And you sheeple are going to let them fleece you again. Don't do it, rise up on your hind legs and tell them "Enough!" Look at the facts, look at their track record. Two patches, if your lucky. And don't forget that (in the U.S.) it's an election year, too! So Activision will promise you 2 chickens in every pot and you'll all bleat and get in line.

If you (that's right, I'm talking to you) don't stand up and say "No more", if you don't stop giving your money to unethical companies for shoddy products then shoddy products are all you (and I) will ever get. Don't believe me? Look at Windows.

The choice is yours.

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Big ups to Big Dave and all the other forum posters with their head on straight who have let Activison and their puppy dog, Mark G. know that we will not buy inferior products! Sing it in the mountains, boys! The fans come first and our feedback has obviously not been taken very seriously!

PBEM and hotseat....perhaps you're right.

Even still, I'm not going to hide away and say I won't buy the thing because you guys decide you're so eagerly against it. I can respect that you don't want to go down that track again, but I'm not going to be afraid to say I'll probably will buy it. And good luck to any others like me who decide (reviews pending) that they'll give it a shot.

If it turns out to be a dud, then I'll side with you guys in a month or so. Until then, I'm still happy to say I'll probably give it a go.

These anti-Activision threads always seem to come down to people who like the game being almost bullied. And I won't stand idly by!

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this will be a great game, supported until the year 2525. And those of you who are buying when it comes out, I wish you well. Buy it at EBX or somewhere else that will let you return it within 30 days.

Oh, and BTW, would anyone in here loan me $5,000 U.S.? Probably not, right? Why? Because you don't know me, you have no idea whether or not I'm a good risk, or if I'll pay you back even if I can! Would you make that $5,000 loan to your best friend for a good cause? Of course you would. You have a history with them, you know them and what their likely to do in a given situation. Well, guess what. I've seen Activision in action with CTP last time around. And this looks like the 2nd verse will be the same as the first to me.

But I sure hope not, believe it or not. Competition is good for the marketplace. We, the consumer, benefit from it. If Firaxis is the only one making TBS games (in general) and Civ games (in specific) then they can release whatever trash they want to and we (the consumer) can either buy that, or do without. I like alot of the inovation that Activision has added to the basic Civ concept. But stripping down the code, especially after admitting that the CTP2 engine was only a slightly reworked CTP engine, is not the way to advance new products.

And as for listening to your customers, well, Activision is only batting about .300 on that. I mean, if I were a major automotive manufacturer, MyCarCo, and I have an engine that gives 400 HP at 75 MPG (city) but my seat design had a huge lump right in the middle of the back, would consumers buy my cars? The few who do buy go out and purchase after-market seats, but contact my Customer Service dept, but I refuse to change my seat design. Am I likely to get much repeat business? Would you buy from MyCarCo again?

You are being sold on hype (see also cotton candy). You have bought the sizzle, but I want the steak. So Activision, "Where's the beef"?

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 10-31-2000 04:57 PM election year, huh? that totally opened my mind! you're right! down with activision!!

Ok, I forgot to put the smileys after that line, sorry.

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Geez...If it would shud-uppa-your-a-face-a...I would gladly refund your money..I mean..You would have thought Activision had raped your kids monkey or something as heinous as that!
Man..I aint..repaeting LOUDLY..I aint Not ATTACKING YOU..I am merely trying my best Carmine Da-Hump meets Siggy Freud..and trying to give you some much need Lucy-from Peanuts Therapy..(Here I'll drop a quarter in the cup for you my Big Dave Buddy!)

I am jusst so confused and Befuddled and darn right scratchin my Big Rosey-Red a#@-Hole to figure..(Or as My hero Jethro Bodeine..from Beverly Hillbillies sez.."Ciphering")..but cannot for the life of me see why you feel activision funked - up the CTP:1 game..My game works just fine..play it 4-6 nights a week..love it..wish I could figure out how to right some codes..but maybe one day..~sigh~

My Brother Big Dave..(Ripping a coupon good for a free therapy session out of the back of the phone book)..lets talk sometime..Im sorry for the bad taste this game has left you old buddy!!

Take a D E E P BREATH..Let it out....s..l..o..w..l..y...now dont ya feel like a new man???

God Bless

Brother Bruce Cronkite

quote: Originally posted by Tical_2000 on 10-31-2000 07:26 PM Ahhhhh yes! My people have spoken! Big ups to Big Dave and all the other forum posters with their head on straight who have let Activison and their puppy dog, Mark G. know that we will not buy inferior products! Sing it in the mountains, boys! The fans come first and our feedback has obviously not been taken very seriously! P.S. I don't work for Firaxis

Mark..I have allways respected what you say and support Activision and Apolyton and think you do a great job..and I love Dogs..WOW!!..I didnt realize you were a Puppy?..~sneer~

BTW..CTP:1 is not an inferior Product...Its a GREAT GAME!!

quote: Originally posted by Slax on 11-01-2000 11:17 PM Dr. D - Wasn't his name Jethro Clampett?

Nope, it's Jethro Bodine played by Max Baer Jr.. I think Jethro was a cousin. But it's been a while. Confirmation on IMDB at http://us.imdb.com/Title?0055662

Pyaray

-doesnt center on moving units during turns.
-if you had a system near the min. req. you could go to the bathroom in between turns and come back before it was finished.
-any plane attackin/defending over water would autodie
-a phalax could kill a plane (and this was complained about and fixed in civ 2 - which means activision did not do their homework)
-no notification when an improvement was built
-the interface was downgraded/made more difficult (not my opinion, but by human engineering (i.e. GUI) text book example of what NOT to do)
-whole units would disappear off the screen

and those are just off the top of my head, not to include multiplayer gliches that i have heard of, but never experienced because i don't use that aspect of the game.
in all honesty i have never seen so many CRITICAL fixes listed by a gaming company during a patch release(s).

it is the ONLY game i have ever shelved to wait for a patch just to use it. i waited for the patch like is was a new game. _the most_ disapointing/unpalyable game i ever baught. and teh ONLY GAME i ever actually downloaded a patch for.

while the game had _many_ new and enlightening features, most of them didnt work right. activision sucks, they push crap out the doors too fast and dont care about their consumers. i remember the good old days of activison when they would give the customers gifts (remember when the would give you gifts for getting high scors in pitfall for atari?) i used to love activision. but this game totally turned me against them. i am going to give them a second chance only becaue of my memoriable childhood with them reminds me that it is possible for the company to do better for their consumers. but i beleive warez is looking like a nice review/30 trial for this patch, err game (sorry, no EBX in my deprived area to have a 30 day trial legally) - IF it is good i will buy it, otherwise i wont have to flame the message boards when i get pissed cause i lost $40 for another unfinished/unplayable game.
i think one of their programmers summed up both CTP I & II rather well:

quote: There were a lot of really horrendous bugs that quite frankly we didn't know how to fix in the amount of time we have.

quote: Originally posted by Nemo on 11-02-2000 04:36 PM -doesnt center on moving units during turns.

quote: -if you had a system near the min. req. you could go to the bathroom in between turns and come back before it was finished.

quote: -any plane attackin/defending over water would autodie

quote: -a phalax could kill a plane (and this was complained about and fixed in civ 2 - which means activision did not do their homework)

quote: -no notification when an improvement was built

quote: -the interface was downgraded/made more difficult (not my opinion, but by human engineering (i.e. GUI) text book example of what NOT to do)

quote: -whole units would disappear off the screen

quote: Originally posted by Pyaray There were a lot of really horrendous bugs that quite frankly we didn't know how to fix in the amount of time we have. hmmmmmm, sounds familar doesnt it??????!!!!! yeah, thats what i thought!

Wow was that taken out of context. That quote is why we took out a feature. We are dedicated to releasing a quality game, and we would rather remove a feature that doesn't work right than have a feature that is buggy and crashing. Your entire post was about us not addressing bugs, and you use one of my posts about addressing bugs against us. That quote was me explaining why we removed a feature, to make the game higher quality so that we could spend more time fixing other things. As I said, we are dedicated to making a quality product, and part of that does mean decisions about cutting things we don't have time to do to benefit other things that we can do.

and yes the quote was taken WAY out of context, sorry - but it just seemed soooo fitting my adimosity is nothing personal against any of the programmers, it is the rush that is blatenly being put on you to release the game at X time (i.e. black friday) rather than making it what it should/could be. with several of teh features being removed that were even in the first release, it is too much of a reminissance of the CTP I release - and i fear getting ripped off again (and youcant simply say - 'well dont buy it' becsue i am a civ adict, so that wont do -well...actually it may if the reviews are bad ) - i want it to be as good as it can be (and you have shown us it could be) but my hopes are downfalling as i see many requested (e.g. hotseat pbem - even though i personally never used them) features being removed to meet X shipping time. and i dont want others feeling/being (still debatable which it was) ripped off like i - and others - have with ctp I

I was surprised (and not happy) when I realized that CTP did not have a hotseat version. It was a relief when it was finally fixed.

However..It is just on my Heart to Thank the GREAT FOLKS @ ACTIVISION for A S-U-P-E-R Game in Call To Power!!
Way to go Activision..Keep up the Great Work..and I Forgive you for a few Glitches in the CTP:1 release..and I am sure you will do another S-U-P-E-R J-O-B with version 2

God Bless

quote: Originally posted by Maccabee2 on 11-02-2000 05:25 PM Big Dave is not anti-Activision, he is merely displaying a good, old-fashioned virtue called "thriftiness." I find it refreshing in a culture where we buy tons of junk stamped with "Made in China." As I have mentioned before, it's not just $40 or the equivalent in your country's currency, it's the investment of valuable *time* when we hunt down, buy, install, and learn a new game....only to find that many of the problems we spent even more *time* pointing out meticulously to Activision have not been fixed or possibly even addressed. I am cautiously hopeful. I will wait for the reviews, and even more importantly, the posts that will deluge this forum after you bolder (perhaps more affluent?) civ gamers lead the charge in putting CTP2 through its shakedown cruise. Ironically, if CTP1 had not been a gift from some friends at work, my wife would have suffocated me in my sleep long ago. She just couldn't understand why I spent more than three months uninstalling and reinstalling CTP1 just to get it to the point that it would allow me to create a scenario (so I could play with specific opponents on a decent world map), move it to the right folder, and be able to load it from within the game. If I had actually bought that game with our own money, she would still be holding it over my head. I guess my point is, if Activision puts out a dud product, and we buy it, how does that make us look to our wives? Hmmmmm?

Buddy..I think you have some REALLY SERIOUS MARITAL PROBLEMS if purchasing a CD cause's problems in your marriage

Man..I am a DIE HARD Fan of CTP:1.....I am soo sorry you and many other have had a Hard Time..Maybe Building Blocks are more your Speed?..eh?
I reserve the right as an American to Defend Activision as a Great Company!!
Go get 'Em!

God Bless

quote: Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-02-2000 08:29 PM However..It is just on my Heart to Thank the GREAT FOLKS @ ACTIVISION for A S-U-P-E-R Game in Call To Power!! Way to go Activision..Keep up the Great Work..and I Forgive you for a few Glitches in the CTP:1 release..and I am sure you will do another S-U-P-E-R J-O-B with version 2 God Bless Brother Bruce

You forgot to burn your incense while you were worshiping Activision. And better get your perscription checked, rose colored glasses don't look good on anyone.

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quote: posted November 02, 2000 20:29 "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." -Michael Sinz [ Hmm..so your equating a sexual encounter to that of a programmer's job.....hmmm....maybe THAT'S WHY you think CTP:1 is a poor game?Well..I guess you have a good "HAND[le]" on things..eh? Oh Well..I stand by my opinion and you do too..so I guess we can all "Agree 2 Disagree"

well, since you have resorted to an uncalled for personal attack you ignorance has truely shown, thus proving that only the ingorant can find such a game as complete and playable out of the box. -Thank you for proving my point
And the signiture is rather appropiate, because as a programmer myself, i/my company actually supports our work if there are flaws with it - unlike activision - and that is how it is like having kids (yeah, thats right, a "sex MISTAKE" = kids). and what it iis saying is that you have to support your programs just as you would your children, i.e. you have to obligate yourself to your mistakes. i figured i had to spell it out since you are too stupid to figure it out on your own.
Now- if you have any VALID reasons as to why the game was actually playabe out of the box i would love to hear it, because it certainly was not a balanced, nor critical bug free game.

quote: Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-03-2000 09:29 AM You forgot to burn your incense while you were worshiping Activision. And better get your perscription checked, rose colored glasses don't look good on anyone.

Nope..I wear Photo-Gray..to keep the Brilliant Lights from Life's experiences down to a minimum!!
Nor does one's ARSE..HEH HEH HEH..all HUMPED up on ones shoulders..

God Bless
Brother Bruce

quote: Originally posted by Nemo on 11-03-2000 12:44 PM well, since you have resorted to an uncalled for personal attack you ignorance has truely shown, thus proving that only the ingorant can find such a game as complete and playable out of the box. -Thank you for proving my point And the signiture is rather appropiate, because as a programmer myself, i/my company actually supports our work if there are flaws with it - unlike activision - and that is how it is like having kids (yeah, thats right, a "sex MISTAKE" = kids). and what it iis saying is that you have to support your programs just as you would your children, i.e. you have to obligate yourself to your mistakes. i figured i had to spell it out since you are too stupid to figure it out on your own. Now- if you have any VALID reasons as to why the game was actually playabe out of the box i would love to hear it, because it certainly was not a balanced, nor critical bug free game.

If you Dont Like Activision..Move on with your Life...
If you Do..then be more supportive..and as for your Friend..Dave..He Thinks more Highly of Himself too..I would be Hard pressed to see a Perfect product produced anywhere..100 % That is..

God Bless

(Stepping Back..admiring my work)

(Big Dave and his Girlfriend Nemo read Posted Notice)

Here Ye' Here Ye' Here Ye'..Let it be Known that two Unscrupulous Scoundrels...Smelling of Wine and Debauchery..are here by Charged by Your Government Leader...DrDanger..with Sedition and Derision against Activision..all women and children beware..Men..take up your Arms..(PENS)..and bear witness)

(My piercing glare cuts to the two hoodlums...tossing a Gauntlet at their feet)

As Big Dave and Nemo bend over to pick it up..quizzacily..staring..scratchin..them thar heads?)

(I Pull out my Gloves..slapping once with a fore stroke and once with a backstroke..reddening the cheeks of the dastardly duo )

YOU TWO HAVE BEEN WARNED...Leave Activision and you shall live in peace..in an Exiled country..STAY..you shall suffer my Unquenchable Wrath!)

Heh Heh Heh Hehe

Ok Fellas..Just having a little fun......
(Let me look into the Nostrodamus future..I see two upset fellas...~sigh~..Oh Well!)

Have a blessed Day

God Bless

{adds drunken bubba to killfile}

quote: Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-04-2000 06:19 AM [Sound of Hammering] (Stepping Back..admiring my work) (Big Dave and his Girlfriend Nemo read Posted Notice) Here Ye' Here Ye' Here Ye'..Let it be Known that two Unscrupulous Scoundrels...Smelling of Wine and Debauchery..are here by Charged by Your Government Leader...DrDanger..with Sedition and Derision against Activision..all women and children beware..Men..take up your Arms..(PENS)..and bear witness) (My piercing glare cuts to the two hoodlums...tossing a Gauntlet at their feet) As Big Dave and Nemo bend over to pick it up..quizzacily..staring..scratchin..them thar heads?) (I Pull out my Gloves..slapping once with a fore stroke and once with a backstroke..reddening the cheeks of the dastardly duo ) YOU TWO HAVE BEEN WARNED...Leave Activision and you shall live in peace..in an Exiled country..STAY..you shall suffer my Unquenchable Wrath!) Heh Heh Heh Hehe Ok Fellas..Just having a little fun...... (Let me look into the Nostrodamus future..I see two upset fellas...~sigh~..Oh Well!) Have a blessed Day God Bless Brother Bruce Cronkite [This message has been edited by DrDanger (edited November 04, 2000).]

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quote: Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-03-2000 10:40 PM ..and as for programming my dear wanna-B-perfectionist...DONT TRY TO SELL ME or anyone else that you or your company produce a so-called 100% OUT-OF-THE-BOX Perfect Product..

Do you bother to read these posts or do you just hit the Reply button and start typing inflamitory drivel? He didn't say that his company released bug-free software, he said they support it after the fact. And the lack of support from Activision is what most of the complaints are about.

So since I can see that you have a 7th grade reading level I'll simply ask if you got your lobotomy at a 2 for 1 sale. Or will you show me that you are capable of reason? Otherwise you will be simply ignored.

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(as in the thread I created on CTP being too US-centric, which was good when people were coming up with ideas for new wonders, then people took it as an attack on their country and started turning nasty, which I'm sorry to say I responded to).

Anyway, my point is, criticise the games if yoiu must, but when you start critising other people, you just start to get rather pathetic.

Anyways, back to CTP2. I think Activision should have programmers on standby to make a patch straight away when people start reporting serious bugs, instead of one being released later on.

DrDanger is nothing but a danger to himself. Waht a JOKE! And the same goes for that guy that seems to side with him (brother, I think).

Yes, CTP I and II are only games. We, the consumers have taken the time to purchase and play CTPI and give our feedback to Activision and it's group of programers, yet they solve only part of the problems and eliminate options that their customers want, even when they were available in the first game. Why do we get so upset? Because we enjoyed the original product or saw its potential. We waited extremly long for the sequel only to find the sequel, though it may fix some problems, creates others by eliminating functions or options important to us. And to have these things eliminated just to meet a 'bean counters' dead line.

VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY DISCOURAGING!

Internet is slow and unreliable (opponets drop off and you don't know who you are competing with), single player passes time. but AI's are too predictable. They either are too easy or too dificult (because they are encoded with cheats). People verse people is the only option.

In defense of Activision. They are not the only software company to produce sub par (at least to the consumers feelings or desires) sequel software with bug. Mr Gates and Microsoft do it all the time! Microsoft, though, seldom removes options that they had that consumers liked.

I would suggest that Activision continue to improve CTPI with some new patches, rather than abandon the game entirely. Yes, the game had some flaws that might not be completely fixable, but they could be improved. I'm sure many feel that CTPII will also be abandoned within a year or so after it's release. Another $40-50 down the toilet. It was amazing how much CTPI improved with the 1.2 Patch (addition of Hot Seat). Why stop there. Other games, like the SIMS sell add on software (ie Sims "Livin' Large") to upgrade their game, you could do the same. The PBEM and Hot Seat modes should be addressed seperately. From what I've read on other bulleton messages, PBEM has some dificyult to fix bugs. I haven't read of the specific bus with Hot Seat, nor did I ever run across any in the hundred plus games we played on my computer. I'm not trying to glaze out the PBEM deal, as it is important to many. But, maybe if the two were seperated, each could eventually get fixed instead of being bagged together as 'trash' and discarded. The greater than 8 civs I read about would probably created an increase memory requirement. Maybe some code in the program could check the host computer for amont of free memory. If it has enough, 'x' number of civs above 8 could be added. If not, the 8 civ limitation would be in effect. There are thousands of computer hardware and cpu combinations out there. I'm sure there are several differnt combinations being used by those commenting on this site. It would be impossible to make a game of r any software that could accomodate 100% of all machines, but things could be done to ensure that most are accomodated. If the canals are not water ways then I am clueless of what they are, but they are obviously important to a lot of customers. As water ways, I can clearly see their importance in a strategic simulation game as without them, inland cities have no access to shipping (as in CTPI). Where I live we have cities supported by shipping via canals (or deep water rivers)

quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 11-04-2000 07:41 PM [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike the Nuke on 11-04-2000 07:09 PM I'm sure many feel that CTPII will also be abandoned within a year or so after it's release. Another $40-50 down the toilet

I played it for 2 hours the first time I played it. 4 Hours later that week. 6 hours later on in the year trying to see if I could stand it long enough to win... I c o u l d n ' t. Working that many hours (12) on minimum wage would just be barely enough to buy the game.

On another note, Counter-Strike, a mod for half-life which I did not have to pay for and therfore didn't have a right to care about bugs in, was less buggy and more fun than ctp was. I have spent over 300 hours playing it and no end is in sight.

Now, why can't I get that kind of satisfaction out of a Game I pay for? I should get at least that much with interest. I should have the right to expect a bug free game. I should be able to expect prompt respones from the company. I have the right to expect patches for the money I have paid. None of these things were forthcoming in CTP. I have seen all 3 in Counter-Strike, something I paid exactly $0 for.

I read these threads and LET ME TELL YOU WHAT!...some Jerk-off's attack continously.... Activision and Mark...WELL>>I'm, a WEE Bit Defensive and Of No Real "danger "to anyone..Man..you Thinned Skinned Children absolutely Cannot have any Fun..GEEZ Louise!
I am soo sorry you fellas are so uptight and Militant over Activision...
Me I am Happy..
So..I'll be Good..But firm in My Beliefs about CTP!
So such as this Thread goes...If it is Closed..its as much your fellas Fault as mine..For I am Merely Defending My Right As A Consumer..I love this Game..you Dont..
I guess its left to see who Pisses Harder?

quote: Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-04-2000 02:45 PM Do you bother to read these posts or do you just hit the Reply button and start typing inflamitory drivel? He didn't say that his company released bug-free software, he said they support it after the fact. And the lack of support from Activision is what most of the complaints are about. So since I can see that you have a 7th grade reading level I'll simply ask if you got your lobotomy at a 2 for 1 sale. Or will you show me that you are capable of reason? Otherwise you will be simply ignored.

Big Dave...I was referring to you..you have stated to me in the past that you would be fired if you performed the type of work activision puts out..And yes..I have a 7th grade education ...and beyond..and am a VERY SUCCESSFUL Area Manager..in Charge of over $6 Million per year...over 40 employees work for me..and I understand what type of Rage fuels your type...I am merely Defending Staunchly Activision and the Great Game called CTP:1
as much as your attempting to Staunchly Bludgeon the Reputation..

So...Have a good evening!
God Bless

quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda on 11-04-2000 09:39 PM The question is how many people will buy a game that does not perform as advertised. The answer is obviously quite a few because they were impressed by what we (those who did not like CTP) were not. Opinions are like *******s. Everybody's got one. We're gonna be debating this till CTP2 comes out, probably longer.

I quite agree..
I'll accept that remark...because it is NOT Attacking Activision or Mark..from Apolyton..
Have a Blessed Evening my Friend

God Bless

Brother Bruce

quote: Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-04-2000 11:33 PM I quite agree.. I'll accept that remark...because it is NOT Attacking Activision or Mark..from Apolyton.. Have a Blessed Evening my Friend God Bless Brother Bruce

I don't attack Activision, and have never attacked Markos. I do however criticize Activision's actions. As for rage, why is it that several other people on this board find me to be level headed and objective, and you're the only one who thinks I'm angry?

The fact that you're in management explains alot (no flames intended). You have to toe the company line and sing the company song.

Oh, BTW, before to talk about rage, take some leadership courses. It is very destructive to make some off-handed insult then add j/k. No, you weren't just kidding, and everyone knows it, especially the intended victim. And if you don't know it then you're lying to yourself.

Again, the previous two paragraphs are not intended to be personal attacks, they are intended to give you a different point of view to consider.
Respectfully,

quote: Originally posted by DarthVeda on 11-04-2000 09:39 PM The question is how many people will buy a game that does not perform as advertised. The answer is obviously quite a few because they were impressed by what we (those who did not like CTP) were not. Opinions are like *******s. Everybody's got one. We're gonna be debating this till CTP2 comes out, probably longer.

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quote: Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-05-2000 01:55 AM I don't attack Activision, and have never attacked Markos. I do however criticize Activision's actions. As for rage, why is it that several other people on this board find me to be level headed and objective, and you're the only one who thinks I'm angry? The fact that you're in management explains alot (no flames intended). You have to toe the company line and sing the company song. Oh, BTW, before to talk about rage, take some leadership courses. It is very destructive to make some off-handed insult then add j/k. No, you weren't just kidding, and everyone knows it, especially the intended victim. And if you don't know it then you're lying to yourself. Again, the previous two paragraphs are not intended to be personal attacks, they are intended to give you a different point of view to consider. Respectfully, David

Your a lieing sack of ****..Dave..You attacked me..just then as You have before..and I have seen your cutting Mark down..as for Management..well..you manage your way son..I'll manage mine..
And you just dont get it..I PLAYED YOU!!!
L.O.L..NOT J/K!!
I played you like a punk..because you are so easy to get going

I've been thru several leadership courses..One referenced knowing your personnel..getting them Motivated..I motivated you...
Ahhh...I just knew I'd sing and you would dance!

As for who-ever-gives-a-Hoot--I dont care what anyone else thinks..I say you shouldnt cut Activision down...
Im a grown man..your are too..(I think you are at least??)

You just come off whining too much for me..so I play your Number..and up you dance for me!

1)Big Dave
Prince
Texas, USA
Apr 99 posted June 12, 2000 20:18

Someone who is smart enough to figure out how to work a computer without a mouse, AH. I guess you must have a Mac 'cause you can't figure out how to use a real computer? Of course if you had any real brains you'd be able to say more than one thing.

2Big Dave
Warlord
Texas, USA
Apr 99 posted May 15, 2000 14:17

Steve, if you've been following these forums for any length of time you would already know that I have a number of complaints about CTP, not the least of which is that they didn't finish the game. Not just polish it, but get it out of beta.
My gripes with AH and Veda are that they are no more than a couple of trolls screaming "CTP stinks!" every chance they get. No constructive criticism, no "I don't like this feature", just whine and complain and try to start flame wars.

Big Dave

3)Big Dave
Warlord
Texas, USA
Apr 99 posted May 30, 2000 18:17

Oh, did I stop paying attention to you, poor little troll? So like a good little puppy you try to come up and lick me in the face again? Pah! You cowards hiding behind the Internet are all the same. I'll bet you kiss up to people when you meet them in person, where they can see you for what you really are.
I make a general comment and you claim that it's aimed at you? Don't you feel self-important? I'm not hypocritical. Unlike you, I state what my complaints are, not just play the same line over and over again like a broken record. Also unlike you, my mind is open, not just my mouth.

So go somewhere and download a life, little one. Or come play some more until you recognize that you are way out of your league.
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4)Big Dave
Civer
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posted September 23, 1999 07:26
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My point, as you can easily see if you have half a brain (something I doubt based on the rest of your posts) is that I don't mind negative comments, but why does CTP suck? You decline to give any answer. Which means either that you don't know how to read, or that you are a pathetic little troll just begging for attention.
So I am going to take your advice. I won't bother reading or replying to your posts any more. You are no more than a dry breeze in the desert screeming "I'm a hurricane, better run!!!" You are less than nothing, and not worthy of any attention, except perhaps from your mother who should spank your 12 year old behind. Post something intelligent after you get out of puberty and we'll talk then.

Good bye

sO YOU SEE..YOU TOO HAVE ATTACKED...

I Love to do Modifications..But I'm by No means any sort of Expert..more of a Novice

Thanks

Troll

Read

Oh, and BTW, if you try taking what I say at face value we'll get along a lot better. No personal attacks were intended by those two paragraphs. I wanted you to step outside your regular thought patterns and take a second look at some things. No more, no less.
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Big Dave