Nope, sorry. You can't check wages with SLIC. But I think it should be possible (To Activision: *hint* *hint* ). I carefully studied all my SLIC-documentation and I couldn't see any way to calculate how much gold will be needed the next turn. So I'm afraid it's just not possible (unless Don has something interesting to say about this, he's supposed to have some SLIC-info no-one else has, but I wouldn't count on it).

About the nine-units thing. I don't think I have actually tested that (not sure though, I've got a memory like a sieve ), but I'm sure I did have similar situations and there I just didn't get extra units (in this case, militias). So none of your normal units will be killed and the game won't crash or anything, but I'll check to be sure.

I made some changes to the aips, pertaining to which Wonders the respective types go after. I tried to set it so that at least one type will emphasize each of them. I set the Clerics to go after Stonehenge and the Aqueduct, to offset Theocracy's food liability.

I changed the effect of rivers so that they always add 5 food, and never any production. This should benefit cities which get stuck in rugged terrain, where the food means much more then the production would. Thanks to Tim for pointing this out, as well as the Cleric changes.

I reduced the amount of science cost added for each advance discovered from 25 to 15. I haven't tested this yet, but some adjustment is necessary with all the advances added. The advances progression was really lagging by the end of the Ancient age, before recovering during the Renaissance. This should smooth things out.

Boy, you're gone a few days and the whole world (Apolyton anyways) passes you by.

Nope, the wages thing can't be done. The main reason is because of what Paul said. You can't just multiply population by wages. You also have to take maintenace, crime(unhappiness) and the enemy into consideration. Because of all the variables involved, CtP doesn't even do this.

At the end of each turn, Starvation(food), Maintenance(gold) and Support(production) are checked. There is 3 settings near the bottom of the const.txt file which you can set to specify the conditions in which these messages get triggered. You might try changing these to try to account for all the variables.

Hit F2 and bring up the Civ Status screen. Click on the top Production button (grey cog ?), middle Gold button (gold G) and bottom Food button (piece of bread) to open each individual screen. For the rest of the game, the 3 new screens will stay open and be available when you hit F2. These screens break everything down so you know what you are getting and where it is going. If you will check these screens periodically, you should start to get a basic feeling for how the 3 const.txt entries should be modified.

WesW,
How big is the graphics file going to be, 6m-8M? Keep in mind, a lot of people outside the US pay a Per-Minute phone charge. If it was in small enough chunks, they could download at work/university, put it on floppies and take it home.

I plan to play a quick game with just the patches to get used to the interface, and then go straight to Med Mod 3. Is that reasonable, or should a CTP newbie like me wait for it to be play-tested some more, and start with the already-released mods?

quote: Originally posted by WesW on 04-19-2000 07:14 PM I still remember one guy that posted a few months ago, who said that he had been playing the game for a week, and he *still* couldn't figure out how to get his settlers to build roads.

LOL! I must have missed that one.

jed, I understand that OCC (One City Challenge) is a very popular thing in CivII and just a few days ago someone remarked that OCC just doesn't work in CtP because the AI is just too good. That says it all if you ask me

Is there no picture in the graphics download, or did I mess up the installation somewhere (quite possible with my track record)?

Yep, 1.44MB and Locutus is entirely correct. I use zip programs to span multiple diskettes all the time. However, being in the business, I can tell you most people don't have a clue how to do that. They are doing good to even figure out how to get a file on a diskette (or just move one on a hard drive for that matter). I try to think on the lowest common denominator but forget to sometimes. Fortunately, I can remember well how confused I was when I first started learning CP/M and then DOS.

Btw, I found out from Tim that you need some more tgas for the mod to work properly, so I added them to the "new tgas" file at my site. They are for the last 2 new Wonders, plus I added the ones for the Ironclad. I really hope this is the last glitch; it's beginning to get embarrassing.

Note that the gl texts are not made and/or updated for the mod, so that its info is usually incorrect. You need to go by the advances chart, which I hope everyone is able to print out. The tgas for the new advances are ready, and I will include them when I update the graphics pack with Morgoth's updated sprites.
Also, a couple of the slic triggers don't work properly, namely the ones which upgrade the militias and add extra ones based on city size. Locutus said that he will work on these, so hopefully this can be fixed by the time some of the other aspects of the mod are fine-tuned.

(1) after a slow start I really started flying through the advances. you may want to increase the sci needed to advance. I think that this is due somewhat to the forge(which along with the mill should be turned down to +25% production), but mostly due to the new terain values, which brings me to ...

(2) the forest tiles have become way to strong in gold with the new values and the ability to mine them. I know in the terain readme you observe that with the original values oceanside cities were much stonger than interior cities, and I agree. this is logical, though, as nearly 100% of the major cities around the world are near an ocean, river, or other major body of water. With the new values it is hard to develop oceanside cities unless there are forests or mountains nearby. I would suggest returning the values for all ocean tiles and especially forests and jungles to their original settings(but still allow forests and jungles to be mined). Also why not have the "tropical grassland" tiles have 5 prod and only 10 food to differentiate them a little from grasslands.(They could still be farmed, of course.) These changes would (a) decrease the gold(and therefore science) a little and (b) return the pendulum back towards oceanside cities somewhat, while interior cities would still be superior to what they were with the "out of the box" settings.(I know I could easily make these adjustments on my own if I feel so strongly about it, but I really think it would help the overall game balance, especially the forest tile getting 20 prod, 5 food, and 10 gold, (after a mine) which is VERY strong in the early part of the game).

(3) In the past, playing both the original game and CD's mod I am pretty sure that when you enslaved a foriegn unit it would send the slave to the nearest city that had the necessary garison units to watch over the slave(s). This is not always happening with this mod(i.e. I am getting a fifth slave in city with only 2 garrison units). I can't remember this function not working correctly when I was playing with the 2.1 beta you released a couple of weeks ago, so I wonder if it is related to the new militia triggers not working properly. I will certainly retest this when they are fixed .

(4) I preferred the original way that Galileo's telescope worked. I guess if there is no way to make the A1 build scientists in the city where it is built, though, you might as well leave it the way you have it now.

(5) I doubt there is any way to fix this, but the A1 is still not stacking their units outside cities making it embarrasingly easy to enslave unit after lone unit.

(6) I like the adjustments on the pollution modifiers you made, but I would also go ahead and erase the pollution modifiers for the "futuristic" advances, such as cultural advancement 3 and physics advancement 10 which also will cause the negative pollution bug(if anyone actually makes it that far).

As far as the slaves being sent to cities w/out necessary garrison. I also noticed that militias do not count as slave supressors, and a slave will not be sent to a city with only militia. My problem was, for example, I had 19 slaves in one city(where the max should be 16, given one militia and 8 garrison units). In the several turns that there was too many slaves, they never revolted, which could just be luck, but it seemed strange. I'll start another game and see how this works.

You may be right about the "single units" roaming around an A1 city that I was at war with. I was playing on diety level, but had forgotten to increase the time slice numbers for the A1 turn length on my older computer, and I'm not exactly sure what you mean by un-modified map.

Also, there is another bug in the mod, which involves the Colossus. I have added the necessary tga to the "new tgas" file at my site. Or, you can go into the pictures folder, and change cw051f to cw042f.

I'm here again.

Would you consider some little tiny changes in the units.txt?

Make aircraft carrier able to load small_air, med_air and small_space.

Make all aircrafts small or med.

Triple the value the aircraft carrier can take before it's going down.

Why?

The aircraft carrier are more or less useless as it is now.

With the changes, it's very valueable - specially when you play on very big maps as I do.

Now I play on a brandnew Athlon 650 with a Woodoo 3000 graphic card and 196Meg RAM, the map size is 196x392, civs + babarians = 16).

This size makes some real "lovely" maps!!!

With an A650, on a game like that, how long does it take the AI to cycle through the other Civs?

All of the pictures were correct, but the actual sprite that you move around the map was still the same as the arquibruiser.

Tom, send in what you have for the Ironclad, and keep working on the waves. If you can get this worked out, and Locutus can get the SLIC triggers working properly, we will be set to put everything together for one last beta. Most all of the gl texts have come in these last few days, and the rest should be finished soon. Great work, guys!

The current pictures file should be the final version of that portion of the modpack as well, so those of you who haven't gotten it in the last few days can go ahead and do so now. John sent in a better pic of the Astrolabe yesterday, and I will bundle it with the Horse Archer if and when that file gets made.
Note: When you get these two files, please read the text accompanying them, which tells how to delete the files from the 2.1 version of the mod which cause the Musketeer to show up as the Arquebusier.