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Topic: Freeciv forum Current Date/Time:
May 17, 2000 00:49:29
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Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted March 15, 2000 09:37
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How about a freeciv forum on apolyton!Freeciv is a civ2 clone with multiplayer capability. If you want to learn more about freeciv go to www.freeciv.org .
The AI (allmost) doesn't cheat, but will still give everybody a run for their money at the hardest level. ps: Have you tried freeciv on your newly installed linux yet, MarkG? pps: My fog of war patch is now in CVS together with a lot of my bugfixes, so if you want to try that one just download current CVS  . This means it will be in the next official freeciv release |
DanQ
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Ontario, Canada
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posted March 16, 2000 11:23
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We are working on a FreeCiv section, as matter of fact, for our Alternative Civs area.It should (hopefully) be unveiled by the end of the month. ----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS |
don Don
King
It's too hot here.
b.02-15-99
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posted March 20, 2000 19:09
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I've looked at that, but the last thing I want is a Civ with even more unbalancing Wonders. But it is nice to know it's out there, sticking it to MicroSoft and rampant capitalism. |
Rasputin00
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May 99
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posted March 21, 2000 05:05
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freeciv ounds good but wheres the windows version ??? |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted March 21, 2000 09:29
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Originally posted by Rasputin00 on 03-21-2000 05:05 AM
freeciv ounds good but wheres the windows version ???
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Waiting for you to port it...
Most freeciv developers are too busy to use their time to port to every little obscure fringe OS. But we do have the important ones like linux, solaris, mac, amiga, beos, misc unixes... quote:
I've looked at that, but the last thing I want is a Civ with even more unbalancing Wonders. But it is nice to know it's out there, sticking it to MicroSoft and rampant capitalism.
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Why are the wonders more unbalanced than in payciv?
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Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 01, 2000 08:21
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*BUMP*So how about that forum?
And how is the freeciv page coming along?
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DanQ
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Ontario, Canada
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posted April 01, 2000 12:54
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An announcement will be made on Wednesday as to who will be taking over the Alt. Civs. section, and one of their first orders of business will be to complete the FreeCiv section.----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 24, 2000 19:32
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It seems to be dragging out somewhat...Since freeciv has an open development mailing list and is in very active development right now I hope the ones who get to administer it is subscribed... |
CapTVK
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posted April 25, 2000 04:22
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We're finally going to get a FreeCiv forum? That's great! I remember asking about it once when there was a discussion about developing ACS but that was over a year ago (talk about slow paperwork).For the record, I think we need a forum on FreeCiv foremost and a webpage later. www.freeciv.org already answers most of the technical questions but we need more user oriented questions answered. Questions from windows users in particular.
Granted, FreeCiv is not for the fainthearted and can be a pain to set up properly so it'll probably be a support forum for us (struggling) Linux/windows users in the short/medium run.
Eagerly awaiting the forum. But is it a 'this week' or more of a 'somewhere in the coming months' type of project?
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Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 25, 2000 07:03
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Actually it is quite easy to set up under linux/amiga. It is only the windows port that was an afterthought.Please everybody who want a freeciv forum post here. Since my last post 4 patches have been posted to freeciv-dev. *Thue goes off to finish coding the patch that will add AC style alliances to freeciv* |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 26, 2000 09:34
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If you insist on having a freeciv section (when what is really needed is a freeciv forum), but lack a maintainer, I suggest posting to freeciv@freeciv.org asking if anybody want the job. |
DanQ
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Ontario, Canada
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posted April 26, 2000 09:59
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I need to clarify/comment on a couple of things here:1) FreeCiv forum -- while a FreeCiv sub-section is currently under development, and should be launched within the month actually, a forum for the game is not planned to open at the same time. If someone from the FC team asked us to open one, however, we would do so as quickly as possible. 2) As for "slow paperwork", our Alt. Civs. section unfortunately has not received the attention it deserves -- at least, until a few weeks ago when he 'hired' a person to look after the area, Paul. FreeCiv will be the latest addition to the games we cover in our Alternative Civilizations area. ----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 26, 2000 14:09
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Umm, I am a part of the FC team! I even have write access authority to CVS.
It is me who have programmed the fog of war in CVS, the airplane goto soon to go in, and am working on the pacts patch. (besides lots of bugfixes)If you don't believe me go to www.freeciv.org and find the administrators' email adresses. Any of them can conferm it is so. (And no, you did not open one as quickly as possible when asked:P)
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast
Apr 99
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posted April 26, 2000 15:18
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Thue, Geeez that looks interesting!Thank you very much. Got a question though, w/ version 1.10 do I download targz ot tar bz2 if I want to play on win 95?
DOS? |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 26, 2000 16:39
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Hmm; the place to go is http://www.freeciv.org/windows.html , but that page is seriously bad formulated.
What I can understand is this:
-There is no newer version than 1.9 available
-You will need to get a commercial X-server (no adequate free ones available)
-It will be a major hassle to get it workingI don't think anyone is actively working on getting newer versions to work. Someone is working on a java 1.10 client, but that one is far from completion. There has been some work on a native windows client, but again this seem to be very slow. Probably easier to just install linux . May I recomment linux-mandrake. (Administrators: no freeciv forum yet? You can do quicker than that ) |
Lancer
Emperor
Oregon Coast
Apr 99
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posted April 26, 2000 19:44
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Thue, I went to the freeciv org site you listed and went to the downloads section. In the downloads appears to be a choice 1.10, I just don't know which one to download. I went to the site you mentioned in the above post but I have no clue if I have an X server, or what that is.Is there any hope of a guy like me, w/ almost no comp skills and too old and funky to get comp skills ever playing freeciv? Is there no site I can go to that says... X Click here to download freeciv. Or should I wait a few more months or years till you guys get it polished? |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 27, 2000 04:59
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The "click here to download" is the freeciv source; it compiles directly for unix/linux and amiga, but is not suited for windoze.
When using it for windows some changes have to be made first, which is what someone had done for the 1.9 version. Apperantly it is not done for 1.10 .I guess that if you wanted to play it the easiest way would be to install linux first, as I said. Linux Mandrake has an install just as easy as win98 in most cases, so it is not as far-fetched as it seems. |
CapTVK
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b.02-15-99
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posted April 27, 2000 05:12
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Thue,Maybe we could use the Amiga version with WinUAE? I have never tried this before but it could work. If someone made an 'amiga in a box' with FreeCiv perhaps?(HD image for UAE with several programs installed)
Probably would be easier to use WinUAE than Linux as the Amiga seems to be well supported already. |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 27, 2000 06:03
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Freeciv use a good deal of computing power for some things; it would be way to slow to emulate. |
DanQ
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Ontario, Canada
b.02-15-99
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posted April 27, 2000 09:57
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Are you formally requesting a FC forum on Apolyton then, Thue? If so, please contact Mark and I via email to discuss all the details about getting one going. ----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS |
Mark von Wagner
Warlord
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May 99
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posted April 28, 2000 02:12
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Quick instructions for installing FreeCiv on Windows:1) Go to www.starnet.com and download the demonstration version of X-Win32. Install it. 2) Download the Windows 1.9 version of FreeCiv from http://www.freeciv.org/windows.html 3) Start "Freeciv Server (do not announce game on metaserver)" from the start menu. 4) Type "set aifill 5" (or however many total players (human and computer) you want). Hit "enter". 4) Start X-Win32 5) Start the FreeCiv client from the start menu. 6) From the "Freeciv Server Selection" tab of the dialog box that comes up, enter the name you want to use in the "Name" field. Click the "Connect" button. 7) Switch back to the Civserver. Type "start" and press "enter". This starts the game. 8) X-Win32 will give you a message every half-hour or so that you will only be able to use it for a limited time. When it gives you a warning that it will quit in 15 minutes, select "Quit" from the FreeCiv "Game" menu. Click on the X-Win32 button on the taskbar and select "close". Repeat steps 4, 5, and 6. This will reconnect you to your game. 9) Remember, the AI isn't very knowlegable about diplomacy
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Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 28, 2000 04:42
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Thanks... I don't have windows so I am not very knowledgeable... (but what a pain with that nagware!)
Let us hope that someone has the heart to compile a laterwversion for windows. You are missing some great features in 1.9 (and bug fixes) build queues, barbarians...
Not to mention that you cannot play with the CVS, the development version.
ps: I asked them officially to make a freeciv forum. Let us see how quickly it is possible to do that |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 28, 2000 04:54
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oh and 4.33) type "explain" to have a list of options. to "explain <option>" to have furthe information about a particular option. "set <option> <value>" will set it. 4.66) The ai defaults to easy. Type "hard" to have a challenge. The hard AI allmost doesn't cheat. (only it can see a little more of the map than you in some cases and it doesn't respect maximum tax rates).
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Kumiorava
Warlord
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b.02-15-99
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posted April 28, 2000 13:14
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KRAAAAH!!!Nobody told me 1.10 was out...
Damn. I can't see the point of making a windoze port. If your only OS is Win95/98, there is only program thing that can save you: FDISK FOR DOS! Then hurry up and get Linux, and your soul can still be saved. |
adaMada
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Mar 2000
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posted April 28, 2000 15:44
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Originally posted by Thue on 03-21-2000 09:29 AM
But we do have the important ones like linux, solaris, mac, amiga, beos, misc unixes...
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Thue: Is a mac version there? I can't seem to find one… |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 28, 2000 20:13
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Oh sorry - my fault, there isn't. There is one labelled PowerPC, which I thought were MAC, but it is for linux on a MAC . |
Thue
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posted April 28, 2000 20:16
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Originally posted by Kumiorava on 04-28-2000 01:14 PM
KRAAAAH!!!Nobody told me 1.10 was out...
Damn. I can't see the point of making a windoze port. If your only OS is Win95/98, there is only program thing that can save you: FDISK FOR DOS! Then hurry up and get Linux, and your soul can still be saved.
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You got it! 
btw: if you have linux I strongly recomment getting the latest CVS. It has tons of cool new features and bugfixes, and you will be using the cutting edge freeciv! (plus the developers get more testers :P)
Once you have seen how easy it is to change the source code there is no going back!
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DanQ
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Ontario, Canada
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posted April 29, 2000 10:11
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Thue has contacted Markos and I, and we are currently reviewing the application. Stay tuned!----------------
Dan; Apolyton CS |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 29, 2000 14:52
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Some nice person (?can you be a good person if you use windows? ) posted an 1.10 windows version today (still needs an X server). It is at ftp://ftp.freeciv.org/freeciv/incoming/FCIV1100.EXE
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Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 29, 2000 18:39
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Some people on the freeciv mailing lists say they allready frequent apolyton, so the forum won't be completely empty |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted April 30, 2000 05:55
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Will the wonders never end? quote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 11:03:18PM -0400, Todd Goodman wrote:
> > > I've finally uploaded a 1.10.0 version of the self installing
> > > package for Freeciv 1.10.0 for Windows NT/95/98 (and I suppose
> > > 2000, but I don't have a machine here running that).
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> > Great news! Will you be updating the page that is referred to
> > from http://www.freeciv.org/faq/faq.html ?I haven't mentioned it before, but I usually keep a recent CVS build
for windows at http://www2.msstate.edu/~mhp1/ Current copy is http://www2.msstate.edu/~mhp1/freeciv-win-20000429.zip It doesn't auto-install - just unzip it into a directory and run the
batch files (civ.bat and serv.bat) I usually post an updated copy every 4 days or so. It is compiled
using cygwin so you will need an X server. We usually use X-Win32 from
starnet. I do this because while I run a Unix machine, everyone I play freeciv
with runs Windows and we didn't want to wait for the fog of war code
to show up in a release. Michael
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They like my Fog of War code 
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adaMada
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posted April 30, 2000 18:42
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Originally posted by Thue on 04-28-2000 08:13 PM
Oh sorry - my fault, there isn't. There is one labelled PowerPC, which I thought were MAC, but it is for linux on a MAC .
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Then you don't have every important system… ------------------
adaMada
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Kumiorava
Warlord
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posted April 30, 2000 20:22
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Thanks Thue, I'll check out the CVS. Btw,do you know if somebody has made/is making a GUI for civserver? If we manage to get some converts from the Windoze heretics here, most of them will probably be scared of again when they realize that they will have to know what a TERMINAL WINDOW (eeek!) is, and actually TYPE IN COMMANDS (scary stuff, isn't it?) to start a game. |
CapTVK
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posted May 01, 2000 05:02
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Originally posted by Thue on 04-30-2000 05:55 AM
Will the wonders never end? [This message has been edited by Thue (edited April 30, 2000).]
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Just tested this Windows version with X-Win32, it works perfectly. Installed X-win32 and Freeciv, activated X-Win,started the server, started the client and was ready to go. It works far better than that previous windows port I tried out. Now I have to figure out how to play this online...
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Thue
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posted May 01, 2000 06:36
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I think someone made an app for that I think - see www.freeciv.org/projects/projects.html -> WMCiv
I haven't tried it though.
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Just tested this Windows version with X-Win32, it works perfectly. Installed X-win32 and Freeciv, activated X-Win,started the server, started the client and was ready to go.
It works far better than that previous windows port I tried out. Now I have to figure out how to play this online...
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Yardk - That mean .... he must have windows installed *brings out garlic and cross* Anyway, to play online, start a client, go to http://meta.freeciv.org/metaserver/ and pick a game in "pregame" state, type in the relevant server and port in the client connect window and connect.
Ty type commands just type a / in front, ie "/set aifill 14"
There are only 1.10 version servers available, but if you start your own server with "civserver -m" it will annouce itself to the metaserver, and other players will see it and be able to connect. That way you can have your own CVS server. |
Thue
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posted May 03, 2000 08:59
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quote:
Originally posted by DanQ on 04-26-2000 09:59 AM
If someone from the FC team asked us to open one, however, we would do so as quickly as possible.
Dan; Apolyton CS
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Well, we are still waiting... *Here I could make comments about the range of what is possible for some people, but I won't * |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
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posted May 03, 2000 10:25
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obviously, what is considered a crime for an apolyton admin is to take some time off(so to speak, he should still reply to mails and posts and make a couple news items) and visit his parents during Easter... |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted May 03, 2000 10:42
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Nah, it is just DanQ who made a very easy target with his own "As quickly as possible" |
Kumiorava
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posted May 03, 2000 20:10
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Maby we should start harrassing him over e-mail, then? |
Rasputin00
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posted May 09, 2000 07:42
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ok i downladed xwin32 and freeciv from your site but i cant get it to instlal it dsoenst make any sense obviosuly noty for novices... |
Kumiorava
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posted May 09, 2000 18:21
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Check the other topics in this section. You should find the help you need, or at least a link to where you can find it. |
Rasputin00
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May 99
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posted May 12, 2000 19:23
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well I tried again .. mamaged t oinstlal freeciv this time.. but when i activate it from my Start Menu it opens MS-DOS prompt and runs thrtough a little batch file and finally ends with C:\Program Files\Freeciv>set FREECIV_DATADIR=.\data
C:\Program Files\Freeciv>set HOME=.
C:\Program Files\Freeciv>if exist postrun.txt goto start
C:\Program Files\Freeciv>civserver
This is the server for Freeciv version 1.10.0
You can learn a lot about Freeciv at http://www.freeciv.org/
0: setsockopt failed: The descriptor is a file, not a socket
0: bind failed: The descriptor is a file, not a socket
C:\Program Files\Freeciv> |
CapTVK
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posted May 13, 2000 09:52
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Ras,Try to state the problem a little more clearly. I've been running FreeCiv with X-win32 on WinNT for a few weeks now and it works without a hitch. This checklist might help you further.
Did you install X-win32?
Did X-win32 install properly?
Did you activate X-win32 beforing starting the Civserver?
Did the server start up properly?
Did you active the Civserver BEFORE starting the Civclient?
When you start the civclient the server window will inform you that a player has logged in. Does this happen?
This pointers might help a bit, good luck.
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Kumiorava
Warlord
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b.02-15-99
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posted May 13, 2000 18:20
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One more good tip that I remember has worked for Windows before:- Cross your fingers, close your eyes, and PRAY!
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Rasputin00
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posted May 15, 2000 05:15
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Actually I followed the steps spelt out above in ealrier posts, According to ealrier post by Mark Von Wagner
You start Freciv first not XWin32.Any way I tried doing it both ways, how do I check it is installed properly, Xwin that is... As a purely Windows man this is very frustrating, but I am persistent and will try try again Whe ni activate Xwin a window pops up that asks me to configure it . well how do i do that, whixh server does it want me to add... For us initiated o X servers please spell it out plainer on how to activate Xwin properly Yes I did start "Freeciv server dont annoucne game on metaserver" first.... |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted May 15, 2000 06:36
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I am quite sure it would be frustrating too for a linux user, which is why some people became linux users in the first place |
Kumiorava
Warlord
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posted May 15, 2000 20:50
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Oh yeah! Ever tried building configuring one of the older releases of XFree86 on a box with a non-standard kernel? |
Rasputin00
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May 99
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posted May 16, 2000 01:28
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when linux has all the softeware i currently use i wiull swicth too |
Thue
Freeciv Developer
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posted May 16, 2000 05:16
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Originally posted by Kumiorava on 05-15-2000 08:50 PM
Oh yeah! Ever tried building configuring one of the older releases of XFree86 on a box with a non-standard kernel?
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No, but I find maintaining my current linux box much less challenging than I did windows :P
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sigra
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posted May 16, 2000 17:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Rasputin00 on 05-16-2000 01:28 AM
when linux has all the softeware i currently use i wiull swicth too
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What software is missing for you in linux? |
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