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Changmai Beagle
Chieftain
The Great White North & warmer climes
Oct 1999
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posted January 18, 2001 20:16
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I'll probably wait until version 3.0 so that's my vote. (But just in case - in which files would I change the numplayers and the considerdiplo.... statements?)
P.S Thanks for all the effort. Sounds good and I look forward.
P.P.S It might be a while before you see any mods from me, being a beagle of little programming ability. For example. I was trying to do a bit of tweaking the other day and couldn't figure out why I was crashing. Then I realized I had left Net Nanny on and she had edited out all the "naughty bits", like "bomb_cabinet". |
Dale
Prince
Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 18, 2001 20:51
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Originally posted by Changmai Beagle on 01-18-2001 08:16 PM
I'll probably wait until version 3.0 so that's my vote. (But just in case - in which files would I change the numplayers and the considerdiplo.... statements?)
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diplomod.slc quote:
P.S Thanks for all the effort. Sounds good and I look forward.
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No problemo. quote:
P.P.S It might be a while before you see any mods from me, being a beagle of little programming ability. For example. I was trying to do a bit of tweaking the other day and couldn't figure out why I was crashing. Then I realized I had left Net Nanny on and she had edited out all the "naughty bits", like "bomb_cabinet".
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It'll do that. haha.  ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
Prince
Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 18, 2001 20:51
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Originally posted by Changmai Beagle on 01-18-2001 08:16 PM
I'll probably wait until version 3.0 so that's my vote. (But just in case - in which files would I change the numplayers and the considerdiplo.... statements?)
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diplomod.slc quote:
P.S Thanks for all the effort. Sounds good and I look forward.
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No problemo. quote:
P.P.S It might be a while before you see any mods from me, being a beagle of little programming ability. For example. I was trying to do a bit of tweaking the other day and couldn't figure out why I was crashing. Then I realized I had left Net Nanny on and she had edited out all the "naughty bits", like "bomb_cabinet".
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It'll do that. haha. ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
WesW
apolyton.net/wes
Huntsville, Al., USA
b.02-15-99
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posted January 19, 2001 06:42
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Nice site, Omnigod. There needs to be a central place where people can go to try out all the new things being worked on.Dale, I would be very interested in seeing your mod once you are a little further along in it. Are you just adjusting the original text files, or are you making slic for all this? |
WesW
apolyton.net/wes
Huntsville, Al., USA
b.02-15-99
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posted January 19, 2001 06:42
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Nice site, Omnigod. There needs to be a central place where people can go to try out all the new things being worked on.Dale, I would be very interested in seeing your mod once you are a little further along in it. Are you just adjusting the original text files, or are you making slic for all this? |
Pintello
Warlord
Deland, Florida
b.02-15-99
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posted January 19, 2001 08:52
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Hi Dale,quote:
P.P.S It might be a while before you see any mods from me, being a beagle of little programming ability. For example. I was trying to do a bit of tweaking the other day and couldn't figure out why I was crashing. Then I realized I had left Net Nanny on and she had edited out all the "naughty bits", like "bomb_cabinet".
That was very funny! Computers, you gotta love them! Timothy Pintello |
Pintello
Warlord
Deland, Florida
b.02-15-99
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posted January 19, 2001 08:52
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Hi Dale,quote:
P.P.S It might be a while before you see any mods from me, being a beagle of little programming ability. For example. I was trying to do a bit of tweaking the other day and couldn't figure out why I was crashing. Then I realized I had left Net Nanny on and she had edited out all the "naughty bits", like "bomb_cabinet".
That was very funny! Computers, you gotta love them! Timothy Pintello |
Huysmans_666
Chieftain
Hoeven,Noord-Brbant,netherlands
Jan 2001
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posted January 19, 2001 13:36
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Hi,I'm rathern new on the block here but that solution to the array out of bounds error don't work when you take away the + 5. In the for statements you have to change DIP_civ1 to player[DIP_civ1] and you have to change all of these statements !
This is a simple C programming language error...you have to let the SLIC know which array it's about !
The player array ! But having changed this leaves me with a new error. To many arguments in ConsiderDiplomaticState. What the heck is this ? How do I solve this. |
Huysmans_666
Chieftain
Hoeven,Noord-Brbant,netherlands
Jan 2001
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posted January 19, 2001 13:36
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Hi,I'm rathern new on the block here but that solution to the array out of bounds error don't work when you take away the + 5. In the for statements you have to change DIP_civ1 to player[DIP_civ1] and you have to change all of these statements !
This is a simple C programming language error...you have to let the SLIC know which array it's about !
The player array ! But having changed this leaves me with a new error. To many arguments in ConsiderDiplomaticState. What the heck is this ? How do I solve this. |
Dale
Prince
Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 21, 2001 18:53
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If you didn't see my post in the Activision statement post, then I'll repeat myself here.I'm very pissed off with the support we've received for CTP2. While a good game, the glaring problems will not be addresses (namely diplomacy and AI ferocity). In response to the frustration I'm facing in trying to get the AI to perform diplomacy, I'm putting Diplomod V3.0 on the shelf. If I don't have anything else to do, I may go into it. But considering how many crashes I get with patch 1.1, and the fact that the unpatched CTP2 has almost no diplomacy SLIC available, I doubt very much that I'll continue. Thanks for your support though. Except for the fact the AI will NEVER make a treaty or alliance (because of the internal programming settings and there is no SLIC to force a proposal/acceptance), I actually had a pretty decent AI diplomacy model working. But without treatys or alliances between AI's, what's the point of using diplomacy? These two options make diplomacy, not all the others which I have working well. PS. If there is interest for the AI diplomacy script that I do have working, then let me know and I'll send it to Rich to update his link on V2.2. Wes, it's a SLIC script, not just txt file changes. ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
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Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 21, 2001 18:53
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If you didn't see my post in the Activision statement post, then I'll repeat myself here.I'm very pissed off with the support we've received for CTP2. While a good game, the glaring problems will not be addresses (namely diplomacy and AI ferocity). In response to the frustration I'm facing in trying to get the AI to perform diplomacy, I'm putting Diplomod V3.0 on the shelf. If I don't have anything else to do, I may go into it. But considering how many crashes I get with patch 1.1, and the fact that the unpatched CTP2 has almost no diplomacy SLIC available, I doubt very much that I'll continue. Thanks for your support though. Except for the fact the AI will NEVER make a treaty or alliance (because of the internal programming settings and there is no SLIC to force a proposal/acceptance), I actually had a pretty decent AI diplomacy model working. But without treatys or alliances between AI's, what's the point of using diplomacy? These two options make diplomacy, not all the others which I have working well. PS. If there is interest for the AI diplomacy script that I do have working, then let me know and I'll send it to Rich to update his link on V2.2. Wes, it's a SLIC script, not just txt file changes. ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
kormer
Chieftain
Jan 2001
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posted January 21, 2001 19:12
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Dale, please do not give up your efforts. I just installed your diplomod into my modern era scenario today. I already had treaties setup, and the game was going awesome. I was playing as the indians. After a few turns, the EU declared war on russia, and the next turn 4 other nations declared war on russia as well. |
kormer
Chieftain
Jan 2001
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posted January 21, 2001 19:12
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Dale, please do not give up your efforts. I just installed your diplomod into my modern era scenario today. I already had treaties setup, and the game was going awesome. I was playing as the indians. After a few turns, the EU declared war on russia, and the next turn 4 other nations declared war on russia as well. |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 21, 2001 19:36
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yeah, Dale, dont give up!
i believe we have a lot to find out on what we can do with ctp2! |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 21, 2001 19:36
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yeah, Dale, dont give up!
i believe we have a lot to find out on what we can do with ctp2! |
OmniGod
ACS CtP2 Database Manager
Philadelphia, PA, USA --> Really Canadian
Dec 1999
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posted January 21, 2001 19:54
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I agree with Mark there.. there is potential for this game, and we'll find all the things that we can change, and maybe MrOgre will pop back, once he's had a nice rest, and give us a little guidance or someone else will find part of your solution... there's enough of us, we should be able to improve this considerably.rich |
OmniGod
ACS CtP2 Database Manager
Philadelphia, PA, USA --> Really Canadian
Dec 1999
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posted January 21, 2001 19:54
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I agree with Mark there.. there is potential for this game, and we'll find all the things that we can change, and maybe MrOgre will pop back, once he's had a nice rest, and give us a little guidance or someone else will find part of your solution... there's enough of us, we should be able to improve this considerably.rich |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 21, 2001 20:10
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speaking about discovering things...
check out my last post in the thread about the medieval mod: an experiment with the gamefile.txt |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted January 21, 2001 20:10
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speaking about discovering things...
check out my last post in the thread about the medieval mod: an experiment with the gamefile.txt |
Huysmans_666
Chieftain
Hoeven,Noord-Brbant,netherlands
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 03:31
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Hey,I've tried Diplomod and it was great...for the first time since I bought the game I actually thought that it had some kind of intelligence. It activelly seeked out my civ and made diplomacy it's priority instead of conquest.
Also it's extremely good in making contact and diplomacy with other civ's now. If you quit it will be a dark day in the history of CTP2, a day in which the players said : "The game sucks but we will make it work !".
I hope sincerely that you continue your work ! greetings, a big fan of diplomod
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Huysmans_666
Chieftain
Hoeven,Noord-Brbant,netherlands
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 03:31
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Hey,I've tried Diplomod and it was great...for the first time since I bought the game I actually thought that it had some kind of intelligence. It activelly seeked out my civ and made diplomacy it's priority instead of conquest.
Also it's extremely good in making contact and diplomacy with other civ's now. If you quit it will be a dark day in the history of CTP2, a day in which the players said : "The game sucks but we will make it work !".
I hope sincerely that you continue your work ! greetings, a big fan of diplomod
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Ganja
Chieftain
Jun 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 08:43
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Dale - are you posting version 3.0 at all ? And thanks for your work on this mod  |
Ganja
Chieftain
Jun 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 08:43
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Dale - are you posting version 3.0 at all ? And thanks for your work on this mod |
Ganja
Chieftain
Jun 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 14:48
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Here's a question I hope someone can answer.
Is it possible to use the diplomod in the MedMod2 mod ?If so, how do I go about doing it? |
Ganja
Chieftain
Jun 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 14:48
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Here's a question I hope someone can answer.
Is it possible to use the diplomod in the MedMod2 mod ?If so, how do I go about doing it? |
Dale
Prince
Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 18:16
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Okay, thanks to a heap of emails and the comments here in the forums, I've been pressured back into finishing V3.0 Here's where it stands right now:
1 - The AI's will swap maps.
2 - The AI's will buy advances from each other.
3 - The code is in there (but the stupid internal programming of the game will never allow the AI to do it) for AI's to make peace-treatys, trade pacts and research pacts.
4 - The AI will use three different AI-Human diplomatic states (friendly, war and default) and a special AI-AI state (regard penalties don't hit so hard).
5 - The AI doesn't refuse everything by default (like in V2).
6 - The AI is more demanding of Human players (give me this, give me that, etc).
7 - I still need to code in withdraw troops and a couple of 'catch' commands. I left them out so I could test at this point. Eg. The AI can make proposals to people it hasn't even met.
8 - Refining and bug catching also need to be done. So I'm not that far off a Beta V3.0 Is there anyone who would like to beta-test for me? If so, email me and I'll send you the mod when it's ready for testing. Thanks guys for your support.
Dale - dale.kent@mel.alphawest.com.au ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
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Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 18:16
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Okay, thanks to a heap of emails and the comments here in the forums, I've been pressured back into finishing V3.0 Here's where it stands right now:
1 - The AI's will swap maps.
2 - The AI's will buy advances from each other.
3 - The code is in there (but the stupid internal programming of the game will never allow the AI to do it) for AI's to make peace-treatys, trade pacts and research pacts.
4 - The AI will use three different AI-Human diplomatic states (friendly, war and default) and a special AI-AI state (regard penalties don't hit so hard).
5 - The AI doesn't refuse everything by default (like in V2).
6 - The AI is more demanding of Human players (give me this, give me that, etc).
7 - I still need to code in withdraw troops and a couple of 'catch' commands. I left them out so I could test at this point. Eg. The AI can make proposals to people it hasn't even met.
8 - Refining and bug catching also need to be done. So I'm not that far off a Beta V3.0 Is there anyone who would like to beta-test for me? If so, email me and I'll send you the mod when it's ready for testing. Thanks guys for your support.
Dale - dale.kent@mel.alphawest.com.au ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
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Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 18:22
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Originally posted by Ganja on 01-22-2001 02:48 PM
Here's a question I hope someone can answer.
Is it possible to use the diplomod in the MedMod2 mod ?If so, how do I go about doing it?
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I'm sure Wes and his gang will want to look at Diplomod to see if they can implement in future Med Mod. As for the current Med Mod out there, I don't know if it can be implemented.
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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
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Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 18:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Ganja on 01-22-2001 02:48 PM
Here's a question I hope someone can answer.
Is it possible to use the diplomod in the MedMod2 mod ?If so, how do I go about doing it?
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I'm sure Wes and his gang will want to look at Diplomod to see if they can implement in future Med Mod. As for the current Med Mod out there, I don't know if it can be implemented.
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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
ASHBERY76
Settler
ENGLAND
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 19:00
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I cant understand why activision stopped treatys by a.i.s it sucks big time.So there will never be a.i treatys what a let down. |
ASHBERY76
Settler
ENGLAND
Jan 2001
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posted January 22, 2001 19:00
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I cant understand why activision stopped treatys by a.i.s it sucks big time.So there will never be a.i treatys what a let down. |
WesW
apolyton.net/wes
Huntsville, Al., USA
b.02-15-99
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posted January 22, 2001 19:17
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Dale, your mod sounds great. As you develop your mod, it would be a big help to everyone, yourself included, if you would try and keep track of which changes had which effects on the ai. I know that this can be quite difficult when dealing with diplomacy, but anything we can learn will help our efforts.I look forward to using any progress you make with the text files in the Med mod, and perhaps the slic parts as well, eventually. I will probably wait until the other slic parts of the Med mod are in place first, though. |
WesW
apolyton.net/wes
Huntsville, Al., USA
b.02-15-99
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posted January 22, 2001 19:17
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Dale, your mod sounds great. As you develop your mod, it would be a big help to everyone, yourself included, if you would try and keep track of which changes had which effects on the ai. I know that this can be quite difficult when dealing with diplomacy, but anything we can learn will help our efforts.I look forward to using any progress you make with the text files in the Med mod, and perhaps the slic parts as well, eventually. I will probably wait until the other slic parts of the Med mod are in place first, though. |
Dale
Prince
Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 19:48
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Good idea. I'd get a well-rounded AI first before trying anything with diplomacy. I've got a history file in my mod that tracks changes and what they do. Does this cover it? If not I should be able to come up with something more detailed. Though a lot of my experimentations have ended in CTP2 crashing severely or hardware locking. Don't ask me how, but it can hardware lock on ya.  ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
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Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 22, 2001 19:48
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Good idea. I'd get a well-rounded AI first before trying anything with diplomacy. I've got a history file in my mod that tracks changes and what they do. Does this cover it? If not I should be able to come up with something more detailed. Though a lot of my experimentations have ended in CTP2 crashing severely or hardware locking. Don't ask me how, but it can hardware lock on ya. ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
thanatos.tod
Settler
Germany
Jan 2001
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posted January 23, 2001 16:06
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as i said in the sec/mod forum, u made the AI somewhat too diplomatic |
thanatos.tod
Settler
Germany
Jan 2001
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posted January 23, 2001 16:06
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as i said in the sec/mod forum, u made the AI somewhat too diplomatic |
Dale
Prince
Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 23, 2001 18:22
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I've found the cause of all my crashes in the patched CTP2. It was occuring within the exchange advance for gold section. It appears that the bug within the diplomacy causes a program crash with my mod. I had to disable it and got no crashes after testing for over an hour (used to get a crash on average every five minutes of gameplay). I'll try to find a workaround, but I doubt I'll get anything to work properly. In the meantine, I'll have a beta of V3.0 ready tomorrow, and will email to the couple of replys I've had. If you want to help me test the diplomacy, let me know.BTW, I've toned down (read that as refined ) the acceptance levels so that you can't just get everything from the AI. I'll try to get a proper withdraw troops going so the AI actually does retreat instead of fortifying in your territory. This (I hope) should also help the AI's in reaching their limitation of a turn-limit without troops in another AI's territory before requesting/accepting agreements. ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
Dale
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Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2000
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posted January 23, 2001 18:22
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I've found the cause of all my crashes in the patched CTP2. It was occuring within the exchange advance for gold section. It appears that the bug within the diplomacy causes a program crash with my mod. I had to disable it and got no crashes after testing for over an hour (used to get a crash on average every five minutes of gameplay). I'll try to find a workaround, but I doubt I'll get anything to work properly. In the meantine, I'll have a beta of V3.0 ready tomorrow, and will email to the couple of replys I've had. If you want to help me test the diplomacy, let me know.BTW, I've toned down (read that as refined ) the acceptance levels so that you can't just get everything from the AI. I'll try to get a proper withdraw troops going so the AI actually does retreat instead of fortifying in your territory. This (I hope) should also help the AI's in reaching their limitation of a turn-limit without troops in another AI's territory before requesting/accepting agreements. ------------------
Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy. Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back." |
kormer
Chieftain
Jan 2001
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posted January 23, 2001 22:01
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Dale, I had to take your mod out of my scenario for it to work. I kept getting an error, diplomod:39 array index 1 out of bounds. Might want to check that one out, I think that was the variable for # of players in a game, and since I have more than 8 it might create a problem somewhere. |
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