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Topic: CTP: Is it the worst game of all time?
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Monkey
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posted October 04, 1999 21:57
  
AH,hexagonian can come up with a several reasons why CTP is good but you can only come up with one bad reason? And the bad thing about CTP is its graphics???!! I seem to recall almost everyone praising CTP on its graphics... and since when has any civ game ever had sprites that were perfectly in proportion? Come on AH, you can do better than that... the title of your thread states CTP: Is it the worst game of all time? Now you have to tell us why you think its the worst game ever... give us some concrete examples already.... |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 05, 1999 04:16
Let's start with the player interface. It will send you blind.------------------
Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT) Clip clop, clip clop, blurt, frip frip, blurt, clip clop, clip clop
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Monkey
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posted October 05, 1999 05:59
Anything specific about the interface? I personally don't like how you can't see certain information when you have one tab clicked on. However I find that if you use the global city screen along side with the tabs it makes the interface far more usable. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 05, 1999 07:20
The font is so small!!!! I haven't even got onto how un-user friendly it is.------------------
Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT) Clip clop, clip clop, blurt, frip frip, blurt, clip clop, clip clop
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hexagonian
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posted October 05, 1999 10:40
The sprites are out of proportion...At least I can tell what each sprite is supposed to be. The graphic definition is much clearer than TOT or CIVII. And lets face it, if the sprites were in proportion to the map, then you couldn't see your units in the first place. Its a game, not reality! The fonts are too small... What size monitor do you have? Personally, I have no trouble seeing the fonts on a 17" monitor. And, I dont have to count shields to get an indication of how my city is doing. From a info/playability standpoint, that seems more user-friendly. |
ChrisLynx
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posted October 05, 1999 10:48
CTP supports resolutions as low as 640x480. Try that resolution, the letters should be huge.You can use Q,W,E,R,T to change the visible city tabs. Pressing the keys is easier than moving the mouse, and the screen updates faster that way than from a mouse-click. Try it, I think you'll be pleasantly suprised. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 05, 1999 23:03
Hexagonian, I have a 17" screen. Thanks for the tip on resolution, Chris. The real problem with the interface though is that it not user friendly. Info is hidden. All the major categories of info should be accessible from the top screen. As for the sprites, sure they have to be out proportion to the landscape but the CTP ones just dwarf it. They should be about a half to a third smaller. ------------------
Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT) Clip clop, clip clop, blurt, frip frip, blurt, clip clop, clip clop
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hexagonian
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posted October 06, 1999 12:17
The sprite issue is one of aesthetic preference. We could argue that one back and forth and never get anything resolved.The tab system however...
Actually you have a point there. But there are flaws in CIVII/TOT. And the differences/flaws do not make CTP 'The Worst Game Ever' as you stated at the beginning of this thread. It's true that the tab sytem only provides partial information about a city. (The two tabs, IMO, that should be visible at the same time should be the Maximize tab and the Labor tab.) But as Monkey suggested, using the global City screen or the City Labor screen in conjunction with those tabs will provide you with the necessary info. It's also true that the City screen in CIVII/TOT provides a lot of info - but at a price, because it blocks out the ENTIRE map when it is activated. When you have multiple units in the game, purchase decisions are often based on what you have in the area, and what enemy units are there too. Being able to see the map to see those units in the area is user-friendly. Plus, you still have tabs in the CIVII/TOT City Screen that need to be activated to gain info. The various screens that you can pull up in CTP are also movable, and you can have several screen up at one time. So the info is there. Personally, I don't need to see every bit of info about a particular city every turn, but I know where to get the relevant info with one click of the mouse. AH - Several questions, as related to CVII/TOT.
1. Recently got a copy of TOT. Is there 'Fog of War' (and I mean areas that have been explored by a unit but not currently occupied by a unit as opposed to areas that are just only unexplored) in TOT/CIVII and how do you activate it to show up on the map?
2. Also, I get messages that I have finished building an improvement, but I do not get messages that I have built a unit. Any way to activate that?
3. When scrolling through units in TOT, I have to use a keyboard command to skip a unit. If I do not use that keyboard command, that unit's movement is forfeited for that turn. CTP allows me to scroll through my units without the hassle of using a keyboard command to avoid forfeiture of movement. These are standard features in CTP. I'm wondering if these are not standard in CVII/TOT. It goes back to my earlier point in this thread. You can look at any game and find flaws. |
hexagonian
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posted October 07, 1999 14:32
By the way, if AH continues the discussion here, all you CTP supporters feel free to continue the defense, since I'll be away on vacation for a week, starting today. |
hexagonian
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posted October 07, 1999 14:32
By the way, if AH continues the discussion here, all you CTP supporters feel free to continue the defense, since I'll be away on vacation for a week, starting today. |
hexagonian
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posted October 07, 1999 14:34
Sorry, double post - Gotta go!! |
Slax
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posted October 07, 1999 18:08
Let this thread die. Go to the "List the small gameplay improvements" thread instead. |
The Carpeted Man
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posted October 09, 1999 13:24
You know I think you guy's just forgot how much this game really sucks, So I'll keep this thread going.
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ChrisLynx
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posted October 09, 1999 23:43
Carpeted Man: I held my game CD near some dust, and it didn't suck up any of it! Are you sure it sucks, or did you have something more substantial and specific to say about it?BTW, I'm still waiting for that savegame you were going to send me with the stack of phalanxes killing a defending tank. |
Lucifer D. Satan
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posted October 09, 1999 23:55
I see no difference between any of these "games", why do you? |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 11, 1999 23:02
don't have time to reply at the moment but I SHALL RETURN! |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 15, 1999 19:12
Another issue is that it was very difficult to move units. Try getting a unit out of a city for start. I was forever getting the wrong unit fortified or the wrong unit to move. The status window for this was very confusing and no help. Drove me nuts. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 15, 1999 19:16
Another bug was fortifying unit stacks in and out of cities. What a pain. The status window for this was no help either. Also the interface for building stacks and breaking them up, particularly in cities, was incredibly clumsy!!!! Face it, the game sucks!!!!
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WesW
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posted October 16, 1999 21:45
Well, gees, Horse, at least you CAN stack units in this game. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 17, 1999 18:42
Not much point having stacks if you can't manipulate them effectively!
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WesW
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posted October 18, 1999 19:11
Well, Horse, we can't help it if you're half-blind and have clubs (hoofs) for hands. |
WesW
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posted October 18, 1999 19:13
Well, Horse, we can't help it if you're half-blind and have clubs (hoofs) for hands. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 18, 1999 20:43
Hardy ha ha------------------
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Alexander's Horse
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posted October 18, 1999 20:43
Hey Wes, don't give up your day job.------------------
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Alexander's Horse
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posted October 18, 1999 20:43
Hey Wes, do you have a job?------------------
Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT) Cricket = Transcendance Clip clop, clip clop, blurt, frip frip, blurt, clip clop, clip clop Ha ha ha he he ho ho
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WesW
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posted October 18, 1999 21:44
Well, actually, I recovering from a couple of operations I had recently to try and help a chronic health problem I have (I'm hoping the 11th time is the charm). If the operations help, I plan to go back to college in January. |
WesW
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posted October 18, 1999 23:50
Actually, Horse, I sympathize with you about the graphics. I have to play at the 800x600 setting, and some of the user-created units appear too big and fuzzy at this setting. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 19, 1999 02:26
Gee Wes, that's no good - hope your feeling better soon!!!! |
WesW
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posted October 19, 1999 03:05
Thanks, Horse. |
LordZarm
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posted October 19, 1999 15:54
CTP rocks!!! I have been saying this since it came out. I dont play Civ 2 anymore with CTP's trade and its fighting (more than one unit at a time) cant believe someone doesnt like this game. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 20, 1999 01:54
Lordzarm, have you stopped taking your medication again?
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Lucky
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posted October 20, 1999 05:44
yes... Civ 2 is better than CTP
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Thufir
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posted October 20, 1999 17:00
May be good if you can play it. If you try one after another and it stills resists running at all you hate it. |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 22, 1999 02:28
"I say the things I say to the people involved because they have not got the sense to resolve their own problems, and are just flaming the rest of us, or they are trolls looking for attention by causing trouble.I agree that much needs to be done with CTP, particularly with Diplomacy. Frankly, CTP has been the straw that has broken the camel's back for me. I won't be buying a new games within 6 months of them coming out because I'm tired of being an ignored and uncompensated beta tester. See my latest rant in EVC's thread if you want to know more on how I feel about that. I play CTP (when I have the chance) because I enjoy it. I post, not because of a fanatical belief in the game, or the company, but because I can't abide whiners, trolls, and troublemakers. These vermin need to be revealed for what they are, and slapped down once, at the beginning of their whiney little tirade. So my advice to you, should you become disenchanted with CTP, is twofold. 1) Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware, because of widespread software theft (also known by the cutsie name of piracy) software companies feel they have liscense to rip the consumer off. We seldom have the opportunity to try before we buy, and the release version of the product usually is quite different from the demo. 2) Retain your dignity. Do not become some bitter, disillusioned whiner who does not know how to deal with the setbacks that life hands us all. Just keep #1 in mind and beware so you don't get ripped off again. I've said it before, I'll gladly say it again. There are 2 game companies that will never see another dollar of mine. That's Microprose and Sierra. This is because of past fiascos that they have release. Truely unplayable games, Outpost and Darklands. CTP has been plagued by enough software issues that I'm taking a "wait and see" attitude for Activision. I won't be buying the next patch, but should they choose to release it as a patch, rather than an expansion, I might buy an expansion from them in the future, or even CTP 2, if and when.... Enough rambling for now.... Big Dave" Well little dave, that's quite a confession! Anyone else want to fess up? I'm forming the impression that what we have here is not people who like CTP and those who don't but those that admit that it SUCKS and those that don't. Everyone in fact knows that it SUCKS.
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Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT) My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely. If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts.
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Big Dave
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posted October 22, 1999 14:34
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Alexander's Horse
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posted October 22, 1999 22:38
Oh C'mon Big Dave, under all that huff and puff there seems to be a nice person fighting to get out 
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Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT) My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely. If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts.
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Turgidmember
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posted October 23, 1999 20:11
I like the big units! I have a 19" monitor and I play at 640x480.. it makes me giggle like a school girl to finally see units that seem.. well.. like units and not eensy splotches of color (like starcraft, etc.)
In the words of Sir MixALot, "I like 'em round.. and big!" referring to the fact that I enjoy prodigiously sized units, with an absence of jaggies. Give me WarcraftII any old day! Oh, which *mods* would everyone suggest? I have the 1.2 patch, and heard mention of an "Apolyton" and a "sandwich" pack.. would anyone care to elaborate?
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WesW
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posted October 24, 1999 02:50
Turgid, huh? I guess getting online does that for some people.  Markos and some of the mod-makers here have put together a mod combo called the Apolyton Pack. Also, someone made a hack which solves a couple of the deficiencies in the scenario setup. I would highly recommend you getting both those. Just remember you will need to manually switch the aidata folder from the scenario directory to the game directory. They didn't realize until the Pack was out that the game doesn't read that folder in the scenario directory. I would also recommend my terrain mod, too. |
WesW
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posted October 24, 1999 02:57
Hey, Shetland Pony, admit it, the real reason you don't like this game is because it is too hard for you. It keeps kicking your ass. I mean, if you just didn't like it, you would move on to something you did like, wouldn't you? You keep coming back here trying to convince yourself that the game sucks so you won't feel so bad about losing on Chieftain level. |
Turgidmember
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posted October 24, 1999 14:20
WesW - sometimes, depending upon how many clicks away I am from bountiful bosoms ..*hehe* err, I mean, of course not! yeh!Hmm.. anyway,I think it's important for all of the grumble-britches to remember that one man's milk is another man's whale pee. In order to put everything in persepctive, it's a good plan to just listen to the CtP soundtrack, at loud volumes, whilst jerking arhytmically about your abode. In this manner.. ah well good humor truck! back in a sec!
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The Rapist
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posted October 24, 1999 21:11
You people are all pathetic. It is a total waste of time to even be writing about CTP becasue it is the single most worthless piece of utter dog crap ever created on eaarth.
You people all have the IQ of a 2 year old. |
Nordicus
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posted October 24, 1999 22:05
I never thought I'd respond to such rubbish, but, oh man, I just couldn't resist! I love these ones! Even more interesting than those from that Horse's Arse character!
And that name! "The Rapist." That is hilarious! (*Shiverrrr*) Another "angry young man," most likely, trying to shock and/or frighten us all. Why not "Killer"? Or, no, no, wait, this one: "Satan"? Ooooh, that gives ME the willies.
Quote:You people all have the IQ of a 2 year old.
Well, you are of course entitled to your opinion, such as it is. How you must have studied and pondered that...calculating the numbers of civers and estimating each individual one's IQ....As well, the hours you must have contemplated and brainstormed countless descriptive words to finally reach out with your nimble little fingers to type:
"dog crap" Ladies and gentlemen...let us bow before true genius...a mind so penetrating (hoooh!--hence the name: "The Rapist"--so THAT'S why!!!), a wit so sharp, so keen.
We must bow before greatness!
Of course, your arguments do not seem well-thought out. (And "because" is not spelled "becasue," nor is "earth" spelled "eaarth"--I usually don't care about people's spelling, but since you're intelligent enough to know the average IQ of everyone here (and since you're from England, or so you claim, and thus speak english), I thought I should point that out....Surely a 'probing' mind such as yours must have simply made a simple error? You may wish to edit that later. ) Until then, you just keep up the good thinkin' there, m'boy! Can't debate that logic! Well done! N.
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Alexander's Horse
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posted October 24, 1999 22:33
Wes, dream on - I have never been beaten by man or machine in any wargame (my secret? cheat ).One thing on the sprites, I would prefer, both in Civ and CTP if the sprites were units rather than individuals - i.e. a squadron of ships/planes, a cohort of legionaries, a company of musketeers. I think this would look awesome. Would have been a lot better then wasting a whole lot of graphic resources making the sprites throw shadows
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Fraternal comrade and citizen of the People's Republic of Off Topic (PROT)
My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely. If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts.
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The Rapist
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posted October 24, 1999 23:05
Your pretty, cool Nordicus. Whoa, what a brainy response! Your so smart and cool the way you commented on how it took no intelligence to come up with "dog crap". Any idiot could have made that observation.
Obviuosly, it was my attemt to lure an idiot like you to actually respond lagitimately.
Whoo, it took me all of 1 minute to think up and type it out. Talk about stating the obvious. And so what, anyways? What a loser.
So, are you saying CTP is good? Your more of an idiot than I thought.
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The Rapist
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posted October 24, 1999 23:09
Nordicus is a fag. |
Nordicus
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posted October 25, 1999 12:12
Now, where are you hiding, boy?
C'mon--I'm a-waitin fer ya!
"Nordicus is a fag."
Yes, we've already established that, and you've repeated yourself.
C'mon! What else have you got?
Flex, m'boy!
What else have you to utter majestically, leaving us in wonder...all who are blessed by the chance to witness the weight and profundity of your phrenically superior deductions.
You have used that cunning to lure me in here...I'm a helpless victim now! Come get me!
Flex that brain! Flex, boy!(Do you really think I'm cool? Thank you for saying so. Much too kind. ) ------------------
"Smells like monkey in here."
FLEX, baby, FLEX!!!
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Alexander's Horse
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posted October 26, 1999 20:05
Yes well after that short interruption, regular programming has now resumed.
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Nordicus
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posted October 27, 1999 08:35
Well, about time!
All these commercials were makin me ill.------------------
"Smells like monkey in here."
"Verrosten est X-beine das Fahrbar Bliken Obszon
Abgabepflichtighoffenburger!?!?!?!"
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WesW
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posted October 27, 1999 21:12
Hey, we have a CTP thread fixin' to hit 100 posts!
Uh, oh, wait a minute, it's about trashing the game. 
Oh, well, at least I found something linking Horse to one of our scenario-makers here- see sig. ------------------
Yeah, can you believe it. I got wiped out on chieftain. -Don Blevens (aka Scorpion59) |
Alexander's Horse
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posted October 28, 1999 02:34
Wes, well spotted. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the CTP fans who have contributed to this thread and thereby helped to keep its completely appropriate title at the top of the CTP general forum threads for almost one hundred posts.
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