I also saw an interesting effect when I switched to cheat mode: I made a world full of water, gave every player a sea-colonizer (sorry, don't know about the exaxt word for it, I have the german version), turned off fog of war and looked what the AI would do. Then, the surprise: A little moment before the city had been built (by the AI) the city already was here - but with the real sea-sprite!. But as soon as the colonizer went into the city, the sprite changed and the city looked just like every other city does.

So two little questions:
1) Is the mistake with the sea-colonies in every case in every game on every computer, or are only some people having this problem?
2) Why do the colonies have the right sprite just a moment before they are really built at all?

ok
cu
chris

PS: I didn't know exactly into which part of the forum I should write, so I put it into the general. I hope, this wasn't a too big mistake

quote: Originally posted by Gwap on 01-31-2001 07:12 AM I'm not quite sure how undersea cities should play but I likes them the way they are in my game. Allowed me to include the sea within my borders and make tunnels between my various islands. Saves me on ferrying troops about with the rubbishly slow transport ships; they drive themselves. And seeing as the AI (artificial idiot) doesn't attack, they're quite safe even if they aren't supposed to stick out above the waves (handy so you can rest your planes and missiles on them).

The problem with them is that they are supposed to look like sea cities. If you've ever played CTP1 then you'll know what I mean. In CTP1, the sea cities also couldn't build certain units and improvements.

In fact, I think CTP1 was less buggy and just as good as CTP2. CTP2 really is a pile of w—k.

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Didnt they get rid of the space layer because it was buggy???? hmmmmmmm

I have looked at all the files trying to figure out how to put the proper icon for sea cities back in the game, but I haven't come up with anything. I am totally at a lost to know what to do. Is there anyway to fix this problem? It really bugs me.

I have finally found the solution to the whole Ocean City sprite thing. The key to the whole thing lies in the agecitystyle.txt file. Each age has its own set of icons for each city size and style. The problem comes in when you try to build an Undersea city before the 4th or 5th ages. Ocean City sprites don't appear until then.

What I did was I took the sprites for the Ocean City in the 4th and 5th ages and copied them to all the previous ages and styles. This way, when I went into cheat mode and gave myself a Sea Engineer and built an Undersea City, it gave me the proper sprite.

I also noticed another property of this file. The Ocean City sprites only go up to cities of size 40. After that, the sprite reverts back to the equivalent sprite of the equivalent sized Land City for that age and style. The Land Cities allow much larger city sprite size styles than the Ocean Cities do.

One fix for this may be to make equivalent Sea City entries for the different size ranges for Sea Cities after 40 and then just assign the last Sea City sprite to all the following sizes. Alternatively, someone could take it upon themselves to creat new Sea City sprites for each of the remaining Sea City size ranges.

On a side note, if anybody is interested, the largest city size possible in CTP2 is size 200. Don't know if that was already known.

Regards,

But, maybe the mistake lies in the difference of how ctp1 and ctp2 handle sea cities: While in ctp1 everything about the citystyle in the various ages seems to be in age.txt, in ctp2 those things have been splitted into age.txt and (more important, imho) into agecitystile.txt. So, maybe that's really a hardcoded implementation-mistake we cannot do too much about...

I tested it in the Diamond age and it worked fine for me. Are you sure you copied the entried before you moved them. You may have accidentally used cut instead. This catches me sometimes. Also, if the sea cities are larger than 40, they start using the land sprites again.

quote: Originally posted by Pintello on 02-06-2001 04:57 PM Hi Chrisis, I tested it in the Diamond age and it worked fine for me. Are you sure you copied the entried before you moved them. You may have accidentally used cut instead. This catches me sometimes. Also, if the sea cities are larger than 40, they start using the land sprites again. Timothy Pintello

Yes, I have really copied, not pasted, I've looked more than once over the file . And no, they are not greater than size 40 .May it be possible that you sent me your agecitystile.txt so that I could compare mine and yours? That would be really nice.

Some say that Craptivision also knew, that both the water and the land layers were buggy too.

quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan on 02-09-2001 07:15 AM Alpha Wolf, your post feb. 2 2001 at 00:46. Some say that Craptivision also knew, that both the water and the land layers were buggy too. But obviously they didn't dare to remove these layers also

LOL..I luv it!
Craptivision!
I am not so good at names..I had been mis-quoting the company name as SUCK-U-Vision!

Thanks for posting this correct name TheBirdman

quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan on 02-09-2001 07:15 AM Alpha Wolf, your post feb. 2 2001 at 00:46. Some say that Craptivision also knew, that both the water and the land layers were buggy too. But obviously they didn't dare to remove these layers also

I wish they had removed the land and sea layers: if they did, we would all be playing Civilization 2 right now and the world would be a better place.

Jonny