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Aurelius
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Woah! They do upgrade! (Steve!) When I read DaveV's post, I couldn't believe that Cruisers could become Aegis Cruisers. And not being a naval afficianado, I rarely build Cruisers in the first place as they seem to cost too much and my democracy prefers them in moth.

But I had Shakes in the Super Science City with over fifty shields and a significant lead over hapless AI in Tech. My subordinate Super 8 cities were crankin' out freight and ex-diplomats were conscripting 'none' musketeers.

So we built our first cruiser in two turns. And made foolish dash for Rocketry bypassing Automobile. We made it despite two lengthy affairs with Civil Disorder due to lapses in micromanaging a zero Luxury tax during an expansionist war effort against the foolish Celts.

I was telling a friend that there is nothing in CivII I get more pleasure from than a new dialog box. And Sure enough, the Domestic Advisor sent the following message to the Defense Advisor:
www.farmhand.com/Aegis.gif

And now the Defense Minister says that we have 13 Aegis and the Foreign Minister says our power is supreme and reputation...only dishonorable and the attitude advisors has put his signature on the release of the Zeus' moth'd fleet.

AU--don't think I'll try this in MP!

(SG(2)-- But in Such Fantasy, we are not certain whether to conscript a few warrior tourists for Fort Mason to defend us from the Monarch of the Sea of Liverpool; but there are some here that are calling on Da Mayor to head down to the Marina to welcome yet another piece of antiquated maritime--but either way, do tell the captains of your triremes to listen to our wondrous foghorns as in this new world, the lighthouse hath expired--AU )

Sten Sture
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LoL! I don't think anyone else will get it, but I am crying!

Aurelius - there is no pillaging in Oakland!

I can't figure out how to get the Auto-upgrade to take effect on the mothballed fleet up in San Pablo bay, surely they could use some of that stuff.

I'm thinking we could sell the new Aegis cruisers and head over to Anfield to buy a decent soccer club; think Liverpool could compete in the MLS??? Westerfeld could live in the Marina, Berger in Berkeley, Fowler in Oakland, Matteo in North Beach, Friedle in the Haight (nice hair dye) and Owen up in Marin with Mum and Dad.

I haven't been to Mad Dog in the Fog since I got Fox Sports World on digital cable, but my house sure is missing some of the "atmosphere" you get on lower Haight!

Steve Clark
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I think that was sort of the point I tried to make earlier. Unlike the ground units, none of the ships get upgraded to the modern units (if you don't count ironclad to destroyer). The only way to get Cruisers and Battleships is to build them new.

I think most people didn't know about the Aegis upgrade because few would hold off Automobiles.

If it has been done, would someone post a link that lists all of the upgrades?

BTW, my youngest brother lives in the City and is a regular at a number of pubs. Gotta ask him which ones.

Aurelius
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Sten,
Anyone but Manchester....(or so says an acquaintance from Galway.)

SF has this attitude that is bewildering to me being an Easterner at heart. But we do have the luckiest weather! Is it Febuary 3rd? As I ask this, the sky is about to drop and SG will be glad to know we are in for the afternoon--fair weather folks we be.

Rumor has it that Oakland has sent a few Super Iron Clads to suppress our portly 'SF' mirth. So SG had better hurry up if he wants to get a piece of the action. But the Irish mason in me says don't let the mortar cure! But we'll have to concede SG points on the Dubliner's frothy pint!

AU --if Oakland isn't landlocked, then surely San Jose is?!

Sten Sture
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Evidently the wind (in SF right now) is so strong that the BofA windows are buckling, and all of the towers are swaying. Yikes!
Aurelius
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Sten,
Yeah, don't send that Camsite to Apolyton today! Though if I look real hard, I can see a freighter in the bay so maybe I can walk down to the local pub and dip my nose in the Guinness during the eye of the SF storm.

Steve, that's right, your brother goes to the school here. I saw Mayor (Willie) Brown, give a commencement speech at State about 3 or 4 years ago--his reputation percedes him and lingers behind in royal truckery. I've always liked the campus and the attitude. There's about four other good bars in the Lower Haight--but the crowds are too young rowdy for me.

Too bad Sten's is pulling tabs off a can of Guinness at home in front of Fox and the weather station...

AU

Sten Sture
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I have no idea how to get this thread back to Guerilla Warfare, or the Lighthouse.

You are correct on those cans of Guinness (at least they are Draughts with the CO2 cartridge.) I guess I could also get a roadie from Finnigan's Wake. To Dublin! Cheers.

Scouse Gits
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Steve:

I’m not sure if this is the information that you need.
I think the upgrade of ground units with Leonardo’s goes:

Warriors to Pikemen at Feudalism
Warriors/Pikemen/Phalanx/Archers/Legion to Musketeers at Gunpowder
Musketeers to Riflemen at Conscription

Horsemen/Chariots to Elephants at Polytheism
Elephants to Crusaders at Monotheism
OR to Knights if you have Chivalry before Monotheism. (Not sure about this as I always head for Mono)
Crusaders/Knights to Dragoons at Leadership
Dragoons to Cavalry at Tactics

Settlers to Engineers at Explosives
Caravans to Freight at Corporation
Diplomats to Spies at Espionage

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DaveV
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SG2 - Phalanxes will upgrade to Pikemen if you discover Feudalism before Gunpowder. I believe that Horsemen upgrade to Knights with Chivalry, and Chariots to Elephants with Polytheism. And you forgot a few:

Catapult to Cannon with Metallurgy
Cannon to Artillery with Machine Tools
Explorers to Partisans with Guerilla Warfare

I love Leo's!

Scouse Gits
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Dave V - Thanks again. Forgot about catapults as I never build them - but I have to bribe them on occasions! What I didn't realise was the Explorer/Partisan upgrade.

I'm thinking of putting all the Leo's upgrades into one thread, so it can be used as a reference. Before I do this - am I correct in thinking that air units never upgrade via the workshop? (I very seldom build them and when I do Leo's is dead - as I prefer to preserve the Colossus)

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Sten Sture
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To upgrade Air units you wuld need to get Stealth which requires Laser which requires Mass Prod which requires Auto. I guess it is theoretically possible to do it, but you would need to get Mass Pro from a hut since you couldn't trade around Auto without somebody having it.

SG - I like the SF OCC idea! Home field advantage for Aurelius and me.
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Aurelius
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DaveV found away to get back to Guerilla Warfare in the context of Leo's--explorers to Partisans....

Mass Production in a hut...you surely would have to reduce the AI's to pet cities while you pursued Stealth upgrade.

AU

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I don't think it is possible to get air units upgraded. Automobile discovered by any civ will render Leonardo obselete.
Aurelius
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Is it possible to get Mass Production through a hut? Was wondering how the game determines hut tech? Perhaps one can't get a hut tech that doesn't have the required tech tree already developed...that would make Stealth Upgrade impossible unless we cheat.

AU

Steve Clark
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I thought we concluded awhile back that after Invention, one doesn't get anymore scrolls from a hut? One of the distant ancestors of Mass Prod is Invention, therefore not possible?
Sten Sture
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While it is true that the rules say you can't get scrolls after Invention, I recall reading on this esteemed forum that occurences of strange advances have been recorded. (as have sightings of Bigfoot/Yeti, and the Loch Ness Monster) I would place the probability of getting Stealth before anyone has Automobile somewhere around the probability of seeing one of the above mythical figures.
Sivro
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It seems to me that I have never received an advance from a hut where I didn't have the prerequisites of that tech. If this is true, the "mass production hut" would be impossible.
Sten Sture
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Sivro - the strange advances bug may have been fixed in one of the many patches, I have never seen it happen. (that I can recall)
Ming
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Yes Sivro, you are correct. You must have the needed sciences before you can get it from a hut. I have never seen a science given by a hut after invention. But some people claim that they have... so if that rule is broken, any science could probably be gained
War4ever
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mass production is the one i most commonly hear and have seen myself.... although i could include mobile warfare and space flight... the only question i have is this.... if some monor tribe had space flight, how did they stay minor lol unless they only new that
Aurelius
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Wow, just got MP today and a copy for a friend. How do I challenge folks?

Sten, do you ever indulge in multiplayer? I'll say this, it isn't an AI friendly game! I tried an OCC game using the fortnight II position and cives were an uncooperative bunch! Oh, are you the mapmaker for the next scenario? Are you going to put some SF barbarians into the next challenge? Think I'll use the V2.42 I purchased for Fortnight 3. (So I hope your Hasbro stock goes up.)

Where's that War4ever? My howitzer's need target practice

AU

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Aurelius .... LOL we posted at the same time.... and MY MONGOLS ARE WAITING ......

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