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paiktis22
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I know I have not! I was wondering if anyone (who is still «able» to lose to the AI) has played untill each and every one of their cities was conquered and has watched the bad ending sequence. (I've only seen it through Media Player! I retire when my end is apparent).
Does tha AI get more human and let you regroup when you lose massively?
finbar
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I've never lost to the AI , but I can guarantee you the AI certainly won't get any nicer as they grind you into the dirt.

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i think i can remeber the AI taking my one and only city once. this was a bitter though short end. and yes, i saw the movie

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I don't remember if I ever kept playing, I've mostly played OCC games for as long as my forgetful brain allows
Ken Hinds
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As a frequent Deity AI doormat I am very familiar with the Loser.AVI movie. Most of the time it is the barbarians that do me in.

Ken

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The AI has put me under some pressure but never to the point were I thought I might lose and I never have, so I never played to the bitter end.

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I do.

And, yes, I've seen that damned movie more often than I like.

It's bloody endless and there seems to be no way of cutting it short - a sort of punishment, I think.

It's kind of satisfying though, to hang on by your finger nails for a bit and then manage to survive to the end - or even turn the tables on the bastards!

The AI is not as ruthless as a human opponent would be.

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Another one here that has seen it. Both against the AI (in OCC I think) and in MP.

It's too long!

Carolus

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Yep, I've seen it when I've been playing OCC.

I wish there was some way to skip through the movie, and not have to watch it - by that stage, I KNOW I've lost - DON'T RUB IT IN!!!

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Only once was I totally annihilated by the AI. You see, I deployed my lonesome warrior and were set upon by a Raging Barbarian on de horsey upon entering a nearby hut.

After that experience I was traumatized and swore to never again watch that movie.

Smokey tha nuke man
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the very first time i played on deity, i got my only city taken over by the barbarians on the 6th turn. but i can't remember the last time i got conqured by the ai, but sometimes they beat me to ac.
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paiktis22
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[quote]Originally posted by Smokey tha nuke man on 01-17-2001 04:49 PM
the very first time i played on deity, i got my only city taken over by the barbarians on the 6th turn. .

That's the closest I got to witnessing the unskippable movie of punishment!

Emperor level: first city, first warrior, first hut - barbarian. He kills my warrior and heads straight for my capital.
I was waiting for the Coupe de Grace the next turn, but instead of capturing my defenceless capital he just happily wandered off

I guess he was not interested

Marko_Polo
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quote:

Originally posted by paiktis22 on 01-17-2001 05:55 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Smokey tha nuke man on 01-17-2001 04:49 PM
Emperor level: first city, first warrior, first hut - barbarian. He kills my warrior and heads straight for my capital.
I was waiting for the Coupe de Grace the next turn, but instead of capturing my defenceless capital he just happily wandered off

I've read somewhere in these threads that barbs never take your capitol if it's the only city you have.. the same doesn't apply to AI civs though Can someone confirm this?

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Against the AI I get bored with a game around the time I get tanks. It's just a matter of time now.

In MP I play until things go bad. Than I say f* this, throw the pieces on the floor, reboot and post on Apolyton how the other person cheated thier ass off.

So what, I'm a poor sport. This is why I hate MP. I like to win!!! This is probably why the AI is so poor. It makes for a more popular game.

Albert B
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quote:

Originally posted by Marko_Polo on 01-18-2001 07:38 AM
I've read somewhere in these threads that barbs never take your capitol if it's the only city you have.. the same doesn't apply to AI civs though Can someone confirm this?


I don't know about the barbs, but the AI certainly will capture your capitol/only city. I usually send out my first one or two military units to explore before deciding to defend my capitol. On occasion, my scouts will go one way and a nearby civ will be the other. The next thing you know, an AI warrior or phalanx will come wandering out of the dark and oops... good bye Albert's civ...

Albert B

Paul
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You are not entirely correct about barbs not taking your capitol if it's the only city. They will walk into your capitol if it's undefended, but they will not be able to kill or even damage defenders of your capitol/only city.
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Originally posted by Paul on 01-18-2001 11:53 AM
You are not entirely correct about barbs not taking your capitol if it's the only city. They will walk into your capitol if it's undefended, but they will not be able to kill or even damage defenders of your capitol/only city.

are you sure. i remeber seeing my only city defender of my only city getting killied by barbs.
but they left to go attack some horsemen unit i had charging.

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War4ever
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If your only city is your capital..... the barbs no matter what they send and no matter what you defend with will always fail... however weird anomolies do occur AI on the other hand has no such limitations
zyxpsilon
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To the bitter end?
Certainly, once i opened a brand new box into which there was a shiny CD.
Then i installed the game.
Fiddled a little with the printed material, read a few paragraphs.
Then, i said... what the heck... let's try a FIRST time.
Bing, bam, boom, SEVEN civ's were after me with their catapults, red barbarians comin' out of nowhere too!
But i got back to them a few days later!!

It's nice to let AI's conquer an empire(??) that belongs to an amateur, unexperienced, donno how it works, but it's fun, player.

It happened to me ONCE... for real. And many times after that... for fun.

"FOR" the bitter end!
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paiktis22
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quote:

Originally posted by zyxpsilon on 01-19-2001 08:40 PM
player.

So you can read-speak some greek huh?

Darkknight
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first time i played civ2 i played it on deity just to see i died after i built 3 cities and found two other civs on my medium to large island i still remember sniff sniff.i then went to medium and progressed up to deity where i was pretty sure of winning but then CTP2 came out only time i've ever lost in civ2 i did the same in civ with the first game i played.

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Scouse Gits
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Paiktis, I thought that 'punter' was a better translation?
There seems to be some evidence from these boards that the invincible defender of the only city works only on the PC - Mac users have frequently had their capitals wogged by Barbs...

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First time I played Civ...
After a few turns, a Roman chariot strolled up to my capital (and only city) and demanded something... I said no. Game over

Never again after that...

paiktis22
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quote:

Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 01-22-2001 05:40 AM
Paiktis, I thought that 'punter' was a better translation?

I am impressed

The exact translation of paiktis is in fact player but:

since to most of the unenlightened world a «paiktis or player» is the one who plays lucky games and gambles (in opposite of paying CIV for example ) paiktis has acquired the meaning of punter as well. Exact translation of punter would be joyathoros, although this is argo (slang in english?).


Ming I remember my very first game of CIV 1! I remember admiring all these little icons of chariots and catapults that came next to my cities thinking how nice they looked...

Scouse Gits
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OK - I give in - how do you transliterate 'joyathoros'? I have never seen a 'j' in a Greek word before!

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paiktis22
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Ôæïãáäüñïò. If your machine supports the greek alphabet.

Tzogadoros if it doesn't.

J does not exist in one letter in the greek alphabet (as opposed to psi, ksi etc) and is produced as a combination of t and z.

BUT: the pronunciation of letters such as «g» and «d» is much more «heavy» in the latin, euro-indian (german) based european languages in comparison to greek.

Instead «d» (delta) in greek is pronounced as the «th» in the english word «then». And «g» (gamma) is also pronounced lighter in greek as the «y» in the english word «yearn» for example.

I am pleasently surprised that you'd ask me that! Did you have ancient greek in your school or what? Although that was a long time ago since you were a pupil as I understand

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Yes - many many moons ago when the world was young I briefly studied Classical Greek - Demotic Greek is I fear a closed book to me and 'argo' (argot in English) is completely beyond me ...
so have I finally got it right - TzogadoroV ? Forgive me if I have the wrong symbol for the terminal Sigma ...

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... and while we are reminiscing - my first game of Civ went wonderfully - my cities prospered - they had all the good things of life like Libraries, Temples, Marketplaces - it was the best of times.

And then the Mongol Armour appeared ...

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Once I played an entire game staying small and not trying to win. I just wanted to see how the other Civs acted w/o me to pummel them. I played on Earth and only had five cities. Two in Japan and three in Australia. It was pretty cool. The Aztecs launched their spaceship and won the game.

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paiktis22
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quote:

Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 01-24-2001 06:04 AM
Yes - many many moons ago when the world was young I briefly studied Classical Greek - Demotic Greek is I fear a closed book to me and 'argo' (argot in English) is completely beyond me ...
so have I finally got it right - TzogadoroV ? Forgive me if I have the wrong symbol for the terminal Sigma ...


It's absolutely right. The final Sigma in
greek words is the same as the latin «s».
By the way, you should really work for firaxis as a game tester. The exhaustive tests you have conducted in CIV 2 are really impressive.

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Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 01-24-2001 06:04 AM
I briefly studied Classical Greek - Demotic Greek is I fear a closed book to me

Well, if you can remember some classical greek you have an advantage if you visit Greece since 70% of the words in demotic (or modern) greek are the same. Especially the nouns but less the verbs.
Still the syntax has changed SO much that a whole sentence in modern greek would be very hard to understand although you could still get some of the words.

A english friend of mine actually amazed me when we first met since he could understand almost half of what I was saying in greek. He KNEW (and I mean to the point of near perfection) ancient greek and he would answer me in ancient greek too! and I'd understand half of it and so on. After some mintues though we always switched to english, otherwise the conversation would take too long

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It's the modern spelling that more than anything else defeats me - keeping things on topic, Bar should become Bar it took me far to long to discover that I should have been looking for an "Umpah" (Mpar)!!

Thanks for the plug - but SG(2) does far more testing work than I.

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paiktis

For a century or two in England the study of the classics (Greek and Latin) was considered essential for all (or, at least, all men) who aspired to be considered cultured (Scotland is rather different, having always been more open to modern continental European influence).

Study of the languages themselves were part of this but it also extended to study of the great classical writers, art, architecture and ancient history.

The SGs and I are of an age and this entrenched position of the classics was declining towards its end when we were young men. I had to sit (and fail, I am afraid) a paper in Latin if I wanted a place at Cambridge University whatever subject I then wished to study there. But I was one of the last to face that requirement. I struck luckier with legal qualifications - the requirement for Latin had gone by the time I was seeking to qualify.

Greek and Latin continued to be extensively taught in our public schools (that is schools only open to those who can afford to pay fees) right up until quite recently. But even there I believe it is now rare.

Classics faculties in our universities are closing for lack of students.

The civil service used to harbour many who had chosen to continue their studies of the classics at University. I have to say it did seem to produce administrators of some stature. They could, at least, be counted on to know how to express themselves. And to intimidate politicians at need.

For some reason those who taught classics, whether at school or university, were particularly likely to be rather eccentric. The type is well represented in our literature. Some were very endearing folk with a great enthusiasm for their subject. Some were just horrid.

Latin was always considered much the easier of the two languages - for reasons that your exchanges with SG(1) make clear. He'll not admit to it, I'm sure, but if he did much more than rudimentary Greek at school his teachers probably considered him one of the brighter lads.

As one who is no linguist I have never known who to envy more, the person who can converse fluently in their own language with modern flesh and blood folk in the here and now, or someone who can read Aristotle or Pliny or Aristophanes.

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Originally posted by East Street Trader on 01-26-2001 06:38 AM
Latin was always considered much the easier of the two languages - for reasons that your exchanges with SG(1) make clear. He'll not admit to it, I'm sure, but if he did much more than rudimentary Greek at school his teachers probably considered him one of the brighter lads.

My italics - and whyever not, EST!
As a product of the public school system (as a scholar in fact) I had rudimentary Classical Greek, a full year's (Caesarian) Latin and gained my place at Cambridge by demonstrating competence in two Modern Languages (French & German) so as to read Mathematics. It was, in fact, the mathematics that encouraged / enabled me to maintain facility with the Greek alphabet - hence my comment on the terminal Sigma above - that came from Greek not from maths - for reference both my Greek and Latin vocabularies are lamentable - largely based upon pidgin English and that wonderful invention the online dictionary. My French is adequate, "Six bouteilles, s'il vout plait!" and my German (only ever practiced during my period as a research student as many of the papers in my field at that time were published in German) now virtually defunct.

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Originally posted by East Street Trader on 01-26-2001 06:38 AM
For some reason those who taught classics, whether at school or university, were particularly likely to be rather eccentric. The type is well represented in our literature. Some were very endearing folk with a great enthusiasm for their subject. Some were just horrid.


This is not a british only phainomenon. It's the same in Greece, their eccentricity is surpassed only by their passion for their field of study! It is depicted very clearly in (modern) greek literature as well.

Every now and then there are heated discussions as to «how much» ancient greek should be taught in the greek schools. Dark forgotten in the past voices echo from the forests saying too little is «betreaying our tradition and impoverish our modern language» and the cold 21th century technocrats point out that most of this school time should be better used teaching computer. The answer I think is (as with most things) somewhere in the middle.

SG, when in Greece instead of going to a Ìðáñ (that you have propably visited in your homeland - they're pretty much the same) is better to go to a teverna where you drink as much but the food is also excellent (AVOID TOURIST RESORTS when trying this - ask a local!)

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aHEM!

My only Diety game (I only play SMAC now) with Civ was a wild ride. I started out as the Romans, as usual. I quickly expanded my borders to be about the same as the Byzantine Empire and stopped. BIG mistake. I was soon boxed in by the Vikings from the north, the Egyptians from the South, The English from the west, the Chinese from the east. I quietly kept to myself, except for a war with the Vikings that never officially ended. I built up my cities well, my capital Christantinople was the finest city on Earth, until the Sioux took over. The Sioux came in hoards aganst the Egyptians and Engish, who had been at war for hundreds of years. The weakened empires fell quickly to the Sioux. The English were driven from the British Isles, Africa, and Greenland. Suprisingly one of their last cities was deep in Sioux territory. It fell leaving only one city on the east coast of Africa. While this was happening my country was being overrun by the superior weapons of the Sioux and the shear numbers on the Vikings. I sent out a transport to Australia, right under the dying Chinese Empire. I made four cities by the time my last home cities were conquered. I had pillaged them before then. My last four cities prospered for a while until the Sioux built the Apollo Program, ending my cities secret. I escaped to Madagascar where I lived out my days near the Egyptians until they took my last city. It was 2230 C.E.

Cannes
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Jan 2001
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hehe That's quite cool. I never play to the end if I can see that there is no possible way that I can regain the lost terrain... I do hang on for quite a while, but when it gets beyond hopeless I start over...

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