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Smash
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posted May 05, 2000 22:12
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This the extent of my hut knowledge1.You will not get an advanced tribe from a hut unless it is on grass or plains. 2.You will not get a wandering nomad if you allready have a non settler 3.You will not get technology after Invention has been discovered(not supposed to anyway) 4.Goody hut Barb unit types change with the following technologies:
Chivalry
Poly.
Mono.
Iron.
Gunpowder
Leadership
Metallurgy
Conscript.
Guerrilla Warfare
Navigation-changes boat type
Magnet.-changes boat type
Tactics-changes sea-based barbs
Mobile Warfare-no more barbs 5.You will not get a boat of any kind from a hut 6.The max. gold is 200.Minimum 25 7.Philosophy can be found.You do get extra tech.Next turn though 8.Advanced tribes get bigger and can include improvements.Not sure on this one as to which techs cause it.
What else?
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ColdWizard
b.02-15-99
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posted May 05, 2000 22:17
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are you sure about #2? seems like i've gotten nomads while having one of my original settlers still running around.... but its been a while and i could be mistakenI've used armor and fighters to suppress barbarian uprisings before (it was in original civ2) |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted May 05, 2000 22:39
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not beyond a reasonable doubt.In a recent OCC "fortnight"game you started with 1 settler.The logs were consistant.Almost all discovered nomads.But since it was a 1 square island there was no use for them so you sent them back for disbanding.Anyway,once players had 1,no more were found.After being disbanded,they were found again.Repeat process. Not conclusive but strong evidence. |
Scouse Gits
b.02-15-99
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posted May 05, 2000 22:40
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We think that it's Mobile Warfare - no more barbarian pirates - you can still get uprisings ... ???____________
The Scouse Gits in concert |
Adam Smith
b.02-15-99
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posted May 05, 2000 23:38
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9. You will never get barbarians from a hut within the radius of one of your cities.10. HUTS FOLLOW A PATTERN! ------------------
"I fear that I shall die a Prince."
-Edward VII, Prince of Wales
[This message has been edited by Adam Smith (edited May 05, 2000).] |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted May 05, 2000 23:59
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oops.Should have said sea barbs.The extent of my hut knowledge is shrinking  I think maybe in that OCC game you got 2 but had 1 "join city" early.Either or.
[This message has been edited by Smash (edited May 06, 2000).] |
ColdWizard
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 00:01
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SG: yes, they were uprisings, i was on a big continent and my 255 cities still left a lot of room for the barbs |
Dusty
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 00:25
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It is indeed possible to get a non Settler from a hut when you already have one. I can verify this because it just happened to me.I was building a scenario, and using a land unit with a lot of moves to explore. I went into every hut, and eventually ended up getting two non Settlers. Note that this was with FW. Also, it may make a difference that this was all during one turn. ------------------
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Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 00:32
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shrinking |
Canadian War Beaver
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 02:08
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yes it seems to me that i as well have received more than one none settler at a time..... although its not like finding four or five advanced tribes along a large riverbed in a row  , however it has happened , but i think one needs to be on a larger map with many huts otherwise its usually alot of techs and gold  However, your knowledge is extremely good nonetheless.i would also add, that once you get multiple barbs from a hut, you can expect to receive mulltiple barbs almost everytime you release barbs from new huts  means you really need to double up with a dip when exploring those distant huts |
Crustacian
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 02:27
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I got democracy, and atomic theory from huts before , but never two settlers yet.My explorer was like "What the heck is this jibberish?" they could not pronounce it let alone understand it  |
Ming
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 08:09
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When you create a city and there is an unopened hut in the city radius, if a worker is assigned to the square the hut is on, it will disappear.And number 2 is incorrect, as everybody is pointing out. Plus (and tell me if I'm wrong on this one) in Civ II, you could never get a wandering tribe from a grasslands or plains square... but you can in the MP edition. |
Tom DeMille
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 09:03
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Originally posted by Smash on 05-05-2000 10:12 PM
2.You will not get a wandering nomad if you allready have a non settler
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I have found this to be a true statement as far as OCC games go (but have received an extra settler in regular games). I expect you cannot get more NONE settlers from huts than you have cities.
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Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 14:24
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TomD-that could very well be it.You may have the answer there.
Ming- I'm gonna have to pay closer attention.Unfortunately,nomads are as common to me as winning a lottery.I don't neccessarily beleive the cheat menu gives the same "random" result as in actual play.
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William Keenan
b.02-15-99
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posted May 06, 2000 14:39
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1. You will not get an advanced tribe from a hut unless it is on grass or plains. Generally I would agree with this point except that I have gotten two advanced tribes in swamp squares. 2.You will not get a wandering nomad if you allready have a non settler. That's an imaginitive guess. Unfortunately I have gotten two none nomad units at the same time. 3.You will not get technology after Invention has been discovered. This is true, I used it all the time in my reseach on the Barbarian Paper and it never failed. 4.Goody hut Barb unit types change with the following technologies: Iron Working, Polytheism, Monotheism, Chivalry, Gunpowder, Leadership, Conscription, Metallurgy, and Guerrilla Warfare all effect Goody huts. No other techs effect huts including Moblie Warfare. 5.You will not get a boat of any kind from a hut. I see potential for an April first scenario with this one. 6.The max. gold is 200. Minimum 25 Yep. 7.Philosophy can be found. You do get extra tech. Next turn though. Yep. 8. Advanced tribes get bigger and can include improvements. Not sure on this one as to which techs cause it. Humm ... good question. |
Xin Yu
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posted May 06, 2000 15:39
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I once got an advanced tribe for my first city. It was a bad place so I disbanded it and got no capital ever since. |
SilverDragon
b.02-15-99
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posted May 07, 2000 13:40
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I thought that you don't get advanced tribes or barbs until you found your first city  |
ColdWizard
b.02-15-99
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posted May 07, 2000 16:24
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you can get advanced tribes before building a city. I've gotten my first city this way several times and they've all had palaces too. |
cavebear
b.02-15-99
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posted May 07, 2000 16:49
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Well, since advanced tribes always use a name appropriate to the specific civ, it sounds like there is a line in the software like:civcitycount=0, goto civcitylist, palace=1 Is the advanced tribe/capital named the usual capital name for the civ?
[This message has been edited by cavebear (edited May 07, 2000).] |
ColdWizard
b.02-15-99
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posted May 07, 2000 17:04
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yup, always been the same name whether i build it or got it out of a hut |
Jim W
b.02-15-99
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posted May 07, 2000 21:20
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Couple of games back, when I was playing even more ineffectively than now, I had my first settler irrigating a place next to my chosen city site, when a Warrior knmocked over a hut and found an advanced tribe. The only building they had, though, was the Palace.In other games, I've found advanced tribes, about mid-game, that had no buildings at all. In my present game, Ijust recently found an advanced tribe, on an island, that had, as I recall, a Barracks and a Marketplace. And in the same game, a few turns before, found an advanced tribe that seemed to have nothing but the clothes they stood up in. Jim W |
Canadian War Beaver
b.02-15-99
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posted May 08, 2000 03:00
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i have never received a city from a hut until after 1500 bc........ and always close to a rival to boot when this happens and for me , every time NOOOOOOOOOO palace either I wonder if when we all play this is standard or a glitch in our individual games. I have received mobile warfare , nuc fission , recycling, and mass pro from huts.... although none of these in over a year now i think, if i remember correctly. there was a thread awhile back discussing these techs..... |
Bohlen
b.02-15-99
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posted May 08, 2000 10:19
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I have found my capital in a hut in both SP and MP. In the MP game, I was playing a true vet who is known to kick some butt, but with this luck of finding my capital I was actually able to win our duel. |
SmartFart
b.02-15-99
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posted May 08, 2000 17:02
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../../Forum3/HTML/000815.html (more huts) |
Jim W
b.02-15-99
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posted May 09, 2000 00:50
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I have personally received cities from huts at about 3500BC. Never found any modern techs, though. Probasbly because all the huts were discovered by the time we got modern. Jim W |
Canadian War Beaver
b.02-15-99
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posted May 09, 2000 02:54
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let me rephrase Jim....... i mean before i have founded my first city |
SmartFart
b.02-15-99
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posted May 11, 2000 01:34
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I just remembered some more useless hut features from my early civing when i reloaded huts and bad events
(that was cheating,but it helped me alot to understand a game...however,without proper fighting knowledge i felt like someone threw me to the lions when i started multiplaying).-3 non-settlers is a max
-you cannot get wandering nomad before you have 3 cities |
The Mad Monk
b.02-15-99
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posted May 11, 2000 02:19
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quote:
-you cannot get wandering nomad before you have 3 cities
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Sorry, but i've seen it happen with one, and it's repeatable, to boot. Funny thing, it came from grassland with water on two sides, so you would expect a city. |
Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted May 11, 2000 04:26
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ya.we had them in that OCC game  |
SmartFart
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posted May 11, 2000 06:04
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In that case i suppose it has something to do with current year.
Perhaps you can't get one before 3500 or so?
I remember i build 2 cities,find a hut on rough terrain and reload about 100+ (yes 100+) times to get wandering nomads before i gave up. |
Fenway
b.02-15-99
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posted May 11, 2000 19:45
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its my belief in the early game that you need more cities than none settlers on the board to receive one.I have found that if i settle both settlers quickly that i receive advanced tribes or nomads much more frequently than if i have one city and my other origional none settler roaming the area looking for huts which is suicidal anyways |
Ming
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posted May 11, 2000 21:37
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I like the theory. Now, somebody prove it.I've done some experimenting, and never considered your above approach. I've tried resetting a million times on non grass/plains and not been able to get a wandering tribe. Yet on the next turn, I was getting a wandering tribe from a different hut about 25% of the time.
I have no clue what the difference in the situations was... You raise an interesting theory. Anybody want to test it |
SCG
b.02-15-99
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posted June 08, 2000 18:34
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8. Advanced tribes get bigger and can include improvements. Not sure on this one as to which techs cause it.Humm ... good question.
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I've experimented with this a little - not sure of the tech - might be computers. As for the huts, I've managed random sizes from 1-4, with any combo of barracks, grainery, marketplace and library. I've heard rumors of being able to get size 8 cities (which would logically be the max possible size, due to the settler/aquaduct constraint), but i've never been able to surpass size 4.
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Smash
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posted June 08, 2000 22:23
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I noticed a pattern today while playing hotseat(crazy stuff that).It seemed you can only get 1 nomad per continent/landmass.My mate was exploring and settling all over the large real world map.EVERYTIME he landed on a new mass he would get a nomad in the first 2 or 3 huts.Then no more.He uses it to build a city and "poof" he would get another on that land mass.Happened at least 6 times. Course hotseat is odd. |
Scouse Gits
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posted June 09, 2000 00:14
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Opening huts before building a capital always seems sensible. No risk of barbs, and those NON chariots/archers are wonderful. The downside is the useless scroll of wisdom - not on the path to Monarchy. I have only recently realised that a scroll of wisdom before founding your capital slows down research. Alas, there is no such thing as a NON advance before the first city is in place.--------------
SG (2) |
Jim W
b.02-15-99
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posted June 09, 2000 21:50
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Originally posted by Canadian War Beaver on 05-09-2000 02:54 AM
let me rephrase Jim....... i mean before i have founded my first city
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Don't know why it took so long to catch this. There was one time when I was in the process of building my first city when I knocked over a hut, and there was yer friendly local advanced tribe, complete with palace. I kept that captial, because it was a better place than the one I was starting. I don't know whether or not that counts as "before founding of the first city." Jim W |
East Street Trader
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posted June 13, 2000 12:26
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SmashIs it worth adding to your knowledge 9. Huts on mountains never yield barbs (pretty sure anyway) and barbs from huts in Arctic/Antarctic always freeze to death.
East Street Trader
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rah
b.02-15-99
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posted June 13, 2000 12:33
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I've gotten barbs from mountains many times before.
RAH |
Julius Brenzaida
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posted September 24, 2000 16:34
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Originally posted by Smash on 05-05-2000 10:12 PM3.You will not get technology after Invention has been discovered(not supposed to anyway)
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Not exactly.
I think you cannot discover any new tech with the huts after you've reached the critical number of 24.
Check it, I am quite sure this is the rule.
So you can discover anything, as long as you don't pass over 24. I've been many times far beyond invention (up for ex. to industrialization) ------------------
Oh Man, when will you understand that your greatness lies in your failure - Goethe |
Smash
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posted September 24, 2000 20:39
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That has not been my experience.Invention does it for me.One of the fortnight occs(Mongols War-only-sometimes) I had more than 24 techs and still got tech from hut.Conversly I beleive at least 1 player got invention before 24 and suffered because of it. Anybody? I've also got barbs from mountains.In fact I have gotten barbs from all terrains.
[This message has been edited by Smash (edited September 24, 2000).] |
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