Poor whites for awhile in the south were denied the right to vote along with freed blacks and there was really only one party to vote for if you valued your property or your life - Democratic, because otherwise you would be lynched or have your house burned down.

The north was incapable of evening defeating the Rag and tag Army of Northern Virginia. Lee took this army and for 3 years chased the Yanks around at the battles of Mannasses , Bull Run, Antietnam , and Bull run 2.Only At gettysburg did the yankees finally learn that the Rebels were a superior fighting orce. You know when a Reb army of 80,000 Pushes a Yankee force of 290,000 all the way from Richmond to Pennsylvania is a much superior army.

The south never used Nazi Tactics you idiot. The Democratic party in control then (yes DEMOCRATIC , The political Grandfather of Clinton , Gore , Etc.) Allowed more freedom then the Republican North.Example- Service wasnt mandatory , Martial law wasnt imposed , and Southerners were free to do what they wanted.

These days the South Now not only has more people......it is more economically Powerful than the north. (florida and texas make up 17% of us economy alone)

By the way I thought i put a post in this thread asking for Questions for a modding FAQ that i'm writing i'm really desperate now and can't think of anything more.Reply here or in this forum or e-mail me @ Gondhi_dm@hotmail.com . If anyone wants to write a Question and answer i'll put it in with full credit 2 U.

quote: Originally posted by David Murray on 02-03-2001 04:40 AM MrFun is totally right in his summarization of the Southern states at that time...they were characterized by terror, burnings and lynchings by white-hooded kooks and police, official apartheid and racial tyranny...anyone who denies that fact is an ignorant revisionist who smears the memory of all those decent, honest black people who were brutally murdered at the time.

I think I should point out that an "ignorant revisionist" is another way of saying a "Republican".

And of course, I have done independent reading on pre-Civil War, Civil War and Reconstruction in the United States. The Ku Klux Klan was founded as a political terrorist organization by Confederate veterans to ensure the revival of the dominance of Democrats in the South.

Before the 1940s, the Democrats was the party of white supremacy while the Republican party was founded on racial idealism until Republicans betrayed the ghost of Lincoln.

quote: Originally posted by Steve5304 on 02-03-2001 07:20 PM Yea but spreading such rumours about my Brave Sourthern Relatives Angers me. One marched and survived Picketts Charge.And another died at the Battle of Shiloh. I am proud of my Heritage and im proud of them ! --------------- 'the south will rise again'

The truth hurts, boy.

And these aren't rumours, they're truths.

Although I know this is the wrong place and everything, I still get my back up from people telling me to shut up when they are not forced to read this topic.

But I agree. If any of you want to debate politics, I recommend www.turnleft.com/interactive.html

Redneck? i live in Racine wisconsin............My relatives are from the south. I dont listen to pointless Babbling from people like you. Confedrates were Heroes........Tho the war was lost...or was it? The Old Political party of the south has taken over American Politics? Southernern states through out reconstruction Legislation in 1974. In the South We have State holidays Celebrating the Rise of the south. We Call ourselves Confedrates.....not americans. The Desendents of Slaves are all Trapped in Urban Areas and live like animals,As drawn out bye Democratic President Jefferson Davis in the Marshall Plan .... Just in case the South lost the war.

Spend some time thinkin Murray..Who imposed whos will?
The Southern Democratic Party Became the Democratic Party.........And we made it look like we are Inclusive...to get votes , Notice in 8 years Clinton has done 0 to get them out of the Ghetto.(He needs to keep them in one place so when the time comes to Ship them off or kill them off)

none of these comments are Racist.....But i am still Enraged at David calling me a Redneck.If He can Insult my Heritage , I have no mercy for his.

note to reader: i drink of beer tonight, and Cant stop yapping

i see no more use for this thread now that its been taken over bye Slack-Jawed Gawkers who stop at nothing to put down other peoples Upbringing.......Even sending them Threatining EMAIL.

do it again and I will ~!?%@ nuke you murray........no kiddin

Lock away your grannies, the hillbilly brigade has managed to get out of the mental hospital.

1) the South fought to preserve slavery - not state rights.

2) the South tried to force a fake government in the territory of Kansas through corrupt voting processes by Missourians before the Civil War

3) Southerners burned huamn beings alive after the Civil War through the 1930s

4) blacks are in ghettos due to lack of mobility available to them, poverty, and denial of opportunity

5) the South had a defacto one-party dictatorship based on white supremacy until the 1960s

1)SOUTHERN STATES WERE PROTECTING THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION!THE 1ST TRUE CONSTITUTION

2)The NORTH ILLEGALY OCCUPYED KENTUCKY BEFORE IT COULD JOIN THE CONFEDERACY.AND THEY LET KENTUCKY KEEP THERE SLAVES.

3)Body Burning was a Regular thing Back then to prevent Chollera and Dysentery in both north and south.What do you think they did with the 30,000 dead union Soldiers At Gettysburg? Bury them? Ha! then Mass Disease would follow.

4)Face it southerners were Patriots They wanted Freedom From the North Just like the Colonys wanted Freedom From Britian.....Classic Example of David Stand up against Goliath and poking him in the eye.

"Susie take my sunshine! Susie take my sunshine."

What on earth are you guys crapping on about? This is CTP2!!!!!!

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Since I live in ye Olde Worlde with ye olde political systems perhaps I am not qualified to comment- but doesn't anyone else find the whole gun lobby argument rather moot. I jsut cannot understand why anyone in their right mind would consider that having objects designed with the only purpose of hurting/ killing others freely available, is a sensible position to hold. Yes, here in ye olde worlde we do allow the free possession of knives for example, but a) they have other uses and b) are far less likely to kill than a gun. Thank god I work for the knife-making industry over here!!! (actually I don't- I am a medic- we rarely see firearms injuries in this part of the world- thankfully).

Back to CTPII- I cannot in good conscience vote for theocracy- I have only one REAL hate in this Earth and that is religion and its mindless followers. Maybe this is just a reaction to being told by various religious traditions that I am evil, sinful and wicked for being homosexual. Or perhaps it is simply that i can see through the crap- (go to www.memetics.com for an interesting weltanschauung).

For a similar reason I cannot play as a fascist for long either as the moral centres in my brain find it hard to tease apart the benefits in the game (eg. more miliitary) from the historical record of this in reality. Admittedly though I have used this form in my games, but rationalising it, by imagining a fictitious Fascist regime where all the cute men in Jackboots are gay!! They merrily go around imposing their world view that pink curtains and green velour carpets just DO NOT MATCH! Just watch them fight though. LOL!

As for ecotopian governments- hmm nice sentiment, but get real. Frankly I like having all the trappings of the modern world, and would hate to have to go back in time to a world where one was scared to leave a light bulb on for two minutes too long.

There that's my two pence worth/ two euros/ two cents/ two whatevers.

Anyway, I have fallen in love with the Communist government for its great production power and I am really not hindered at all by slow research under Communism since my economy is always light years above everyone else's by that time.