I get a "gg*.spr not found" message and ctp closes

One strange thing I noticed(and this also happened in the last game I played with the old beta). None of the A1 players built Sphinx. Both games in which this occurred were on regular size maps with 4 other civs. I can't recall the nationality of the A1 civs off hand, but should it matter?

Every other wonder was snatched up as soon as it was available. (I purposely didn't build it myself in one of the games and, sure enough, someone discovered Age of Reason, and noone had built it).

Also, I had tried to start a thread about this awhile back, but I didn't get any responses. Can nukes be loaded onto subs, missle cruisers, etc.? I'm pretty sure this was a feature in the original game, but in a game I actually played that deep into with one of the med betas I was unable to do so.

overall: awsome stuff!!!
I think we should rename it to Apolyton Pack v2 and get done with the suggestions for one

Wes, in my game the first line of the title says "Medieval Pack 3.0 -The Renaissance. One small click for players, one giant leap for" and then "CtP gameplay" comes on the second line, overlapping the mod's description.

If you keep getting these crashes the only thing I can suggest is that you try to uninstall and reinstall CTP. In the "CTP and patches" thread Skorpion59 suggests that you should play the game at least once and reboot your computer before installing patches; maybe that could help?

The Med mod installs its own aidata files in the default CTP folder, overwriting the originals. So if you play a default game of CTP it will still use the Med mod AI files which include the new units and other stuff for the Med mod. I tried this on my own computer and it would also crash just like yours.

Thanks for the help guys. The game is running fine now and looks great.

Just a post here about my current game, which is pretty different from your typical game.
I was going to be real brave at the outset of the game, and place myself in the middle of a large, arching continent, with an AI on either side of me, and an isthmus to the continent of a third AI in the northwest of my territory.
Well, I drew the Hebrews and Indonesians as my neighbors on the continent, and they have both *loved* me the entire game. I have an alliance with the Hebrews (a mistake, since they have units all over my territory, including some chokepoints, forcing me to build alternate road routes around them), and I have excellent relations with the Indos, in spite of the fact that the Indos built the Forbidden City (this was the first time I can remember that relations had not deteriorated to the point of war when a civ built this wonder).
The Hebrews have bought a trade good from me, and a have bought two from the Indos, who have not pirated these routes once, again a first I believe. These examples really point out how Nordicus' diplomacy half of the AAips have affected the game.
I am at war with the civ with whom I have the isthmus connention with, the Mexicans, and have been at war on and off with the other two civs in the game, the Zulus and Russians. I am gradually conquering the Mexicans, though it has not been easy. The AIs will attack targets of opportunity, like if I leave a unit or two near to one of their troop concentrations. The Russians also landed six units on my home territory once, declared war the next turn, and later used these units to wipe out a small stack I had sent to engage them. The Mexicans once wiped out a stack of seven Jav Cavs and Horse Archers I had sent on a deep raid into their home territory with Bombards and Musketeers, again showing excellent tactical decisions.

I just fired 4 cruise missiles at an enemy city and got the error "no object id", something like that anyway. They were fired from a stealth sub.

Can you please advise or correct this error.

The modern mod would fix one of the problems I have had with ctp- the lack of any separate groups of units for the 20th century. It seems strange going from SOTL's to jet fighters. I've just always thought that there should be a group of units and such for the first half of the century and another for the second half. After all, warfare now is quite different from how it was just 50 years ago.

I've also spent awhile myself adding a few advances, units, and so on to add another 'period' to ctp (added to the med mod, of course). It was a quick job, I'm sure the unit values and so on aren't balanced right. I did add the units to the ai files, but didn't add the advances, instead making them required before the key first futuristic advances (mainly space flight). By the way, is there a quicker way to adds units and so on to the ai files? It is a real pain having to edit each main ai file unit list (cleric, slaver, etc.) one by one.

In other news, I spent about three hours today combing the bowels of the flis and aips (lovely imagery, ain't it). I re-read about all of CD's comments during this time, which I had not done in far too long. Did you know that about half the code blocks contained in the Inputs fli are NOT USED by any of the other files? Included in this are about all of the blocks that I had spent time adjusting the last few weeks.

My biggest adjustment to the files was in the following code block...Background: Units and buildings are given equal priority when build troops is "on". When they are off, troops have a lower priority. I had noticed that the AIs were spending large portions of their production on units by the Industrial Age. I hoped to find a setting to get them to disband units more than they currently do, but was unsuccessful.

Original:if((i_am_stronger_2x_to_4x_than_strongest_human
or i_am_stronger_2x_to_4x_than_strongest)
and not_ancient_time
and zero_at_war
and not yes_focus_on_units )
{
yes_build_troops_off_aip
}

New:if((i_am_stronger_1halfx_plus_than_strongest_human
or i_am_stronger_1halfx_plus_than_strongest
or costly_army_pcr
or ouch_army_pcr
or slow_slow_science) //Edited by TLL: WW added army_pcr & sci
and not yes_few_cities //WW replaced ancient time with few cities
and zero_at_war
and not yes_focus_on_units )
{
yes_build_troops_off_aip
}

Now, this block is not easy to follow, but this is what "should" happen: If
1)The AI is the stonger than the strongest human, or strongest AI, by 50%, OR
2)The percent of produciton spent on units is above 20, OR
3)The number of turns to the next discovery is above 6, AND
4)They have 12 or more cities, AND
5)Are not at war with anyone, AND
6)Their ratio of units to cities is greater than 2.5, THEN
Turn units off (give them a lower priority then buindings).
Welcome to the wonder world of flis. (And yes, I *should* get paid for this.)

Improvements upon old code block:
1)CD made the change from twice as strong to 1.5x as strong as the best human, and added best AI as well.
2)The inputs of how costly the AIs army was, which I had spent time adjusting lately, were not used *anywhere*, it turns out. I had wondered why my adjustments were not affecting anything; well, they should now.
3)Ditto for turns to next advance. I spent a lot of time looking into having the AI adjust worker placement based upon this setting as well, but ultimately decided that it was too complicated.
4)I had adjusted the "few_cities" setting last week in an attempt to get the AI to expand a little more than it was currently, only to find out that this block was unused as well. Well, at least now *something* is using it.
5)The original block specified "not ancient time" for when to use this block, which meant after the first 120 turns. It made more sense to me to go by how many cities the AI had, since units includes settlers. When an AI has trouble with unit support, it is always when it can no longer expand, so the block kicks in now only after the civ has enough cities to survive in a normal-sized map game.
The last two settings made sense, after I tracked down exactly how the unit focus setting was used, so they were left alone.

In other findings...
The "green me" aip was not loaded by anywhere, which greatly surprised me. When AIs sign an eco-pact their pollution *does* go down, but I don't know if it is because of shifts in worker placement, or what. Anyway, I have now added a line to load this aip. I will check to see what effect it has.

Finally, I read the README text file that accompianied the game, and noticed that almost half the aips listed in it that are not included in the game! Below is the file's list, and I have noted the absentees. Some of the files not included were probably absorbed into some of the other aips, but a few really stood out to me.

fallback.aip -
gather.aip -
getarmy.aip -
**gohome.aip -
**gotohim.aip -
highdist.aip -
**impatient.aip -
**islandsettle.aip -
**killarmy.aip -
**leavehome.aip -
**limited_explore.aip -
lowdist.aip -
**manycaravans.aip -
masssettle.aip -
naval.aip -
no_settle.aip -
nosally.aip -
noscience.aip -
**patient.aip -
**pulse.aip -
**runfromhim.aip -
sally.aip -
supernaval.aip -
survival_mode.aip -
takecity.aip -
**transport.aip -
**twosettlers.aip -
**unlimited_explore.aip -
**verypatient.aip -
yes_settle.aip

The ones that stood out to me were "killarmy", which I was looking for earlier today; and "gotohim", "leavehome" and "transport", which I believe would have instructed the AI in how to conduct amphibious invasions with large forces. We can only hope that the programmers have figured out how to get these files to work for CtP2.

Did Nordicus add those in when you guys did aaip's?

That's interesting about that greem_me aip file. I never noticed that it was never set to load when yes_i_agreed_to_stop_polluting. I wonder if that was an error on activisions part or if it's handled some other way. Interesting anyway.

e.g. I believe they don't use Cruise Missiles?

I would just like to know because I would like to play as fair as possible game with the AI. I don't believe I saw anything like this mentioned in the documentation.

Also, while I'm here, how can a play a map in save game style and still be using the Med Pack rules and units etc? e.g. I want to use the World Maps by Zaz (I think thats who did them). Also, aren't these maps meant to be packaged with Med Pack? I couldn't find them anywhere. Perhaps I'm just wrong and blind

I'm having two little problems with the Med Mod...

1) Whenever one of my cities builds a Wonder, any other city building a Wonder shuts down as if it was building the same Wonder, and I have to begin building it again (but I don't lose any production). Not a major thing, but can be a pain.

2) I'm still not getting my information pop-ups coming in right; they keep saying stuff like "You're fourth out of [num of civs]" or "Science; [num. rank of civ] out of [total num. of civ]". What file controls this, and how can I fix it? I thought it was me, but I just did a complete dump and reload (with MM 5.0 beta) and it still crops up.

As far as I know, and I should know, the Cruise Missile is the only unit that the AI doesn't use (and so I don't use it either). The AI uses all of the buildings and wonders.
The game was shipped without the National Shield or Fascists being in any of the AI queues, but I have put them in.

John, that is disturbing news about the Wonders. I beleive that I have had two Wonders going at once in a recent game, and have had no problems. I will check it, though.
I have noticed that something has changed in regard to Wonders; it did this about a month ago, I guess. If you were constructing a wonder, and another city completed it, you could simply continue to produce the wonder, thereby keeping your production stored, until you changed it manually. Now, if you do not change the city to producing something else on the first turn after the wonder gets built, you lose your stored production. I figured that this was how the game was *supposed* to work all along, so I haven't worried about it until now.

Btw, I forgot to mention in my last post that my foray into the flis yesterday taught me a lot about what to change for the large maps/ large civs versions of the modpack. I hope to have this version ready for the initial public release as well.

The game is working very fine - even with my own "homemade small" mods added.

Wes (and others involved in this),
WOW!!!

I actually haven't played single-player CTP for almost 6 months. I'm involved in 3 PBEMs (for my CTP fix) and had been playing 'Pharaoh' and 'Alpha Centauri' recently. With the upcoming release of CTP2, I decided to give CTP a few more turns around the block. I was enjoying AC (though only playing it fot the past 3 weeks), but getting back to CTP made me realize how much I prefer it over AC. I had downloaded MedMod4 recently and had started a game last weekend, but found out that Wes had released MedMod5, so I downloaded/reinstalled it 2 nights ago, and started a new game.

I'm playing on Emperor, with 8 civs. I managed to get lucky and get a settler out of a goody hut in the first couple of turns. I also got a slaver stack out quickly and got my capitol to pop. size 8 - the next largest city is 4. I beat all other civs to Colossus and am working on Stonehenge now. I am currently in second/third, and just got a message that my science rate is the fastest.

The new units/wonders/advances really add depth to the game, though none of the other civs (I had contact with 2 others) are too friendly to me.

Some questions regarding the game though,

Is the difference between Emperor and Deity in MedMod the same as in the default game? It has been said that the only challenge in CTP was on Deity level. Of course, I did get a good start my current game though...

Regarding terrain, I have a couple of Plains tiles with goods on them. One has cotton, the other has something else (the type of good escapes me at the moment). Both tiles do not have any improvements nor rivers, but the cotton plains tile is worth more production. Is this because of the type of good on it?

I'm glad that you eliminated the production in the sea tiles, as it never made sense to me that you would have production in those tiles in the first place (especially in the early game). I didn't rush out and settle coastal tiles as I normally do. And finally, swamps are worth something.

Regarding mines on forests - that is also good. Those, in combo with Forges, make for a potent early combination - does the AI put a priority on building them?

Does the Militia count as a military unit within a city tile? Does this mean that I can only have an additional 8 units stacked within a city? I noticed that one on my slaves revolted when my slaver city only had the militia unit in it. Is this normal?

I do wonder about the Militia unit in terms of game balance, because this allows the aggressive human player to launch military stacks out into the field a little quicker. A free defender means an additional attacker can be built. But if the AI is able to stack and launch military forces more effectively, then maybe it was needed. One of the problems I had with the unmodified CTP game was this lack of military aggressiveness on the part of the AI.

A couple of points:

1) The helicopter is supposed to have 5 turns of fuel and it crashes after 2. I imagine you just have to increase the fuel number in the unit file to fix that.

2) I noticed in the improvement file that the cost on the airport was reduced significantly. This makes it way to cheap for a pretty good improvement(IMO). In my current game even average cities were building it in 3 or 4 turns.

3)Refering to the post above by Hex, mining of forests IS good... for the human player. It is a real advantage(perhaps even a game unbalancer) because the A1 does not do it.(Although as Wes mentioned once, the A1 will mine a forest tile with a trade good occasionally).

4) With the game as it currently is, i.e. no Modern Mod on top of the Med Mod, I would suggest increasing the science required for advancements in the modern and future era. I've found that after enjoying the rich and challenging early, medievil, and renaissance periods the game is just a quick race through advances(2 to 5 turns per) without the time to use the new techs before they become obselete.

A note to Hex: unless you are new to the game, playing on anything other than Deity level is probably a waste of time(in terms of a challenge).