The improvements come from a variety of sources. Some are things that other creators here have developed over the last couple of months, others are the result of feedback from users, and a few things are my own ideas.

Among the smaller changes,
1)I have made Stoneworking the second preq for Domestication. This means Archers will come before Mounted Archers. (Thanks to John L. for his observation.)
2)I also made the Age of Reason a preq for Physics.
3)I have reduced the price of Fyrdmen from 240 to 180, with a similar reduction in support. I also corrected the name.
4)I may increase the ranged attack of Archers to 1.5, depending on what play-testing shows. (John and Madwooster brought this topic back up.)
5)I have also increased the vision range of Wormhole Probes from 1 to 3. (TheBirdMan had his feathers all ruffled up over this.)

If any of you think that other things could use some fine-tuning, this is the place to be heard!

Among the more significant changes,
1)I plan to use the new Bombard Morgoth is working on as an early cannon, like I did with the early Mouseketeer.
2)This will allow me to use the original Mouseketeer and Cannon as 18th century units, and therefore create a mini-upgrade cycle between the Ren. and Modern age units.
3)I may add some of the earliest advances that I had slated for the Modern mod, but first I want to see if this other stuff works correctly.
4)I plan on re-doing the unit build lists in the aips, like I did for the Mod mod. The original lists were cramped to begin with, and with the addition of all the new units from CD's mod as well as mine, there simply aren't enough of them to do the job, now.
5)I plan to include a version of Nordicus' Trade Goods mod, which combines his work with new goods with Pintello's discovery of how to insert added food and production bonuses into goods tiles. I think that this will add some color, diversity and thrill of discovery to the game. From some user comments, it also helps the AI perform better, which is always a good thing.
6)I plan to add some of the SLIC group's triggers to the mod.
a)One is the garrison trigger, which automatically builds a defensive unit within a city when it is founded. This eliminates those undefended AI cities which we take advantage of, and forces the AI to get some martial law effect, even when it doesn't want any.
b)A second trigger I am going to use is the auto-upgrade trigger. I will apply this to the garrison units, thus ensuring that you will be facing at least one current unit whenever you assault a city.
7)Depending on how play-testing goes, I may reduce unit costs further, and/or increase the numbers of sea and air units per city specified in the aips. I would like to see stacks of these units commonplace, which would add greatly to gameplay, imo. (See page 2 of the Med mod thread for a more detailed listing of what reduced costs can do for the game.)

There will also be some changes to the packaging of the mod.
1)Paul has been kind enough to go in, and re-name all the gl files for the mod, like he did for the Apolyton Pack. For those of you who have used previous versions of the Med mod, this means that you can delete all of the gl texts in the gl folder (except for the original zfs file, of course). This re-naming also got rid of a couple of hundred gls from CD's mod that I hadn't been using.
Note: if you switch from the Med mod to the Apolyton Pack, you will need to paste the gls from it back in the gl folder, since they all will no longer be in there if you do the deletion described above.
2) Don (Scorpion59) has been working hard on making maps for CtP, and I plan on using several of those that he has available.
3) The mod will come already combined with the Apolyton Pack, like it is at my site currently. This will allow you one-step installation, which will be a relief to all of us.
4) One downside to the mod is that it is can no longer be used with prior saved games, at least to my knowledge, which is pretty limited in this aspect.
An upside is that I can formally re-name the mod to version 2.2. Since I plan to combine it with the Apolyton Pack from the outset, I would like to call this the Medieval Mod 2.2 Pack, unless anyone objects.
Note: Proposed slogans for the mod are now being accepted!

From my repeated use of the words *I plan* above, you can see that very little of this has been done, except for all the hard work of others here. I don't know how long it will take to get this put together. (It's taken two hours to make this post.) However, this will allow everyone interested time to post their comments and suggestions.

Wheatin has wrote about Listening Posts/Radar (but not sonar?) under the tread Does anybody actually use radar?

Answer: Yes I do - and I have seen the AI also does it.

For your medieval mod 2.2: Pls re-read Wheatin contribution (I suppose you already have read it) and use his idea(s). I like them and will certainly try to increase the values for VISION_RANGE and RADAR_RANGE in my next game.

AND.

Pls. increase the pollution for space launching OR make it much harder to build the GAIA controller. As it is now, the GAIA is build before the first disaster occurs.

As to things that I'd add... I might add any of the Wonders that you've been working on (at least the Medieval and Ancient ones), and I gotta admit... I miss the Chariot and Elephant from Civ II. Also, is the Bombard the same as a Trebuchet? (I may have spelled this wrong...)

My slogan? "What took mankind nearly 7000 years to complete -- recreated by Wes in merely (fill in the blank, depending on when you finish this stuff!)!"

BTW, thanks for the credit. FYI, I'm John LeMaitre, but I changed my UserName when I found out that some of my students play Civ games. I'm trying to avoid getting unwanted e-mails all of the time! (Also, some of my views occasionally expressed on the forums do not gibe with those of the state I work for...! I don't have tenure yet!)

It sees all units.

No unit (except if in space, it seems) is invisible to radar (at least, to the GlobeSAT). Corporate branches, stealth submarines, Sea engineers, and infectors - it doesn't matter. They all show up. That said, you still have to go find them, either by bumping into them or using a unit with the appropriate vision ability, so an improvement that can see them would still be a bonus.

Birdman, my feelings about disasters are- Disasters suck! If the Gaia Controller is getting built before the first disaster occurs, that sounds great to me.
Btw, the changes we made to pollution are detailed in the AAip readme, so that you can set them to your own preferences if you like.

John, let me get this straight...You use CtP as a classroom example to your students, then you get mad when they want to talk about the game with you? That's very snobbish of you.
And remember, Big Brother *is* watching. (Or perhaps one of the little hellions. You decide which could cause you more trouble.)

Didn't you hear? The Inquisition is alive and well down here in Georgia...!

Besides, some students would prefer to e-mail me about topics other than CTP....

Next Sprite I intend to do is an Ironclad - and Katy still needs to do a bit more on her Mongol Horse archer.

Morgoth, no problem. Let me know when you get your stuff finished. I wouldn't mind having the Mongol and the Ironclad in addition to the others, if you get them finished time. Thinking about it, we could let the Cog stand in for the Ironclad during play-testing, in order to give you more time.

Well, so as not to turn this thread into an off-topic one, I was wondering if you'd be interested in incorporating some ideas I had about religion, especially in the ancient and medieval periods. One thing that I liked about Civ II (don't shoot!; I prefer CTP overall!) was that although cumbersome, trade was handled more realistically, as was religion (or at least better than in CTP). I'd like to see CTP become more than just another turn-based military game. The military is important, but beliefs, the arts, and the non-applicable sciences also made us what we are. I like the non-military CTP units, and think that they should be expanded upon, but lack the skill, knowledge, and software to do so. Tell me if you're interested, and I'll send you a whole BUNCH of junk!

I am going to add Magnetism, after Ocean Faring, and probably move the Galleon and East India Co. to this advance.
Also, I want to add something for the re-birth of literature that began with the Canterbury Tales, placed after Philosophy. Anybody have a suggestion for the name of this advance?
I would like to put in something either before or after Perspective, dealing with construction. Ideas are welcome here, as well.
I think I may put in the Astrolade before Optics, and the Chronometer after Ocean Faring.

I have talked with Nordicus in the past about adding some advances to represent the Age of Enlightenment, in addtion to those I had planned to add for the Mod mod.

Anyone interested, look over that section of the Mod mod thread, and let me know what you think should be added, and why.

I have decided to take Tim's suggestion, and call this mod the Medieval mod 3.0, since I am putting in some new things, like the SLIC triggers and the re-organized aip build lists.

I would like to take a little poll as to what you think the title of the mod should be. Since most of the new advances and units are post-Medieval, I think the title (which will appear at the top of the Readme) should either be:
1)Medieval Mod 3.0- The Renaissance or
2)Medieval Mod 3.0- The Age of Discovery

Also, I have finished configuring Nordicus's Trade Goods mod. Much thanks to Chuck (ETB) for his help, especially for writing all the gl files. (When you get the mod, be sure to check those out.) Below is a chart detailing the terrains, their goods, and the values of both.

Sheet3
This chart lists the terrain and goods values that are used in the Medieval mod 3.0
Here is a link to ETB's website, which has the chart in the html format it will have in the mod. http://www.duesouth.net/~scbryan/ctp/mmtgv.html

code:

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..........................Good1..............Good 2.............. Base 
Terrain.................. Gd Tr Fd Pd Prob.. Gd Tr Fd Pd Prob.. Gd Fd Pd 
Grassland (Rice, Tobacco)  0  5  5  0 0.50   0  10  0  0 0.50..  0 15  5 
Swamp (Spice, Peat) .......0.10. 0. 0.0.50.. 0 ..5 .0 10 0.25.. .0 15..5 
Plains (Wheat,Cotton) .....5..5..0..0.50...0 .5 0 10..0.25 ..0 10 10 
Forest (Silk, Apple) ......0 10 .0 .5.0.25.. 0 ..5 .5 .0.0.50.. .5 .5 15 
Jungle (Tea, Banana) ......0 .5 .5 .0.0.50.. 0 ..5 10 .0.0.25.. .5 .5 15 
Desert (Date, Oil) ........0 .5.10 .0.0.50.. 0 ..5 .0.15 0.25.. .0 .0 10 
Hill (Coffee, Grapes) .....0 .5 .5..0.0.50.. 0.10 ..5 .0.0.25....5. .5. 15 
Brown Hill (Copper, Silver)0  5  0 10 0.50.. 15 5...0 .5 0.25...5. .0. 15 
White Hill(Sapphire,Emerald)5.15 0..0.0.25.. 5 .15 .0 .0.0.25.. 5 ..0 .15 
Mountain (Coal, Gold) .....0 ..5 0 15.0.50.. 0 .15 .0. 5 0.50...5 ..0 .20 
Brown Mtn (Diamond, Iron) .5 .15 0 .0 0.50.. 0...5 .0 15.0.50.. 5 ..0. 20 
White Mtn (Bauxite, Ruby) .0 ..5 0.15.0.50.. 5 .15 .0 .0.0.50...5 ..0..20 
Tundra (Caribou, Oil) .....0 .5 10 .5 0.25.. 0 ..5..0 15.0.25.. 0 ..0...5 
Glacier (Seal, Walrus) ....0 10..5 .5 0.25.. 0 .10 .5 .5 0.25...0...0 ..0 
                            
Beach (Crab, Fish) ........0 .5 10..0 0.25.. 0 ..5 .5..0 0.75.. 5..10...0 
Shallow Water(Pearl,Lobster)0 10.5 .0 0.50.. 0 ..5 10..0 0.50...5..10...5 
Shelf (Salmon, Oil) .......0..5 10..0 0.50.. 0 ..5..0 15.0.25...5..10 ..5 
Deep Water (Whale, Tuna) ..0 .5..5.10 0.25.. 0...5.10..0.0.50...5...5..10 
Water Volcano(Diamond,Crab)0.15 .0..5 0.25.. 0 ..5 10..0 0.50..10 ..0 .45 
Water Rift ...................................................5 ...5 ..25 
Water Trench .................................................5 ...5 ..10 
Space  ....................................................0 ...0 ...0 

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As to your rebirth of literature, how about Prose. I know that Chaucer was actually poetry, but much of the later stuff wasn't.

The construction/perspective thing could be called The Arch or The Flying Buttress...?

I am also for the idea of making the advance chart as complex as possible, without being silly. For example, Evolution requires knowing Domestication, Age of Reason, and possibly Ocean Faring. It would help slow the game down, as far as technology goes, and prevent discovering Evolution without ever figuring out how to tame a horse! It might be needed to tweak the number of turns to get it to balance well, though.

FEUDALISM
MONOTHIESM
MAPMAKING
STEAM_ENGINE

And a "new" one (substitution for Radio):

Drama (as in CTP standard)

Sculpture
Requires Drama and Stone Working
Leads to Engineering
Wonder: The Maoi of Easter Island

Prose
Requires Writing, Drama
Leads to Mass Media and Perspective

Perspective
Requires Prose and Geometry
Leads to Flying Buttress, Bohemian Movement, and Electrification

Flying Buttress
Requires Perspective and Engineering
Leads to something....(I don't have my stuff with me!)
Improvement: Cathedral

Bohemian Movement
Requires Agnosticism and Perspective
Leads to Abstraction

Abstraction
Requires Bohemian Movement
Leads to Quantum Mechanics and Rock Music

Rock Music
Requires Bohemian Movement, Pharmecuticals
Leads to something....
Wonder: The Woodstock Festival
(Doubles war discontent, but Pharmacies now add +3 happiness)

Also, I have a few questions about the logic of a few of your values. Viola! Through the wonders of technology, your answers have magically appeared!

1) 15 food in a swamp seems high to me. If grassland is 15, swamp should be 5. I've spent a fair amount of time living next to a swamp - it would be tough to live in one!

Wes's Answer: I am using this mod as a continuation of my True Terrain mods. The readme to True Terrain 2 (found in the Med readmes folder) explains this.

2) Should diamonds have the same probability as Iron Ore? I would rather see Iron Ore up around 1 and diamonds around 0.2. Or, in other words, iron is 5 times as prevalent as diamonds.

Wes's Answer: I want the Mountain goods to all be powerful, to give people a tough choice about whether to go after them, even if the surrounding terrain really can't support a city. I created a random gigantic map, and didn't find a single diamond or ruby. I want the percentage high enough so that some of them are scattered around. There were lots of iron and bauxite.

3) Same for Bauxite and ruby. How about 1 for bauxite and .25 for ruby?

4) How about more caribou? Maybe set it at .5 or .75? The tundra is pretty inhospitable terrain, but there are (or used to be) a lot of caribou-type life on it!

Wes's Answer: I didn't want to waste very many goods tiles on the worst terrain, but when they did appear, I wanted them to be powerful, for similar reasons to the mountain goods.

5) Why do diamonds add 5 productivity to an undersea volcano?

Wes's Answer: Sharp eyes, there. By the time you can build undersea cities, I figured diamonds would be used commonly in industry, especially defense, so I figured to have a little fun, and put that in there.

OK, Q&A time is over. I hope this helps you as you finalize your trade goods values. At least it's some food for thought....

Ghen, the beanie baby wonder is hilarious!

Birdman (I might start calling *you* Woodstock!)
I added Chivalry and Theology to simulate Feudalism and Monotheism.
Mapmaking sounds good. I think I will try to get it in.
Steam Engine- already in for Mod mod, I am going to put it in here, as well.

John, according to the History Channel program I saw, Hull Making relates the Viking Longships, which reached Newfoundland.
Magnetism refers to Magellan and that era.

The Theory of Gravity came *after* Physics? I don't know, I am just asking.

Aero- already done for the Mod mod. I'll wait and see about how far along the timeline I want to go for this mod.

Sculpture and Drama sound good. How about another one called Scholasticism? Maybe we could put these around Philosophy, in the Medicine and Electricity lines.

Anyone know the history of Calculus? Seems like it should be in here somewhere.

I think I will add a Classical Music advance. As it is now, no one would ever know Bach or Beethoven existed.

There ought to be something to mark the contributions of Michelangelo and Di Vinci as well.

I agree about the music and arts stuff, although I think that individual artists should probably be wonders, not advances. (I was thinking of the Mona Lisa, myself.)
Opera, maybe? As to the math, I was thinking of Algebra as well, but don't know how they'd be used in game terms.

You're right about Magnetism; I meant that you need it before you can have Ocean Faring, and the Chinese had it long beforehand. Longships were before magnets.

Yeah, there was work being done in inertia, light, and other aspects of Physics before Newton and his Gravity.

Thanks! I was rather proud of the Woodstock wonder. I tend towards wonders that have some negative side effects. Keeps things interesting.

I am not sure what I will put in next. I think I will add the new Wonders I had slated for the Mod mod first, then the new units, and finally the new advances. I want to put things in one at a time, and test them, so that I won't make the same mistake I did with the Mod mod.

I ran a short test today to see if the triggers and goods worked, and I could tell even from this that these additions are going to have huge effects on gameplay.
The garrison triggers free up large amounts of production for other things, and do it at the most valuable time- immediately after founding, since you usually have to build defensive units the first thing.
The goods, being both more numerous and more valuable than they were previously, add more production, and a lot of gold and science to the game.

The production should allow the AIs to fill out the unit build lists, hopefully resulting in the air and naval battles we would all like to see, plus it may allow the AIs to get to the special units like Marines and SAMs that I have never seen the ai build before, especially with the re-worked aips.
This production can also go to the new Wonders, and perhaps it will keep the ai from going into the max production mode so often, which kiils growth of its cities.

The new science should allow for the introduction of the new advances everyone keeps suggesting without bogging the game down.

To sum things up, the more I see of this mod, and how its different components are interacting, the more excited I am about it.

I'll try (some of) my own suggestions now - based on your mods (course you are still one of the best).

My last gameplay (based on medieval mod) has to be ended. No-one will be winner due to the city-limit.

In my new game I have made following changes to your mod (not to mention my others changes, among others very low productions costs for sea, air and space units).

Listeningpost: See 0,3,4,5 and 6 (two tiles).
Radar, sonar and wormhole-probes: see 5 (I don't use the radar-facitity (don't know how to use it)).

All units "belong" to ancient ages are disbanned at democracy and "higher" governments. Simply disbanned - they should (I hope) disappear when not "wanted".

I will - whether y like it or not - keep y informed of the results......

HAPPY NEW YEAR.............. ehhhhh. Easter.....

I have downloaded the file from your website, but it looks like it is the older version of the Med Mod, not the newer one. I looked at it and saw no indication of the changes that Nordicus made with the trade goods. What happened?

I downloaded your mod and briefly gave it a try last night. It's looking very good (although it offers little surprises for me, I already had the garrisons and trade goods installed).
I noticed however that there are Great Library entries on trade goods that aren't actually included in the game (at least, I didn't see them yet) such as buffalo, camel, lemon. The Library contains graphics of these trade goods but no texts. I don't know if you deliberately did it like this but I thought I'd let you know.

I tried deleting the un-used goods from the files, but that threw the gl links off, so I left them in there. Thanks for letting me know about this, but I guess it won't really matter.

Also, here are links to the HTML versions of the proposed Unit and Trade Goods charts, which Chuck (ETB) has posted at his site.
http://www.duesouth.net/~scbryan/ctp/units%20chart.htm
http://www.duesouth.net/~scbryan/ctp/trade%20goods.htm

I have spent the last couple of days making these charts and re-working the various readmes for the mod. I have made each one pertain to a specific area, and contain all the info about that area.
The Aips readme, for example, contains all the info on the changes made aips in the AAips, 2.1 Update, and 3.0 mods.
I have moved the info on changes made to the const.txt from the AAips readme to the Miscellaneous readme.

Also, I have put the Units and Trade Goods charts into Excel spreadsheets, since you can present them more effectively than you can in Word. I also put a couple of CD's sheets in there which I think users need to have, with notations where I have made changes to CD's settings.
I will recommend that users print out these charts to refer to while playing. For users who don't have Excel, I will put HTML versions of the files in there in their own folder. The readmes that are not absolutely necessary I have put into their own folder as well. I have explained all this in a new Read 1st text.
Thinking about it, I will paste that file here, for everyone to look over.

by Wes Whitaker

This folder contains the readmes for the individual mods in the Medieval Pack. Due to the large numbers of individual mods that the Medieval Pack contains, I have listed below the readmes that I believe *need* to by read by users of this pack. This is in no way a comment upon the quality or importance of the other mods contained in the pack. It is simply a guide to users who may feel overwhelmed and/or confused by the large numbers of readmes contained in the Med readme folder. The changes made by the mods in the pack not listed here are generally visual (Harlan's graphics mod), or informational (PowerSLICs), and thus it not *necessary* that users read them to understand the changes to stats and other aspects of gameplay .

Suggested order of reading is:

1)CD readme- This file details the changes made by Celestial Dawn, whose 4.2 mod forms the core from which the rest of the pack is built around. I have marked in red the changes that I have reversed, in yellow the ones that I have partially reversed, and in green the changes that I have expanded. Some unit stats have been altered as well, but nearly all of CD's changes still remain intact, which is a testament to his work.
2)Misc. readme- This file lists changes that we suggest users make on their own to a couple of game files. It also tells you of our changes to environmental disasters, how to print out the Advances chart, and lists the color scheme used throughout the Med mod readmes.
3)Terrain readme- This file describes all the changes made to terrain and tile improvement stats.
4)Med 3.0 readme- This file lists the changes made to units, govs, difficulty levels, advances, wonders, improvements, etc. in addition to those made by CD.
5)AP notes- this tells you of the features added by other mods which are not readily apparent when playing the game.

Finally, I recommend that you print out the charts contained in the Med charts Excel spreadsheet document.
(The changes I have made to CD's govt. settings are noted in pink. I also inserted the workday, wages and rations lists from the E7 sheet, and deleted some of the Original Govt Ranking, to keep the file printout to two pages.)

When you are somewhat familiar with the mod, I suggest you read the Aips and Diplomacy readmes, which detail the changes to AI behavior made by the Awesome Aips mod and the Med mods 2.1 and 3.0.

Also, thanks to careful study by Chuck (ETB), we have discovered about a dozen discreptancies in either the terrain chart or the terrain text. When I upload the next version of the mod to my site, thsese corrections will be included.

Finally, I have about finished re-working the readmes; updated to the current status of the mod. When next you download the mod, delete the old med readmes folder first, and take a look at them like you were a new user, and tell me what you think. I have spent many hours on them, so any validation of my effort would be appreciated.

Here are the new Wonders stats, taken from the Med 3 readme;

Temple of Soloman (Ancient Gutenberg Bible)
shield_cost 2000
enabling_advance advance_religion
obsolete_advance advance_printing_press

### flags here
wonder_flag_inc_knowledge_percent 10
wonder_flag_reform_cities
wonder_flag_prevent_conversion

Colossus (Ancient London Exchange)
shield_cost 2000
enabling_advance advance_trade
obsolete_advance advance_economics

### flags here
wonder_flag_decrease_maintenance 3

Great Library (Ancient Internet)
shield_cost 3000
enabling_advance advance_trade
obsolete_advance advance_electricity

### flags here
wonder_flag_other_civ_random_advance_chance 10

Cohort (Ancient Genome Project)
shield_cost 2000
enabling_advance advance_iron_working
obsolete_advance advance_railroad

### flags here
wonder_flag_increase_hp 2
wonder_flag_increase_regard -25

Royal Shakespeare Co (Renaissance Contraception)
shield_cost 4500
enabling_advance advance_age_of_reason
obsolete_advance advance_pharmaceuticals

### flags here
wonder_flag_inc_happiness_empire 3

Great Game (Renaissance The Agency)
shield_cost 3000
enabling_advance advance_nationalism
obsolete_advance advance_global_defense_initiative

### flags here
wonder_flag_spies_everywhere

Kremlin (Renaissance Sphinx)
shield_cost 3000
enabling_advance advance_railroad
obsolete_advance advance_computer

This looks pretty good. Any idea when you are going to post it. I am looking forward to testing it. Also, any idea when you will be able to include some of your new units like the Cog and the Bombard?