posted April 07, 2001 21:53

I'm not talking about sending spaceships, but about conquering all your maties. When you have conquered half the planet and have another 50 cities to conquer from other low life AIs researching construction so they could build city walls against your mighty howitzers and when you know you're gonna have a tough time reaching every corner of the universe where they could have built a size 1 city.... do you play on?

The thing is I usually don't. Even if I'm in a space race. If I am and I'm losing, I don't bother. I quit the game. I don't even retire to record the score into the Hall of Fame. I simply don't care.

So what do you do? Do you play the games in which you're loosing and lagging till the end?

I often started games, but then became preoccupied with other things. I had earlier a good Diety game going with an expectionally good start but I got bored and stoppe. And later lost the feeling of the game so instead of finishing it I deleted it and started a new one.

Do you fnish all your games? Or does the game-police chase you in your dreams for being a bad boy and not finishing your game?

	posted April 08, 2001 15:01

Around 500AD I see if i'm going to win or not. If not, I leave.

	posted April 08, 2001 21:30

i play all my games against the ai ..... which is none now to the end. You would be surprised what lessons can be learned and what can go wrong. that all said i understand your feeling of boredom or lack of feel for a particular game. I think we have all been there. I used to only conquer the world..... not always the same strat but generally its too damm easy. Then i learned to read and write and that opened another strat to me. There are so many ways to win a civ and for beginners to lose however this game is a joke once you know what your doing.

My best advice to newbies is to play things out to learn what you did or did not do and then learn from it. Try to resist the urge to conquer everyone right away. To truly master civ and to be able to wreak havoc in multiplayer.......you must learn all the tricks of the trade and be able to read your situation from the beginning. Unlike the ai..... there is seldom much room for error against the truly elite civvers So practice , practice against that ai with as many different strats as possible because unlike humans whom tire or quit when losing ...... the ai is one poor chap whom loves punishment

	posted April 08, 2001 22:42

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	posted April 08, 2001 22:56

Ever do that?When it gets really one sided,hit cheat menu,set human player to the crappiest civ alive.See what can be done to "catch up"

	posted April 09, 2001 06:05

quote: Originally posted by Eli on 04-08-2001 03:01 PM Nah... Around 500AD I see if i'm going to win or not. If not, I leave.

Playing against the AI, you should never be sure you loose before 2000AD.
Please take a savegame around 500AD, one you were sure you were going to loose, and play (at least) 1000 more years:
1) I bet you win.
2) If you don't, I bet you learn a lot (and have fun: IMO there is more fun playing when you are not yet completely sure you win).

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	posted April 09, 2001 06:20

quote: Originally posted by La Fayette on 04-09-2001 06:05 AM Playing against the AI, you should never be sure you loose before 2000AD. Please take a savegame around 500AD, one you were sure you were going to loose, and play (at least) 1000 more years: 1) I bet you win. 2) If you don't, I bet you learn a lot (and have fun: IMO there is more fun playing when you are not yet completely sure you win).

I'm trying games on Deity now. And it's considered good for me(now) to be 5th in power. But most of the time i'm 7th.

I suck. But someday, i'll win.

	posted April 09, 2001 09:40

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	posted April 09, 2001 15:11

That said, however, my biggest gripe with Civ II is the tedious end-game. I hope that Civ III will have features to hasten the end. For example, an option to accept/decline an AI civ's unconditional surrender would be greatly appreciated.

	posted April 09, 2001 18:08

I play out all my games, but I'm a wimp!!! I save it often so that if something goes wrong, file->load game-> xx.sav try again, if that doesn't work, open rules.txt, tweek, tweek, tweek, open civ, try again, open rules.txt, untweek, untweek, untweek. That way I always win . Of course I know that is cheating (but the game doesn't say so) but I just can't take a hit in civ.

Anyway that is me. I need to work on that (and get an origonal copy of rules.txt with the actual xp dates on such wonders as GL and Leo's).

	posted April 09, 2001 21:49

ok ok, it was 1965.
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	posted April 09, 2001 23:03

quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV on 04-09-2001 09:49 PM I've been playing for spaceship wins the past few games. I never did before (spaceship thing that is).

Yeah... because you were probably too busy picking on the other tribes

	posted April 10, 2001 19:33

That's why I don't get why do spaceships give more points? Jee, big deal, so you built 22 cities and managed to rush buy a space ship. I'm sure the developers did it just because they're stinking pacifists and think that space walking is "more noble" than ruling earth.

	posted April 10, 2001 21:32

but this once was an important part of my civ games. I just played on a micromap last night. I just built a bunch of archers and knights and took over all but 3 cities (they had walls on a river- I got tired of my knights committing suicide- for some reason my dips couldn't bring down the walls- I don't know how you guys do it). so I just continued building up but that got tiresome. I was in the 1800's when I quit.

	posted April 11, 2001 07:24

quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov on 04-10-2001 07:33 PM That's why I don't get why do spaceships give more points? Jee, big deal, so you built 22 cities and managed to rush buy a space ship. I'm sure the developers did it just because they're stinking pacifists and think that space walking is "more noble" than ruling earth.

Well, speaking as a stinking pacifist , I disagree; given the awesome power of a fundy government, world conquest doesn't seem particularly difficult. Occasionally annoying, yes -- especially when you have to build Apollo to find that last 1-square island city -- but harder? Nah (at least not against the AI). Besides, there is a bonus for early conquest, isn't there? Whereas there's no bonus for landing on AC in 600 AD (not that I can do that, but you take my point).

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	posted April 11, 2001 10:09

quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly on 04-11-2001 07:24 AM ...world conquest doesn't seem particularly difficult. Occasionally annoying, yes -- especially when you have to build Apollo to find that last 1-square island city -- but harder?

To find the last cities of a Civ you are conquering don't build Apollo! Make peace, give 'em an encarta of tech, exchange maps and then drop in to see them ...

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	posted April 11, 2001 11:07

Now I've seen what a complete one looks like I suspect I'm going to feel a compulsion to complete the job every time from now on.