1)Domestication
2)Wheel
3)Aristocracy
4)Citizenship
5)Stirrup
6)Conscription
7)Flintlock
8)Infantry Tactics
9)City State
10)Astronomy
11)Radio
12)Republic
13)Combined Arms
14)Mechanical Power
15)Steam Engine
16)Sanitation
17)Rocketry
18)Refrigeration
19)Radio
20)Paper
21)Chronometer
22)Mechanical Clock
23)Eletro-Magnetism
24)Machine Tools
25)Currency
26)Contraception
27)Conscription
28)Compass
29)Astronomy
30)Theocracy
31)Imperialism
32)Indoor Plumbing
33)Civil Engineering
34)Amphibious Warfare
35)Automatic Weapons
36)Adv. Naval Aviation
37)Vertical Warfare
38)Adv. Mobile Warfare
>> Crop Rotation- old Ag. Rev.
>> Electrification- old Electricity
>> Engineering- old Concrete
>> Steel- old Adv. Naval Tactics
>> Composite Bow- old Ballistics
>> Organized Religion- old Religion
>> Paper Currency- old Banking
>> Plough- old Agriculture
>> Mobile Warfare- old Tank Warfare

It has been a slow day at work so I have had the chance to look at your advance chart. Following are some questions and observations I have about it.

1) What advances gives the ability to build undersea cities?
2) Jet Propulsion should probably come before Supersonic Flight.
3) Geometry list Ballistics as a prerequisite, but I don't see Ballistics anywhere on the tech tree.
Mechanical Clock and Compass along with Cannon Making should all come before Chronometer since Chronometer gives you Ships of the Line.
4) From the tech tree it looks like you can get Bombards, Flintlocks, and Cannon Making all without getting Gunpowder.
5) From the tech tree it looks like you can get Carrack and Cog without first getting Hullmaking.
6) The Governments all look good. I especially like the addition of City State and Imperialism.
7) Do you have a Sprite of the War Elephant and what is a Grenadier?
8) What is a Culverin and how does it differ from a bombard?
9) What roles will the Destroyer, PT Boat, Frigate, and Missle Cruiser play with respect to each other?
10) Need to make Nuclear Carrier have a prerequisite of Nuclear Power or you need to rename it Super Carrier or Advanced Carrier instead.
11) What happened to the Cruise Missle? I don't see it anywhere.

Well that is all for now.

Mark, in appreciation of my gratitude for making me the the prettiest host on Apolyton, website-speaking, I am going to give you your Noble even before writing, I think.

quote: Originally posted by WesW on 01-01-2001 10:37 PM 27)Conscription

If I understand this correctly, this is the advance that would provide Riflemen. I think it should be renamed. The existing name implies that the transition from muskets to rifles occurred for socio-political reasons, but that is incorrect.

The transition happened for three technical reasons.

First, there was the development of the self-contained cartridge, with primer, propellant, and projectile all in one. Next, there was the development of a mechanism, or action, that could be used to quickly ( instantly in the case of semi-automatics ) eject the previous cartridge and simultaneously load a new cartridge. Finally, the Industrial Revolution allowed the mass production of accurate, easily maintained rifles.

So I would consider naming the advance "Riflery," "The Cartridge" or maybe "Self-Loading Rifles." Just a thought.

I have now taken a look at your newest Adv. Chart. It looks really good. The only problem that I can see is that it looks like you can get Railroad without Steam Engine. Also one of the Prerequisites for Railroad is Banking, but I can't find Banking on the Adv. Chart.

It also looks like you can get Paper Currency without first getting Paper and that you can also get Printing Press without getting paper. I would suggest making this order change. To get Paper Currency you have to first get Printing Press. To get Printing Press you have to first get Paper. Maybe to accomplish this you could position Paper between Classical Education and Printing Press. Possibly instead of putting Feudalism as the second prerequisite for Paper Currency put Printing Press. That way Paper Currency would still be in the tech tree as a prerequisite for Economics.

Another suggestion I would make is to put Banking right after Currency. I would then make Banks available with Banking instead of Paper Currency. I would advocate putting Banking and Banks so early because Bankers are metioned in a couple of Jesus' Parables indicating that they existed as far back in history as 2000 years ago, if not much further. If I had to guess, I would guess that the idea of banks and bankers was developed about the same time that currency became a common medium of exchange.

The Banking change listed in the previous paragraph would also allow you to change the second prerequisite for Railroad from Banking to Steam Engine. This would eliminate the problem listed at the start of this post while still permitting you to get Industrail Revolution prior to Steam Engine, which is the historic order anyway. The Industrail Revolution was less dependent on Steam Power than it was Mechanical Power anyway.

Hope my 2 cents worth helps.

4 for 5 isn't bad! I know of a lot of professional football teams that would like that kind of record. More seriously though, thanks for explaining the reasoning behind the Bank Improvement. Once you explained the reasoning I can see where it makes good sense in the scheme of things that ya'll are trying to represent with Wes's Mod. Glad you liked my other ideas. Now if we can only get Wes to buy into them we will be set. :-)