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Topic: Are you going to buy CTP2? |  |
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Dida
Warlord
Jan 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 00:43
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Are you guys going to buy CTP2 right after it come out of what? I'm going to wait for feedbacks from the users and apolyton review. |
ChaingKaiShek
Settler
AZ, Capitalist States of Amercia
Oct 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 01:26
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I'll buy it right away. Well, that is if I have the cash available.. Still hurting a little after the purchase of my PS2  Chaing |
Dida
Warlord
Jan 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 01:21
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oh man, you got PS2 already? how much did it cost? like 299USD? Is it really cool? |
Dida
Warlord
Jan 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 01:22
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Huh? your log on name is Chang KaiSek, I gotta name myself Mao Tse Tung next time. |
Ralf
Warlord
Sweden
Mar 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 08:57
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My brain says what i should wait, but my heart says i should bye the game directly on the spot.
I *want* CTP-2 game to succeed, i really do. If CTP-2 flops, who would then dare to give the Civ-genre another try (except for Firaxis who already involved)? What the CTP-2 team need is some really good reviews, with lots of "significant improvement" type of comments. Maybe, if the sales are significantly better then CTP, they even contemplates a CTP-3 follow-up after some other game-projects in between (i hope these "game-projects in between" are NOT going to be something realtime). There are so many realtime strategy clones out there, and so few turnbased ones.  Oh well, i guess im going to buy myself a CTP-2 copy. Then i come back to this CTP-2 forum and give my specific viewpoints on this beast! |
sammyboy7
Warlord
of the Rings
Mar 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 11:01
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Im gonna wait and see if i get it for christmas.. then i'll check out the user reviews and think about shelling out the bucks |
red_jon
Chieftain
Eastbourne, East Sussex, England
Oct 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 12:51
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I'm going to pre-order it over the internet.I want this game soon as I can get it. ------------------
...And if the British Commonwealth and its people live for a thousand years, man will still say "this was their finest hour"- Winston Churchill. |
Bartemans
Chieftain
Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Oct 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 13:48
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I'm going to buy it ASAP! |
Bartemans
Chieftain
Deventer, Overijssel, Netherlands
Oct 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 13:49
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I'm going to buy it ASAP!Bye, Bartemans
http://home.hccnet.nl/stolte.1[/url] |
samurai
Chieftain
Kristiansand,Vest-Agder,Norway
Sep 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 15:11
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My heart tells me to buy it right away.
My brain tells me to buy it right away.
My fingers can`t wait to move the mouse when my eyes look into the holyness of the best game there will ever (I hope) be constructed.In other words. I agree with you Bartemans.
ASAP. |
aCa
Settler
Oslo, Norway
Mar 99
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posted October 29, 2000 15:13
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What kind of stupid question is this?OFCOURSE I'M GOING TO BUY IT ASAP!!!! Damd I hate my Civ addiction. Don't usally play cumputer games, only CIV. CTP2 is going to ruin my exams this year... Maybe I should start an organization called ACA. Anonymous Civilization Addicts. aCa@civ |
DarthVeda
King
of Flatulence!
b.02-15-99
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posted October 29, 2000 19:10
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I'll wait for the patches to come out to adress the hordes of bugs. Then I'll read the reviews and consult the psychic friends network. |
meriadoc
Chieftain
Dec 1999
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posted October 29, 2000 21:19
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Unlike DarthVeda, I don't mind being a playtester for Activision. It lowers the cost of the product and lets me get more input into its construction. Best of all, it lets me start playing sooner - and for that I'll put up with a few bugs. So, yes, I am going to buy CTP2 ASAP.------------------
The Electronic Hobbit |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 29, 2000 21:23
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Originally posted by meriadoc on 10-29-2000 09:19 PM
I don't mind being a playtester for Activision
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BLASHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!
*runs around like a maniac*  |
Paulypav
Settler
Rocky Point, NY, USA
Oct 2000
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posted October 29, 2000 22:20
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Hoping to get it for Christmas. That way:
1) I can spend the money on other things
2) It doesn't ruin my exams
3) Hopefully some patches will be out by time I get it.Thankfully, I have some patience. Not a lot, but some patience. If I don't get it for Christmas I'll run out and buy it ASAP.
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"In war, there is no substitute for victory."
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Dr Strangelove
Warlord
Forest,VA USA
b.02-15-99
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posted October 29, 2000 23:43
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Noooooooo Way!!!! I am NOT going to subject myself to another agonizing round of months of frustration trying to get a poorly programmed product to work nor will I put up with endless abuse from Activision's technical support people. You'd have to guarentee that Activision will cheerfully refund my money if, after the last patch is installed I STILL can't get the game to run (without crashing every 2 or 3 turns). You'd have to guarentee that Activision will cheerfully provide suppport for the WHOLE game, not just part of it. |
phoenixcager
Prince
Singapore
Sep 2000
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posted October 30, 2000 02:55
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Of course, I'm buying the game.Asking this question here in this forum is a bit pointless. Those who aren't going to buy the game won't even post/lurk here. This thread in the OT, however, would be a more accurate gauge. MarkG, was that SPAM  ? |
Tilemacho
Prince
Heraklion, Crete , Greece
Nov 1999
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posted October 30, 2000 15:12
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NO! Activisions history is bad enough to make me wait for reviews and patch(....es) before I give them any money.
And if the game does not support PBEM as I read in an other forum... then just forget me.... |
Nemo
Warlord
Apr 99
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posted October 30, 2000 15:18
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yeah, i'll buy it as soon as it hits the "add-on" (think "half-life: opposing forces") game price of ~$20 well, ok, at least not until the reviews (if and only if they are outstanding), all of my questions about the functionality of many game features that have been added have been answered, and the post christmas sales. (byw, what happened to M.A.D.? i have yet to see it on any game review site yet. is it not yet in teh beta, or is it that poorly implemented? it better be good enough to compensate for the loss of the throne/castle room)
also, there have been several issues on teh game review sites that SERIOUSLY need to be addressed before it goes gold/my purchase.------------------
"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
-Michael Sinz |
meriadoc
Chieftain
Dec 1999
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posted October 30, 2000 18:38
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I'm impatient, so I've already pre-ordered my copy of CTP2 from amazon.com. So I think that it's safe to say that, yes, I am buying the game as soon as it comes out.And, Mark, after all of the lectures that you've given about spam... ------------------
The Electronic Hobbit |
Paulypav
Settler
Rocky Point, NY, USA
Oct 2000
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posted October 30, 2000 22:31
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Nemo, check out the thread on the new Gamespot preview. Pyaray posted a number of responses to the bugs noted by the game reviews in testing the beta version. It seems that the bugs addressed by the game reviewers have been resolved.------------------
"In war, there is no substitute for victory."
- Douglas MacArthur |
Monkey
King
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Apr 99
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posted October 31, 2000 01:07
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I will only buy it after seeing some hard reviews done by the gaming sites, apolyton and the newsgroups... although I admit the hype is slowing getting to me  |
lev
Chieftain
Beaverton, OR, USA
May 99
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posted October 31, 2000 11:07
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I couldn't resist; I've gone and pre-ordered it from Amazon. They say "available Nov. 1," but they're obviously wrong on that count... |
jbs
Chieftain
Jun 99
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posted October 31, 2000 12:56
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I remember when CTP1 was coming out. I waited sooooo long for Civ3 that I just couldn't wait for CTP1. I believed all the hype and all the reviews which said it was a great game. I waited for the game to come out and bought it within the first week. Then the frustration set in followed by the disappointment. Then I was made at Activision for releasing such a low quality game. Than at myself for being stupid enough to believe the hype and immediately buy the game. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.Now the hype starts again with all the great features and I can't help but wanting to buy the game right away and in fact I was actually starting to believe and trust Activision that they would indeed release a quality game. Then No more than 8 Civs Why- How hard is that to implement and how often was that request. Hotseat is in the current game but not in CTP2 nor PBEM why: I like multiplayer but did you ever try to play a Civ game live over the internet, so for a Civ game multiplayer is Hotseat or PBEM. Now why are these features not in the game. They are very easy to implement and some were in the CTP1. They stress the game, and games under stress experience bugs. What this indicates to me is that during testing bugs were found with these features, so instead of fixing the bugs which we don't have time to do and make the Christmas release, we will just remove the feature. What does that say about the quality of the game. I am very tired about buying games with great potential and then being disappointed because the simply things don't work. I will not let myself be treated like a sucker again, so I will not buy the game upon release. It is obviously not ready so why should I buy it and be frustrated and then mad at myself for again being a sucker. For those who will buy the game. Good luck! It is your decision and your money and I hope you are not frustrated and it is a good game. I just don't believe it will be and past on experience no not to trust or believe the pre release hype nor the previews, at least for Activision games. The developers may be of high quality but they probably still have the same people running marketing that released CTP way to early and with way too many bugs. I believe that history is repeating. Again Good luck to those who buy the game upon release.
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MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted October 31, 2000 13:03
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Originally posted by jbs on 10-31-2000 12:56 PM
I believe that history is repeating.
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and you are repeating yourself...
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Again Good luck to those who buy the game upon release.
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thanks |
Big Dave
Prince
Texas, USA
Apr 99
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posted October 31, 2000 14:21
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Originally posted by meriadoc on 10-29-2000 09:19 PM
Unlike DarthVeda, I don't mind being a playtester for Activision. It lowers the cost of the product and lets me get more input into its construction. Best of all, it lets me start playing sooner - and for that I'll put up with a few bugs. So, yes, I am going to buy CTP2 ASAP.
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If you don't mind me asking, how much do you pay your current employer? ------------------
Big Dave My karma ran over my dogma. |
jbs
Chieftain
Jun 99
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posted October 31, 2000 16:29
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Yes, I guess I am repeating myself. I just got mad and wanted to vent my frustration. I remember the anticipation of CTP and then the let down. I was really looking forward to this game and then no more than 8 Civs, no PBEM, no hotseat, no canals What are we getting - diplomacy and then no space either. I am just mad about getting excited about a game that is just going to let me down again. And I am mad at Activision for publishing another low quality game. |
meriadoc
Chieftain
Dec 1999
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posted October 31, 2000 19:48
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Haven't you figured out why I don't mind being a playtester of sorts?1) I save money (I am after all a cheapskate.) 2) I get to feel like a real important programmer when I point out all of their mistakes to them. 3) Deep down, I have some respect for software developers. When was the last time that you saw WesW complaining? ------------------
The Electronic Hobbit |
Tical_2000
Settler
Oct 2000
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posted October 31, 2000 19:54
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The bottom line is people:When you settle for less, you'll always be dissapointed. Trust me, all those 'little' features we asked for and were not implemented will hurt, and hurt bad, after you shell out hard cash for the game. And there's not a damned thing that Pyaray or Mark G. can say that'll make things better. All we can do now is hope that the Civ3 team will take a look at CTP2 and implement those tiny features that we need. The hype is dying and the bad news is coming out so close to the release date. Whatever you do, don't forget the dissapointment you felt when CTP1 was released. |
Dr Strangelove
Warlord
Forest,VA USA
b.02-15-99
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posted October 31, 2000 23:36
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We are the ghosts of past customers screewwwwwed. Take heed of these warnings Activision. |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 01, 2000 01:56
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Originally posted by Tical_2000 on 10-31-2000 07:54 PM
When you settle for less, you'll always be dissapointed.
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and you when always seek perfection, you'll always be dissapointed.... |
Maccabee2
Settler
Jacksonville, FL, USA
Sep 2000
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posted November 02, 2000 18:35
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Dear MarkG, guide on our journey to a better game, where we all tell our stories: (Sort of like The Canterbury Tales, aren't we).
You say those who seek perfection will be disappointed; this is true. However, you have misdiagnosed the patient. In fact, neither we nor our views are ill. We do not seek perfection; we seek $40 (or the equivalent) worth of improvement over CTP1. This is a reasonable expectation. Each must decide for himself what his $40 are worth. However, if people have invested time and creativity in answering Activision's requests for input, disappointment is a healthy response to their requests going unfulfilled. It's not the software engineers against whom we complain. It's the beancounters and marketing conjurers against whom our ire seethes. The setters of deadlines are about as well-loved as an opponent's slavers.
I seem to remember someone stating that only a few hundred people expressed the desire for MPG, hotseat, etc. Any marketing college freshman knows that one voice expressed represents thousands of voices unexpressed. Go do the math.
Oh, one last plug for MPG. It allows our children to play the game with us, developing future customers for TBS games. In four years, my daughter wil be working full time, with money to spend. Tell that to your marketing gurus who don't think MPG is worth the time. They know the future of TBS is shaky at best.
Just food for thought. |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 02, 2000 19:50
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from your post, i'm keeping this
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Originally posted by Maccabee2 on 11-02-2000 06:35 PM
Each must decide for himself what his $40 are worth.
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jbs
Chieftain
Jun 99
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posted November 03, 2000 12:15
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The only reason I am complaining is because I am a Civ addict. Yes 3+ months after the release with the second patch and after numerous user modifications, CTP has become a good game. I do not want to go through the pain and work (nor should any customer) of redesigning a flawed game to make it playable. For me the bar was raised for CTP2 and I have much higher expectations. So far the indications are that CTP2 will be like CTP1 upon release. How many people can truthfully say that the released version of CTP1 was a good game. I wanted a good CTP2 and am very disappointed and mad that the indications are another substandard game. |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 03, 2000 12:32
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Originally posted by jbs on 11-03-2000 12:15 PM
I do not want to go through the pain and work (nor should any customer) of redesigning a flawed game to make it playable.
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i'm sorry, but i havent seen you doing any kind of modification on ctp, i dont see you doing it for ctp2 either.
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How many people can truthfully say that the released version of CTP1 was a good game
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the people who vote "Yes, if it is in the same state CTP1 was on its release" in the "CTP2: Delay if buggy?" poll.... |
Nemo
Warlord
Apr 99
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posted November 03, 2000 13:00
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i'm sorry, but i havent seen you doing any kind of modification on ctp, i dont see you
doing it for ctp2 either.
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i dont see how that is relevant - and its is not very fare. i haven't posted any of my modifiactions to the site, and i have spent >= 20 hrs understanding/modifing those damned files to make the game playable/balanced------------------
"Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
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Narck
ACS Forum Helper
Houston, TX, USA
Apr 99
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posted November 03, 2000 16:44
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Silly question. Of course I'll buy the game as soon as it comes out I just hope it will keep my attention for a longer period of time than CtP 1 managed to.
Ideally, it'll keep me busy until civ3 comes out I also hope they fixed that annoying mouse problem. |
jbs
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Jun 99
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posted November 03, 2000 19:07
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Ok Mark, by the end of this month you will receive the mod I have been working on since JUL 1999 for over a year. I am still in the process of completing all the GL links which has been taking me the better part of four months, plus my own QA. I had hoped to have it done months ago, but it is only a hobby for me. I will release it at the end of the month in whatever state it is in and let the community if they choose to play it point out any bugs that I didn't catch or fix. Then I will study if for three months and release a patch. It includes over 90+ new technologies, new improvements, new units including all the graphics and text files. A lot of which I stole from other mods if it fit or I thought it was a good idea. The documentation includes proper credit. Also FYI, through the end of 1999 I posted the results of much of my analysis, some of which was incorporated into other mods. I received zero credit, probably because I usually don't post more than one message on the subject, and other people took my information and expanded it into more depth. I have never complained because it was never important, but I guess I have to have a track record of posts to be considered seriously. This explosion of posts from me is because I care. I truly want a good CTP2. I am trying to put pressure on the marketing folks at Activision to not release the game early like they did with CTP1 because that will do the Civ community more harm than good. You don't agree, but the personal attacks are uncalled for. I thought you were better than that! |
Sprayber
Settler
Jonesboro, Ar, USA
Oct 2000
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posted November 04, 2000 00:51
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Even though it would probably be smarter to wait, and
Even though I could probably spend the $40 wiser, and
Even though my girlfriend will hate me for spending so
much time playing a "stupid history game"I'll buy it as soon as I can. I might wait a week to see some comments on it, or until my girlfriend goes out of town. |
ContradictioN
Prince
Nov 1999
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posted November 04, 2000 01:11
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you're thinking the right thing jbs, because of CTP1, I feel that CTP2 will only be worth pirating. Activision placed that on themselves.It's not right to sell things that aren't worth the money it's asking for. If I find that CtP2 really is good, then I'll consider buying it. |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 04, 2000 04:10
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Originally posted by jbs on 11-03-2000 07:07 PM
Ok Mark, by the end of this month you will receive the mod I have been working on since JUL 1999 for over a year.
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i'll be waiting it for it...
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Also FYI, through the end of 1999 I posted the results of much of my analysis, some of which was incorporated into other mods. I received zero credit, probably because I usually don't post more than one message on the subject, and other people took my information and expanded it into more depth. I have never complained because it was never important, but I guess I have to have a track record of posts to be considered seriously.
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i'm sorry, but i cant seem to find what you are referring to...
i did find a report on a pollution related bug... quote:
You don't agree, but the personal attacks are uncalled for. I thought you were better than that!
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fact 1: you have barely posted in the ctp1 forums
fact 2: you have never released a mod
fact 3: you practically implied that you went through the "pain and work of redesigning a flawed game" in the case of ctp1what do you expect me to say?
Nemo,
i'm sorry but 20 hours of modification is "customization to my own likings" in my book. i can accept it if someone from the people who worked in the creation of CD's mod, the Apolyton Pack or the Medieval Mod say "I redisgned a flawed game"(although i will disagree on the "flawed" part ) |
red_jon
Chieftain
Eastbourne, East Sussex, England
Oct 2000
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posted November 04, 2000 15:09
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Originally posted by MarkG on 11-04-2000 04:10 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jbs on 11-03-2000 07:07 PM
fact 1: you have barely posted in the ctp1 forums
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Gaaaaaaah! Looks like MarkG is monitoring us closely I wouldn't say that CTP1 is a flawed game, just some parts of it (that have since been modified with patches/mod packs). And forgive my supreme ignorance, but what does OT stand for/mean? ------------------
...And if the British Commonwealth and its people live for a thousand years, man will still say "this was their finest hour"- Winston Churchill. |
MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted November 04, 2000 17:55
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Originally posted by red_jon on 11-04-2000 03:09 PM
Gaaaaaaah! Looks like MarkG is monitoring us closely
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checking someone's profile to see that he has 48 posts isnt very hard...
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Narck
ACS Forum Helper
Houston, TX, USA
Apr 99
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posted November 05, 2000 00:51
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Originally posted by red_jon on 11-04-2000 03:09 PM
And forgive my supreme ignorance, but what does OT stand for/mean?
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If you click on the link it wil take you to a thread in the Off Topic forum |
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