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wysiwyg
Settler
Sandy, UT
Nov 2000
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posted December 10, 2000 11:39
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I changed the gigantic map size to 210x420 and it generates a good looking map to play on. The problems I have are with gameplay. Specifically:- The computer civs never build roads. They build farms, mines, nets, etc but no roads. I suspect there is an algorithm that determines if two cities are close enough to bother with a road and that this algorithm uses the total map size to calculate a number that is compared with a threshold value. - Unit movement rates are too small; i.e. your nukes are now rather short ranged. Obviously, it is possible to change movement rates if you plan to always play with an extra large map. - Because the map is so large there are many more ruins; too many ruins means you'll probably still be finding them in the Diamond age. It's a bit silly to be discovering chaos theory or a leviathon unit in the ruins. It think doubling RUINS_BOX_WIDTH and RUINS_BOX_HEIGHT would be appropriate to reduce the number of ruins if they are used. - Building the GlobeSat wonder is a bit much when you have many civs. I turned off "show enemy movements" and this seems fine. Does anyone know if values used by the AI when deciding to build roads are stored in a text file? This looks to be the only problem I don't see a solution for. I see MAX_RUINS_ADVANCE (10) and MAX_RUINS_UNIT (30) in const.txt but both units.txt and advance.txt are alphabetical so has anyone tried changing these yet? |
skorpion59
CTP Maps Webmaster
Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, (GMT -6)
May 99
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posted December 10, 2000 13:02
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Maps which are bigger than the default ones will always introduce erratic gameplay. A 'Big Map' mod could help some but it won't do away with all of them. |
wysiwyg
Settler
Sandy, UT
Nov 2000
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posted December 10, 2000 14:29
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How big is too big? quote:
Originally posted by skorpion59 on 12-10-2000 01:02 PM
Maps which are bigger than the default ones will always introduce erratic gameplay. A 'Big Map' mod could help some but it won't do away with all of them.
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EdCase
Prince
formerly known as English ..legal Alien FL. USA.
b.02-15-99
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posted December 10, 2000 15:52
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Since I have been working away on tweaking the random map generation to make it generate "better" looking maps on a grander scale scale...just let me say 210x420 is too big (my opinion) I am finding anything above 150 X 300 becomes tedious even with civs set a32...increasing movement rates etc...sure you can do it...but.....Essentially your just eating memory to give you the same game...tripe map size...triple movement kinda cancels each other out  The above staments are purely the opinion of the author and in no way reflect any remotely sane ------------------
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EdCase
Prince
formerly known as English ..legal Alien FL. USA.
b.02-15-99
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posted December 10, 2000 15:55
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quote:
Originally posted by EdCase on 12-10-2000 03:52 PM
Since I have been working away on tweaking the random map generation to make it generate "better" looking maps on a grander scale scale...just let me say 210x420 is too big (my opinion) I am finding anything above 150 X 300 becomes tedious even with civs set a32...increasing movement rates etc...sure you can do it...but.....Essentially your just eating memory to give you the same game...triple map size...triple movement kinda cancels each other out The above staments are purely the opinion of the author and in no way resemble logical thought processes
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wysiwyg
Settler
Sandy, UT
Nov 2000
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posted December 11, 2000 12:17
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Memory I've got but I see the point after playing a game with 210x420. You can go the entire game without meeting one of the civs. I built GlobeSat and there was Korea at the south end of the map who had never encountered any other civilization. Do the AI civs build roads with 150x300? quote:
Originally posted by EdCase on 12-10-2000 03:52 PM
Essentially your just eating memory to give you the same game...tripe map size...triple movement kinda cancels each other out
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