02-15-99
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posted June 03, 2000 09:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Smash on 06-01-2000 08:24 PM
did you right or option click?anyway I have more to learn.I changed it to .hqx
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I did both. |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 03, 2000 12:35
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thnx Paul.I had a look and there is indeed some utilities available.There is MacZip which requires me to send $15 to get the code that zip uses or something like that. Then there is PKzip.How common is pkzip?It says others MUST have pkzip to unzip |
Paul
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posted June 03, 2000 13:31
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I don't know everything zbout zip files, but as far as I know zip is a standard format, so if you make a zip file with pkzip you can unzip it with any unzip program. If you want to be sure that it works you can download it and make a test zip. You could then mail it to me or post a download link here and I'll see if it works. |
Smash
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posted June 03, 2000 16:37
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argh!the saga continues.Much hair pulling and baseball bat fingering but I have something called smartzip.So I change it once again.Now it is zip.I have no idea whether it works or not.Course since its the weekend angelfire is busy now but it SHOULD work damit www.angelfire.com/wa2/smashdamit/downloads/ming.zip |
Paul
b.02-15-99
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posted June 04, 2000 01:59
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The zip file will unzip and the scenario can be played, but it contains a .bin file instead of a .txt file. That means that you won't get the text displayed when you start the scenario. |
Smash
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posted June 04, 2000 03:17
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ya,if I unzip the way I normally do I get the same .bin but when I use this smartzip thingy it comes thru fine.Is there anything in your utility's preferences that may cause this?I have a setting in stuffit that decides whether or not text files are converted(whatever that means)
If not this smartzip must do something alittle different.
hang on... I just had a looksy at the smartzip preferences and there was a box "skip resource fork for text file" that was not enabled.
would that be the culprit?
yes i beleive it was.I think I got it! what an ordeal
thnx Paul
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Paul
b.02-15-99
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posted June 04, 2000 04:02
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It almost works right. I am now getting a text file, but unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the end-of-line. I get some character where the end of the line should be and this means that Civ2 won't read the text file. When I removed those things and hit enter at those places it did work. I didn't have that problem with the hqx file you had first. But you are getting closer to where you should be. |
Smash
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posted June 04, 2000 11:55
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LOL! oh man this relatively simple procedure has got the best of me.This is on MAC for pete's sake.Good thing I sold my PC |
MacUser
b.02-15-99
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posted June 05, 2000 18:56
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Well, I seem to have learned something: StuffIt Deluxe doesn't create zip format archives! I thought that it could expand/translate AND create ANY format. Well, I'm half right. StuffIt Expander can open and decompress any format, but the program seems to only create StuffIt (.sit) archives. One way to cope with this is to offer both the Windows and Mac StuffIt Expander versions (free for the download from <A HREF="http://www.aladdinsys.com">Aladdin Systems</A> and also included on my StuffIt Delux CD so I could send someone a copy if needed) on any site that you use StuffIt archives. I beleive that ACS DB contains both versions. As for PKZip, it seems to be on every PC that I've ever used and I always assumed that it was the Windows standard for compression similar to the way StuffIt appears in the Mac IS world. I suppose none of that was terribly helpful, but what the hey...  BTW, I sucessfully downloaded the file, "unzipped" with StuffIt and played the "scenario" sucessfully. As the benevolent Mac Moderator, I will take care to avoid evil, less I become the subject of a smashing scenario! ------------------
Different is GOOD! AOL IM--JacSamDad
[This message has been edited by MacUser (edited June 05, 2000).] |
Paul
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posted June 05, 2000 23:30
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So, when's the last time you used a PC?  PKzip was probably the standard in the DOS days, but at the moment most people seem to use Winzip. But there are also loads of other zip/unzip utilities available on the net. |
MacUser
b.02-15-99
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posted June 06, 2000 07:04
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Hmmmm....I'll check my PC at work today. I have a feeling that I've been saying "PK" out of habit and I've been using "Win" for a while!  I should know better 'cause I use PC's at work constantly! (2x )------------------
Different is GOOD! AOL IM--JacSamDad |
Tom DeMille
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posted June 06, 2000 10:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul on 06-04-2000 04:02 AM
It almost works right. I am now getting a text file, but unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the end-of-line. I get some character where the end of the line should be and this means that Civ2 won't read the text file. When I removed those things and hit enter at those places it did work. I didn't have that problem with the hqx file you had first. But you are getting closer to where you should be.
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Smash, the end of line problem has to do with whatever word processor you used to create the text file. It is not a true ASCII text file - it still contains formatting information. I opened the file in Word 2000, and Word interpreted the formating information correctly. Saving the file back out with the option "Text Only with Line Breaks (*.txt)" fixed the problem - ie the formating information was removed and it was saved as a "true" text file. So try to save the text file out again with a different file type option. |
Tom DeMille
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posted June 06, 2000 10:49
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Hey, I just tried the scenario, and finally read what the text file says. LOL! |
MacUser
b.02-15-99
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posted June 06, 2000 22:29
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Paul: Yep. It's WinZip at work. Hey, I noticed that ya'll PC'ers have a "desktop" and "trash can" now! Gee, wha'll they think of next?  FYI: I note at the <A HREF="http://www.winzip.com">WinZip homepage</A> the WinZip is in version 8.0 and availible for download and costs $29 for a single computer license. I didn't see anything about versions or extractor for Mac, but I sent them an email asking if they have Mac versions. BTW Tom, I had no problems with the original text file on my Mac MPG version. ------------------
Different is GOOD! AOL IM--JacSamDad
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Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 06, 2000 23:23
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ok.I make the txt with clarisworks(appleworks now).Basic word processing,spreadsheet blah blah.It never occured to me that PCs wouldn't "read" it,but it makes sense.I wonder what I could use?Maybe I have a look and see if there is some utility. PC trash can is called "recycle bin" so it is an original idea |
Paul
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posted June 06, 2000 23:58
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So Macuser, do you actually use that PC at work or did you just look at it for the first time? I mean, you must have noticed the desktop and recycle bin before today if you actually used the thing. Smash, when you save a textfile do you get any options that you could try to change that might make the end-of-line readable in Windows? |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 07, 2000 00:11
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yes I think so!I can just save or save as..1 of the followingAppleworks 2.0
clarisworks 1.0 text
HTML
Macwrite 5.0
MS Winword
MS Word 3.0 or 4.0 or PC
MS Works 1.1 0r 2.0
MS Write 1.0
RTF
TEXT
Word perfect 1.02 or 2.0
Word perfect Mac 3.3
Word perfect PC 4.2
Writenow 1.0,2.0 0r 2.2 Which one? I'm thinkin the highest MS works |
Paul
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posted June 07, 2000 02:30
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What did you use for the one in your zip? I would go for text. The other options would produce formatted text which is not what you need. Civ2 uses plain unformatted text files. |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted June 07, 2000 03:58
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actually I just double clicked on an old txt file and made my changes.It seems SIMPLETEXT handled it by default.I don't know if PCs recognize it or not.Apparently not.This time I saved it as a TEXT and reposted once again.So....if you could give it one more shot.
If you ever make it to Vancouver,beef and booze is on me
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Paul
b.02-15-99
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posted June 07, 2000 04:26
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Sorry, it appears that this one still has the same problem. |
Smash
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posted June 07, 2000 12:42
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I give up |
MacUser
b.02-15-99
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posted June 07, 2000 19:38
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Paul: I use the PC daily, I just repress the memory! Smash: Here is the response from WinZip - Hi, I am writing in response to your message: >
> Do you have a Macintosh compatible version of WinZip? I have an iMac running OS 8.6. Sorry, WinZip works only on Windows. The Info-ZIP group produces command line Zip/Unzip software for a
variety of other platforms, including the Mac, MVS, and various versions
of Unix. I suggest you take a look at their home page at http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/ You can also check http://garbo.uwasa.fi which has an extensive collection of Macintosh file utilities. Please let me know if you have any further questions.
-- Chuck Campbell, WinZip Technical Support
I find it very curious that Paul is having such problems with your text file. Perhapes some additional PC users could confirm this behavior. I have always assumed that Simple Text and applications such as Notepad were the most basic of text editors and could produce cross-platform files. Ah, but what do I know. Something is obviously amiss! Again, I had no problems with your file. ------------------
Different is GOOD! AOL IM--JacSamDad |
Smash
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posted June 07, 2000 20:50
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finding a zip utility was/is not the problem |
Scouse Gits
b.02-15-99
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posted June 08, 2000 03:52
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Regret - having the same problem - end of line markers not recognised as such by PC.
Does the Mac use the ASCII character set?
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Scouse Git[1] "CARTAGO DELENDA EST" - Cato the Censor |
Paul
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posted June 08, 2000 04:46
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It probably does, otherwise the whole text would be unreadable garbage. It is just the end-of-line markers that appear to be the problem. |
MacUser
b.02-15-99
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posted June 08, 2000 07:53
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I just checked the "Macworld Mac Secrets" book and confirmed that ASCII is the same for all religions whether Windows, Mac or "anything else" (Unix? ) I'll ask this to some real programers and see if they know the answer. This is really curious.------------------
Different is GOOD! AOL IM--JacSamDad
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Tom DeMille
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posted June 08, 2000 08:37
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Hey, I'm a real programmer! I dug around some c++ docs concerning text editors, and have found the problem. DOS and Windows use ASCII 13 (carriage return) and ASCII 10 (linefeed character) in combination as their new line marker. UNIX and Mac use only the linefeed character. So straight text files are not compatible cross platform. What else is new... Smash, if you could just toss in an ASCII 13 character everytime you hit enter, it would be appreciated. |
Paul
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posted June 08, 2000 10:25
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Well, it's good to see that we finally know the cause of the problem and a possible solution. Smash, I hope this will help you get your scenario working on both Windows and Mac. |
Steve Clark
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posted June 08, 2000 10:57
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In case you don't know how to do that, just do:#include <iostream.h>
cout << "string\n";
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cout << "string" << end1;
where 'string' is the text string. j/k
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