Was just wondering if there are any planned updates for the FrenzyMod? Bug fixes, refinements, adding the no-Frenzy-when-allied code that BlueO posted in a previous thread?

I still don't get it with the unit updater--why does it only work for the human once all the AIs have the necessary tech and update their units first? Doesn't that eliminate the point of being the first to uncover new advances in warfare?

quote: Originally posted by Dale on 02-26-2001 05:00 PM Don't know about anyone else, but I don't think the unit-updater for humans is too good. I mean, it's hard enough for the AI already without the added problem of this. Usually I'm slow in the science ranking until late renaiss/early modern when the good units start becoming available (battleship/arty/tanks/machinegunner). By this stage I'm in the lead for science. Makes it even harder for the AI if I've fortified muskets and cannons near their cities then suddenly BANG they ALL upgrade to arty/machineguns. So I just don't think I deserve getting the auto-upgrading of units. If you did have the upgrade why would you bother spending heaps of shields on the expensive-powerful units when you could just build a hoplite, fortify it and BOOF, oooooo, now it's a marine!

That's a very good point. Also remember, though, that it updates the AI units. If you play at a harder difficulty level, with Frenzy, you should find it more of a challenge as the AI will attack you with larger stacks and will also have a lead (or be equal with you) in terms of science. After all, I hate nothing than having about 120 Phalanx and archers, researching gunpowder and having to replace all of those units, many of whom are out in the field. It's simply too much hassle and not really very realistic.

The way frenzy plays is the AI doesn't leave many units in its cities so I park half-size stacks of units near its cities then when it frenzies me I walk in and take out most of its cities with my half-stacks. He runs out of shields and has to disband his units. AI ends up with no frenzy and no defense. If my units auto-upgraded, it'd be even easier. Question: How could the AI use the new units if your units are auto-upgrading at the same time? This is what frenzy does. When one civ has a tech, all civs get the unit upgrades.

quote: Originally posted by Dale on 02-26-2001 10:56 PM I was talking about impossible level. The way frenzy plays is the AI doesn't leave many units in its cities so I park half-size stacks of units near its cities then when it frenzies me I walk in and take out most of its cities with my half-stacks. He runs out of shields and has to disband his units. AI ends up with no frenzy and no defense. If my units auto-upgraded, it'd be even easier. Question: How could the AI use the new units if your units are auto-upgrading at the same time? This is what frenzy does. When one civ has a tech, all civs get the unit upgrades.

My experience when I've been playing is that the AI isn't that much of a walkover at the extreme difficulty levels, at least not for someone as useless at Civ games as me.

quote: Originally posted by Dale on 03-01-2001 07:46 PM Steve: With the latest diplomacy mod on the files database, it shouldn't be accepting everything. I've had lots of reports of the AI actually snobbing you off. The reason the AI rejected everything in the unmodified CTP2 is because the default state is to refuse it. Then the AI would send you a proposal for the exact same thing (or worse counter-propose the exact same thing). After finishing the diplomacy mod I'll take a look at the Frenzy AI mod and see what I can do.

Hey,

I have noticed that with Diplomod and Frenzy the AI with regards to diplomacy is a lot better, however it is still very disappointing that the AI will not create treaties or strategical alliances with each other (unless of course you get them to the highest frenzy level, at which point they all gang up on the human player). Obviously this isn't a fixable problem, so never mind.

If you do have a look at Frenzy, that would be great, considering the wonders you've worked with Diplomacy! I still want to see a means for the human player to be able to logical unit upgrades, though.

Sugestion: like diplomod, put a Frenzy Welcome Screen on game start