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Topic: We have Einstein, we have Elvis, but who's the other guy? |  |
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Eli
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 12:04
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In the modern age we have Einstein to increase the science in the city, Elvis to increase the luxuries and other guy to increase the taxes.
Does the other guy like Einstein and Elvis some important economost or something similar, or not? 
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airdrik
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 12:44
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I totally agree. Generally he is just called the tax collector, but I definetally think he needs an actual name. How about Adam Smith (but his name is already in the game), or < scratch, scratch > What would be a good name that people would be able to remember? |
Xin Yu
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 12:48
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Uncle Sam. |
ZoboZeWarrior
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 12:52
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Yes economists aren't so popular for most people. You can note Ford, with was a good economist but a bad humanist, I think.We had (french) Colbert by example. Look at your history book and at the Economy Nobel Price. |
airdrik
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 13:02
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I think I like Uncle Sam. Hmm. sam, sams, uncle sam, uncle sams...It would be 1 uncle sam, or two+ sams. There now, what's the plurlal of elvis? |
Chris1111
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 13:31
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quote:
There now, what's the plurlal of elvis?
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Elvi
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rah
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 14:13
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I have the perfect one.Rockefeller Besides being famous for all his money, and being a famous philanthropist, (had to attone for all the people he had wacked building his empire) It can be shortened to "Rocks". "My city had an Elvis and a couple of Rocks."  "I didn't need the extra science or happiness so I used Rocks."
RAH
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Dissident
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 14:32
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I never use tax collectorsperhaps I'm not greedy enough?  for me it just einsteins and elvi |
Gastrifitis
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 15:09
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I call him Count Taxula. |
airdrik
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 15:12
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key factor: rememberability, how well can people remember the name? I don't think I would ever be able to remember that they are called Rockyfellows, or whatever. It is much easier to remember Uncle Sam, or just Sam. I can spell that, and I think most other people will be able to spell that as will, and also:
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"I didn't need the extra science or happiness so I used Rocks."
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just doesn't sound right, it sounds more like you built Rock(affeler)'s something or other rather than tax colletors. |
drake
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 15:51
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How about "scum of the earth", or easier to remember "dog feces"?  |
Ribannah
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 17:15
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William Setag------------------
If you have no feet, don't walk on fire |
Lefty Scaevola
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 17:30
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A famous tax collector in legend was the Sherrif of Nottingham, does anybody know his personal name? Guy de Guisborne was a different character wasn't he? |
rah
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 17:40
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I actually thought it would be easy to remember one of the richest families of all time, airdrikBut if someone from Idaho didn't recognize it,
1. My age is showing.
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2. The public school system has gotten worse than I thought. RAH
Nevermind, just move along, there's nothing to see here. |
airdrik
b.02-15-99
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posted April 12, 2001 18:56
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It isn't as much that he isn't all that hard to remember, it is just that his name is too big, and has too many syllables, and, and, and... and Uncle Sam is just easier to remember. |
Adam Smith
b.02-15-99
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posted April 13, 2001 00:41
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I have been rather annoyed by the similarity of the tax collector to my appearance ever since the game came out. Microprose never did get me to sign a release. I wonder what lawyer icons look like? |
The Mad Monk
b.02-15-99
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posted April 13, 2001 08:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Smith on 04-13-2001 12:41 AM
I have been rather annoyed by the similarity of the tax collector to my appearance ever since the game came out. Microprose never did get me to sign a release. I wonder what lawyer icons look like?
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Ya know, I was wondering if anyone was going to answer Eli's actual question... |
paiktis22
b.02-15-99
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posted April 13, 2001 12:50
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Money sucking vampire would work for me any time. Now if we can find a universal character to personify this... It really has the same meaning as tax collector tho, now that I think of it  |
Adam Smith
b.02-15-99
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posted April 13, 2001 16:44
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Mad Monk:You wanted an answer to the actual question? What do you think this is, on-topic??  I don't know if it is intentional, but if you want a famous economist, my best guess is that the tax collector is modeled on Alan Blinder, a professor at Princeton, and Federal Reserve Board chairman, and economic advisor to President Clinton. Do you think the picture fits? |
Eli
b.02-15-99
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posted April 13, 2001 17:25
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They are similar.
Do you have a pic of Adam Smith?
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Ilkuul
b.02-15-99
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posted April 13, 2001 18:58
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Tsk, tsk. Hasn't anyone studied Latin? The plural of Elvis is Elves (pronounced 'Elveeze')!
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Alinestra Covelia
b.02-15-99
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posted April 14, 2001 04:33
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He reminds me a bit of one of the characters from The Godfather. You know - the son of Vito Corleone who was not actually his son at all, but nonetheless still one of the most loyal to the family. The lawyer guy. |
Boney
b.02-15-99
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posted April 14, 2001 04:47
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As far as I am concerned the most famous tax collector has to be the Sherrif of Nottingham, namely Prince John, the attempted usurper of King Richard's Throne. |
Roman
b.02-15-99
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posted April 14, 2001 08:34
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It should be clear to everybody that the greatest economist of all time is Roman Lajciak. |
Rufus T. Firefly
b.02-15-99
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posted April 14, 2001 09:11
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Well, it spoils the job/name symmetry, but I actually refer to that guy as Scrooge, since he looks like every representation of Scrooge I've ever seen. Besides, if we call him Ebenezer instead of Scrooge, then they're the three E's! So that's my vote. And isn't nice to know that no tax collector has ever become famous enough to be universally recognizable? |
The Mad Monk
b.02-15-99
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posted April 14, 2001 12:18
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Do you have a pic of Adam Smith?
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I thought that Adam Smith was one of the folks in the painting displayed in the wonder movie--and I thought there was a resemblence. |
Boney
b.02-15-99
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posted April 14, 2001 17:04
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Be real guys, we are not looking for an econmist, or a business Guru. Surely the taxman is the fiend of every businessman, not friend. Adam Smith or even Bill setag would throw if they were compared with taxmen. Prince John is the most famous taxman, but scrooge (though not a taxman) would also be apt. |
Beefhawk
b.02-15-99
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posted April 15, 2001 00:43
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Just call 'em Greenspans!Al's the raddest economist of all time! |
Edward
b.02-15-99
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posted April 16, 2001 14:54
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Uncle Sam would be very rememberable to me. Unfortunately it might be confused with SAM missile batteries."I made a sam like you all suggested, but instead of getting more money, I lose 2 coins per turn." "I changed 3 of my workers to sams but the bombers still beat me. What am I doing wrong?"
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smilo
b.02-15-99
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posted April 16, 2001 17:27
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Calling the tax collector a fiend, or count taxula ... No, no .. don't forget you're on the other side of the line in civ, he's a friend and a big one if you ask me. I would call them simply ... taxi's. |
airdrik
b.02-15-99
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posted April 16, 2001 18:15
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Uh... no. Then when you talk about switching to taxi's, people would probably think you we're building either the superhighways, or capitolization (taxes). Edward, You do bring up an interesting point, though on these forums you could just try to remember to capitolize SAMs and don't capitolize uncle sams. |
Blaupanzer
b.02-15-99
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posted April 17, 2001 17:33
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Taxes precipitated the revolt of nobles that led to the Magna Carta (signed by Prince John, for whom the Sherrif of Nottingham worked). Taxes precipitated the American Revolution (Boston Tea Party, King George). Taxes were a strong aspect in the call for the legislature that eventually set off the French Revolution (Salt taxes, King Louis). Compared to these, I challenge anyone to think of a positive moment in history related to collecting taxes. If there is one, the collecter is a hero worty of a label. Othererwise, those little guys are taxers (singular: taxer). |
airdrik
b.02-15-99
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posted April 17, 2001 18:54
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Your problem is you are looking at him from the point of view of the person being taxed. In civ, though, you are the ruler, and the reciever of all the money that your wonderful tax collectors (uncle sams ) have collected from your loyal  subjects. |
Smokey tha nuke man
b.02-15-99
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posted April 17, 2001 20:33
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call him the fed. and make him more menacing. make hi clothes darker, and see if you can give him evil looming eyes. hey here's and idea; make him a little devil, only green. you like? |
debeest
b.02-15-99
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posted April 19, 2001 02:30
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Blaupanzer, those WERE positive moments in history! Tax collectors bring out the best in the citizenry....I like some of the ideas you folks have suggested, but I think we should call 'em Gateses. That seems to be where most of the money goes.... |
Blaupanzer
b.02-15-99
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posted April 19, 2001 17:06
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debeest is right. Gateses (plural); Gates (singular). Then we can argue whether that's a good thing (as if ...) or a bad thing! |
AustralianJeremy
b.02-15-99
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posted April 19, 2001 18:41
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I reckon Greenspans is about right. Rocks isn't bad either. I have no idea why it should be "Uncle Sam". What's U.S. got to do with tax, except that he personifies a government which collects tax? By that logic we could pick any national leader - but I don't think it would fit in a game like Civ where you are not always playing America. It would be weird having Uncle Sams in an Australian government, anyway. (Although, since Malcolm, maybe not as weird as it should be). Also, Uncle Sam wasn't a real person: Einstein and Elvis were, so it's not a good match. |
AlrightyThen
b.02-15-99
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posted April 20, 2001 11:31
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How about Mr. GreedyBloodSuckingPieceOfGarbage? |
Didymus
b.02-15-99
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posted April 20, 2001 13:38
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How about Levi? Matthew, as in 'Gospel of ~', was also known as Levi, and was a tax collector before he became an apostle. Also, it resembles 'levy' as in 'levy taxes.' Presumably, unless you modified the game so that Calvin Klein jeans were a trade good, no one would be confused by being told that you made Levis (Leviim).
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