Fortunately, there is the bloodlust option.

The democracy blatant cheats. The ability of enemy democracies to act like they have a terrorist for president and the people don't care.

In my last game, as the French, I was with a Carrier with eight bombers stacked with a Battleship, near the cost of the Americans. At recent Cease-Fire, I decided to retreat two or three squares away them, to cool the things...

As I was with UN, at the moment I passed the turn, a window popped up to tell me that they have discovered Rocketry. Immediately, a barrage of three American Cruise Missiles almost took out my entire stack!!! Thanks for the Battleship, my Carrier survived.
Whatīs that? When I discover anything, even if I change my production and buy the new whatever, I have to *wait* until the next turn! GRRRRRR

This things make me remember of Master of Orion, but this is for some other forum...

quote: Originally posted by Roman on 02-23-2001 01:10 PM It is extremely cheap to bribe foreign cities and the price is not even affected by the number of units inside! This way, it is possible to win a conquest game without having any army to speak of.

If only I had your luck, Roman. Very rarely — especially in the later stages of the game — can I ever get a city for less than 8000 gold. A well-built and distant city can run up to 25,000 gold to bribe. Mind you, these are cities that typically belong to either the first place AI player and/or the second/third place AI players. Smaller and/or weaker civs can be cheaper to bribe, but not always.

BTW, number of units *do* affect the cost of bribing. After taking out half the defenders, I often find a city at least a quarter cheaper than before (i.e. 8000 to 6000).

Regarding my own dislike of Civ II, it would be the fact that the AI can steal your most advanced techs (even w/veteran spies defending!) and then race you for AC or world dominance. That's crap. It's ludicrous that a medieval society can suddenly steal spaceflight and then take off for the stars 30 years later, IMHO.

When *I* try to steal Mobile Warfare from them, my veteran spy is vaporyzed. Or steals Refrigeration instead (oh, no!)... GRRRRRR

Hope someone mentioned this in the Civ3 suggestion forum!

"I'm not quite dead yet Sire" Concord the horse to Sir Lancelot-Monty Python and the Holy Grail

It would be the Apollo Program and manhattan Project, which instantly give all civs the benefits of a wonder they didn't contribute a caravan to.

ai building cities in your 'territory' (one feature I loved in smac- although it still had flaws). or having units roam around in your territory- I'm usually don't declare war in democracy

ai in general

actually that is all I can think of right now

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The Mad Monk

"The sun shines to-day, also."

Case 1: It takes 1000 years for someone to get anywhere, even in modern times travel is completely unrealistic. World War II would have taken 100 years if CIVII physics were in play.

Case 2: A city of 10,000 builds a phalanx, which can somehow magically impede the movement of your Panzer Corps (built by a city of several million) throughout an area larger than many of the states of Europe.

Case 3: At all times and in all cases (except in cities or forts) stacking (read concentration) of your forces within a single square increases the danger to your forces, while giving you little or no benefit, contrary to all the known principles of warfare throughout history with the possible exception of a full nuclear exchange scenario.

I can't work out why the Japanese trireme was invisible until I arrived in the square right next to it. I had already explored the coast so shouldn't it have been in view?

So my nomination is either not being able to see units (other than subs) in reasonable time (if what happened is cosher) or BLOODY MYSTERIOUS AND INEXPLICABLE EVENTS WHICH SINK MY SHIPS if it was not.

Any exploration will only give you a "snapshot" of AI units for that particular date. The geography cannot alter, but city sizes and military deployment will keep changing.

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quote: Originally posted by Sikander on 03-07-2001 06:08 AM I find the most annoying things about CIVII are the same things that were annoying years ago in CIVI. Worst of all have to be the bizarre time-space problems. Case 1: It takes 1000 years for someone to get anywhere, even in modern times travel is completely unrealistic. World War II would have taken 100 years if CIVII physics were in play.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, its not possible to make a playable and fun 6000 year civ game with realistic movement. Assuming turns are one year each, that means that in modern times ships can virtually teleport anywhere in the world in the space of a turn? how interesting a war can you have that way - Imagine WW1 in 4 turns!!!! how could you get into strategic and economic and political dilemmas of modern war in 4 turns???
OTOH supposing you have, say, 3 month turns - if you apply this from turn one, (4000 BC) that 24000 turns!!!!!! you want to spend the rest of your life playing one game of civ? Well you could attemt longer turns in the early game (but not TOO LONG, or your legions will go from one end of europe to another AND back in less than a turn - and thus cannot be shown) and have shorter turns in later years. Brandon von Every, posting in usenet,
has shown that this will not work.

There are only four options
1. Give up on including war or unit movement at all, (and even drop diplomacy, which in real life tends to happen fast, not in 5 year segments) and make the game only about economics and research ( an even more abstract imperialism) A vast historical simulation, but hardly a game.

2. Allow for thousands of turns> Again, forget about a playable or commercially feasible game.

3.Swallow hard and accept the unrealistic physics (the civ2 solution)

4. Model a much shorter time period (the EU solution)

Lord of the Mark

I was in this long protracted war with the americans, and after 40 years, they finally deigned to talk to me. since I have the UN, that means a peace offer. I accepted their offer of peace, considering some more peaceful domination, and did not attack the rest of the turn.
during their turn, the ugly americans sneak attacked, destroyed a fledgling city, and then came to talk without my turn even coming up! I refused, of course, but the senate overruled me and signed the peace treaty!?!?!

so the americans were able to attack, do damage, and declare peace (along with those traitors in the senate) all on their own turn without giving me a chance to retaliate!!!!

- seeing my tank unit destroy by musketers.

- trade system (I could take hundreds of years to send a caravan to a foreign cities) : it gives not enought gold compared the efforts it cost.

- Unit are far toooo slow. An attack on cities could take hundreds of years (siege & final strike).

- The aggressivity and the lack of honesty of the IA. U make a little offense, and millenium after they always to trust you...

- Nuke cnnot detonate at will.

That is when the leader goes insane kills everyone in the senate and declares himself the new Holy Emperor of the Republic.