quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 03-04-2001 06:37 PM There is no comparison between civ 2 and ctp 2 for one simple reason - multiplayer doesn't work in ctp 2. This is a tragedy because this game could have been a star as multiplayer game. As a single player game the ai is so weak, the game isn't worth playing.

You and your multiplayer, AH.
But there are a lot more reasons why CtP2 isn't in the same league as civ2. The most obvious being that the game lacks the 'heart' aspect. It just seems so sterile and doesn't make you feel like you're a part of whatever you're playing, or that you're building a civ/empire.

I also like the interface. Its easier to sit back and play a game. You can click about and check on things pretty easily.

Now, if only to AI had been better and the cities more detailed (I'd give my left whoosit if they had really put in the city unhappyness as it appears in the flat files). But outside of that, I have to admit that I enjoy CTP2 a little more than Civ2.

I'm really banking on Wes's mod to fill in the gaps.

Oh, and one more thing - at least in CTP2, you have ancient battles. In Civ, you dont conflict with anyone else until the middle ages. Where are my trireme battles? Where are my hoplites sweaping forth?

I went back to Civ2 and just couldn't stay away. So lets hope Wes can knock it home with his mod.

I disagree with a couple of your points.

Combat is overall more effective in Civ2 - TOT then in
CTP2. In TOT the AI knows about some effective Strategies
and Tactics, in CTP2 its as dumb as a brick. Stacks are good
but if you don't know what to do with them ... one needs to make
modifications to Ctp2 like the 'frenzy' mod.

The comment on the advancement balance indicates you have
not played at the 'impossible' level. You learn how to max
your advancement to catch up or you will be attacked by superior
forces.

I think stealing technology is the right way, though it is
somewhat unbalanced in Civ2. There needs to be a mod to Civ2
for a effective deterrent earlier in the game. Also I think
if you capture an enemys key city you should be able to attain
an advancement from your enemy.

Each game has its advantages, but out of the box I would give
the top award to Civ2-TOT without reservations.

Spelelunk forever,

Dennis

Can you discribe or sent me pictures of city view in CTP2. I will be very thinkful if you do.

Any Conversation about Activision, Stirs up my anger... Go out and buy EU ,It provides 10-fold the Competition and Entertainment CTP2 does,Hope Civ3 will be more Graduated than this Piece of Garbage.

Went ahead and Returned CTP2(for all 52.00$ !, Ater 5 months of Tweaking around with the AI, I decided they were hopeless,And forever dumb.Hundreds of F***IN Games and maybe 2 citys were Captured. Now that CTP2 is selling for Dirt Cheap ($9.99 ha!) I might just go buy it again (na...lol). Stores Cant seem to get rid of this Pathetic game fast enough,I wonder why....? CTP2 is like an Inflated Currency Too much too go around , but it isnt Worth the Paper its on.

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Go ahead , im awaiting your (mislead) Replys, Im Expecting a Full Blown Assault Bye Activisions Many Corporate Lackeys (you know who you are).

Selelunk til ya puke,

In general, I feel that CTP2 is a better game than CIV2... but only slightly. I'd say it pretty much squeaks by.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Civ2's Animated High Council!
I absolutely loved that! You could hear and watch your council member's bicker over your policies anytime you wanted, and also they changed their appearance during each age. That was great... why didn't CTP2 have something like it?

Oh.. I forgot; $Activision$

-- Skeeve

I better stop, I am starting to rant.

Oh.. my mistake, they did carry something once: A Settler. And dropped him off at the south pole to rot!