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Topic: What's an odeo? Or odeo year? |  |
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schweick
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posted March 19, 2001 19:42
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Smash
b.02-15-99
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posted March 19, 2001 20:12
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3850bc is an oedo year.So is 825bc.And 60 AD.And 1820AD For deity anyway. |
Xin Yu
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posted March 19, 2001 20:30
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Odeo found out that every 4 turns you get to change government (if you revolutioned too early you are wasting time on anarchy). So every 4 turns is an odeo year. 3850BC is turn 4, therefore the first odeo year. |
Smash
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posted March 19, 2001 20:32
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ah Xin you're no fun  here it is xxx0 |
Scouse Gits
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posted March 20, 2001 04:46
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as for your first question -- What's an Odeo? -- oedo is one of the posters in this forum and odeo is, IIRC, Latin for "I hate". and if you haven't gathered, Smash is something of a joker and Xin one of our legends - he doesn't say much, but when he does it is worth listening!------------------ Scouse Git[1] "Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij "The Great Library must be built!" "A short cut has to be challenging, were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven |
winston
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posted March 20, 2001 08:21
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Blasphemy! His name's oedo, not odeo. Otherwise, you're right on. |
La Fayette
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posted March 20, 2001 08:50
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 Originally posted by winston on 03-20-2001 08:21 AM Blasphemy! His name's oedo, not odeo. Otherwise, you're right on.
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BTW, does 'oedo' mean something (not necessarily in latin)? |
Ecthelion
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posted March 20, 2001 11:07
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*bathes in patriotic pride* (C)2000, 2001 Lighteningoedo is a German  |
Slow Thinker
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posted March 20, 2001 11:29
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quote:
 Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 03-20-2001 04:46 AM and if you haven't gathered, Smash is something of a joker and Xin one of our legends - he doesn't say much, but when he does it is worth listening
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and Scouse Gits are the legend too. Nobody knows how many they are. SlowThinker is an internet hacker who likes to be always a "Settler". Unfortunately, he is not perfect and the system often crashes after his actions. Sorry.
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La Fayette
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posted March 21, 2001 10:12
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...and Slow Thinker's years are centuries (at least ). (have many of you encountered homeless hackers hijacking Apolyton before?)------------------ aux bords mystérieux du monde occidental |
oedo
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posted March 24, 2001 12:35
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cool, while I´m away you created two threads about me  make sure to bump them often enough so they will soon have 100 replies  my handle has no particular meaning, I created it far before I joined the apolyton forums and used it in various chats. later I found out that there´s also a japanese comic called Cybercity Oedo 808. but actually I don´t know anything about it. |
East Street Trader
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posted March 26, 2001 11:08
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Japan, Oedo, your fame has, rightly, spread far.But while I happily spam to help get you up to the desired 100 posts I do have a moan. WHEN will I finally stop forgetting that I've delayed a change of gov.t waiting for an Oedo year, only realising I'm still in despotism or some outmoded non-representational gov.t half a dozen Oedo cycles later? I've tried holding the Oedo chart tightly in my non-mouse hand until the change has been made. I've tried solemnly intoning the number of turns to the desired Oedo year before the start of each turn. But all to no avail. STILL I forget. At the critical moment the bloody Mongols sneak attack, or a long awaited caravan arrives or my voices tell me that some misbegotten civ is about to build the Gardens. And I rush to click the needful clicks and to tap the needful keys thereby missing that tide in the affairs of men. When realisation belatedly strikes, oh revered one, the words BLOODY BLOODY OEDO may be heard in ringing tones well down my street (spreading your fame yet further, you will be pleased to hear). Now, short of investing in one of those books that promises to improve my memory instantly, does any kind soul have the panacea to cure this awful ill? |
Scouse Gits
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posted March 26, 2001 11:22
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Oh, EST -- I am sooooooo happy - I thought I was the only sod stupid enough to do that!!!!------------------ Scouse Git[1] "Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij "The Great Library must be built!" "A short cut has to be challenging, were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven |
Paul
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posted March 26, 2001 13:02
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It's good to know that I'm not the only person forgetting to switch government in an oedo year. |
winston
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posted March 26, 2001 15:56
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Just make a deliberate decision to play without the oedo years. Works for me.  This is such a nice discovery, but I have yet to implement it in my game style. And in SP, it's hardly a miss. Still, it's nice to know the cycle. |
Smash
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posted March 27, 2001 01:48
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Ain't that annoying.oh ya gotta revolt. @#$% it's 2200 bc. |
La Fayette
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posted March 27, 2001 11:02
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quote:
 Originally posted by East Street Trader on 03-26-2001 11:08 AM Japan, Oedo, your fame has, rightly, spread far.But while I happily spam to help get you up to the desired 100 posts I do have a moan. WHEN will I finally stop forgetting that I've delayed a change of gov.t waiting for an Oedo year, only realising I'm still in despotism or some outmoded non-representational gov.t half a dozen Oedo cycles later? Now, short of investing in one of those books that promises to improve my memory instantly, does any kind soul have the panacea to cure this awful ill?
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I suppose that those strong players who never forget anything have some kind of checklist available. Personally I have a piece of paper close to my computer only when I'm testing something (preferably the incomparable accomplishments of vet spies ). Otherwise I promiss myself to be careful at the end of EACH turn ... and I am no more than you are...and very ugly words might be heard in a quite non overlapping radius around my house. ------------------ aux bords mystérieux du monde occidental |
Ming
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posted March 27, 2001 14:13
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In SP mode, I really don't keep very good track of stuff, because it really isn't needed after playing 1,000's of games.But in MP, after a few beers, I have also found myself screaming for missing the year. It got to the point that I was trying to work it out that I would get the science advance on the exact year... knowing I wouldn't forget. There is nothing worse in an MP game than missing the odeo year for Monarchy... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
SlowThinker
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posted March 27, 2001 14:59
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I hope there will be a "reminding machine" in Civ3. I posted a suggestion how to improve the system to FirAxis, you can see it at ../../Forum28/HTML/000133.html?23#23
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schweick
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posted March 27, 2001 19:20
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and Scouse Gits are the legend too. Nobody knows how many they are. ______________________________________________________________I thought there were two of them, SG1 being female, and SG2 male. And thanks, SG's for the welcome in the solar power thread. I didn't know I was a "lady civver" but it's nice to be a "lady" something. |
SlowThinker
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posted March 28, 2001 12:07
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There is an age faq somewhere on Apolyton: there is SG(3). And I saw somewhere that it is a secret that one SG is a women (or I didn't understand well because of my weak english). Are you sure it is SG(1)? ------------------ All knowledge stored at Apolyton must be sorted! |
Scouse Gits
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posted March 28, 2001 12:20
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Has Ming been defrocked - thrown down from Olympus - struck from the regimental rolls ?Look four posts above - it is by a new Settler called Ming!!!! ------------------ Scouse Git[1] "Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij "The Great Library must be built!" "A short cut has to be challenging, were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven [This message has been edited by Scouse Gits (edited March 28, 2001).] |
Edward
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posted March 28, 2001 12:32
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quote:
 Originally posted by SlowThinker on 03-27-2001 02:59 PM I hope there will be a "reminding machine" in Civ3. I posted a suggestion how to improve the system to FirAxis, you can see it at ../../Forum28/HTML/000133.html?23#23
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Great discussion on that link for CIV improvements. IMHO patterns should be eliminated. (No oedo revolt years - anarchy periods should be randomly determined. No separating techs into 3 groups for availability - the techs you can choose to research next should be randomly determined. There should be no hut nor special patterns - they should be randomly distributed with an eye towards spreading them out somewhat evenly.) |
Scouse Gits
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posted March 28, 2001 12:34
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quote:
 Originally posted by schweick on 03-18-2001 22:15 PM Hi, I play MGE at King level. I noticed (my hubby also) that when we add a solar plant to a city, pollution appears where there was none before. I thought the point of Solar Plant was productivity WITHOUT pollution. Is it a bug in the program that it adds the shields and then calculates the pollution without making an exception for the "solar" aspect?
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Hi schweick - I deduce from the 'hubby' that you are female and as you clearly play civ a civver - hence 'lady civver'. My apologies if my deductions are incorrect.  As far as the 'mystery' of the SGs is concerned - there is none!I, SG[1], am a boring old fart of an academic (male); SG(2) is my good friend, we met over the bridge table, and is a (male) printer and finally, SG{3}, is my brat (15 year olds are brats by definition) daughter We have posted this before - but these things get lost in the sands of time - no I don't think it worthy of inclusion in the Great Library - which incidentally has become unstuck!!!
------------------ Scouse Git[1] "Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij "The Great Library must be built!" "A short cut has to be challenging, were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven |
Scouse Gits
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posted March 28, 2001 15:56
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SG[1] glad to say that Uncle Ming has fixed the GL.  (I was waiting for you to "sex" the SGs)  ------- SG(2) |
SlowThinker
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posted March 28, 2001 15:56
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quote:
 Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 03-28-2001 12:20 PM Has Ming been defrocked - thrown down from Olympus - struck from the regimental rolls ? Look four posts above - it is by a new Settler called Ming!!!
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quote:
 Originally posted by Slow Thinker on 03-20-2001 11:29 AM SlowThinker is an internet hacker who likes to be always a "Settler". Unfortunately, he is not perfect and the system often crashes after his actions. Sorry.
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Sorry, Ming, I missed the target...You know, I reached a chieftain status just now...and... Edited: 
[This message has been edited by SlowThinker (edited March 28, 2001).] |
Ming
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posted March 28, 2001 16:07
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My log on was wiped clean this morning while the site was having some problems... It also caused the problem with the GL...Everything is back to normal now... whatever the heck normal is around here |
SlowThinker
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posted March 28, 2001 16:16
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quote:
 Originally posted by Edward on 03-28-2001 12:32 PM IMHO patterns should be eliminated. (No oedo revolt years - anarchy periods should be randomly determined.
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I would set some fixed number of years for a revolt. quote:
 No separating techs into 3 groups for availability - the techs you can choose to research next should be randomly determined.
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You know, there are "chess style players" and "cards style players" : I would allow to set it through initial settings. quote:
 There should be no hut nor special patterns - they should be randomly distributed with an eye towards spreading them out somewhat evenly.)
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Rich areas would improve the game from strategical point of view... |
Scouse Gits
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posted March 28, 2001 16:17
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quote:
 Originally posted by Ming on 03-28-2001 04:07 PM Everything is back to normal now... whatever the heck normal is around here
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Well you do a great job - I for one would not care to take the flak you receive - without giving it back in Spades.  ---------- SG(2) |
solo
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posted April 05, 2001 10:58
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Got to love the way East Side Trader expresses the angst in forgetting to use those oedo years. In OCC #24, I discovered Democracy in 900 AD and sure enough, cruised right on by that first oedo opportunity in 940 and had to wait until 1020 to switch governments! Again, after a lot of practice trying to remember! I have adjusted my strategy to compensate for this by trying to plan the discovery of the next form of government to coincide with an oedo year, and this works better! Same turn revolts also save a turn of research.
The other thing I do is discipline myself to go through a mental checklist at the end of each and every turn: 1) Is this an oedo year? 2) Did I happy up that city that went into revolt this turn? 3) Will an important improvement I just rush-bought be sold off because I used up too much gold and left taxes at zero? 4) Will my favorite engineer be disbanded because his city workers were all left on ocean squares to boost the gold payoff when I delivered a caravan? 5) Did I leave the science rate at 0% 3 turns ago when I was checking how many beakers I needed for the next advance? 6) Will I ever unfortify that horseman who is supposed to be exploring Outer Mongolia? This checklist works very well for me, EST, and so far, the only times when I forget to use it are when any of the answers to the questions above happen to be “yes”! Finally, my final answer to the question posed for this topic:
Odeo years are the ones when all those diety players get together to watch the National Spelling Bee. |
Paul
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posted April 05, 2001 11:28
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quote:
 5) Did I leave the science rate at 0% 3 turns ago when I was checking how many beakers I needed for the next advance?
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I never do that, but in OCC games I sometimes forget to put the science rate back to the maximum when I have lowered it because I didn't need all those beakers for my next advance.  |
Deity Dude
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posted April 05, 2001 12:24
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oops - multiple post - i still get the quotes mixed up - sorry
[This message has been edited by Deity Dude (edited April 05, 2001).] |
Deity Dude
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posted April 05, 2001 12:31
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quote:
 Originally posted by Paul on 04-05-2001 11:28 AM I never do that, but in OCC games I sometimes forget to put the science rate back to the maximum when I have lowered it because I didn't need all those beakers for my next advance. 
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Paul, forgive me if I am missing something because I am not an OCC'er, but, excess beakers after an advance is discovered accumulate towards your next advance. Therefore, excluding other outside issues, why would you lower your beaker production then increase it back once an advance was discovered. IMHO if you left it alone you would a) save time not having to micromanage this element of the game, b) accumulate future advances quicker and c) never have to worry about forgetting to change it back [This message has been edited by Deity Dude (edited April 05, 2001).]
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East Street Trader
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posted April 05, 2001 13:08
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DD.You are kind of right. But also wrong. What happens is that each of your cities contributes its beakers in turn (youngest first) towards the next advance. Once the advance is reached the remaining cities contribute their beakers towards the next one (that's why you are right). But the city which contributes the beakers which get you to the advance contributes not just enough beakers to get to the advance with the balance starting off the the accumulation towards the next one but rather contributes all its beakers. So that's where you are wrong. As you see there are some beakers lost. The wrong bit counts in OCC because in a One City Challenge you only ever have one city and you strive to make it produce a four figure number of beakers every turn. If you only need, say 15, beakers to complete the next advance and fail to turn science down, all but 15 of that turn's large beaker production goes to waste. If, instead, you turn science down to 10% and turn taxes correspondingly up you hike your gold for that turn. Solo Thanks for the help. Some of the things in your list look strangely familiar! "Nottingham can't support settlers" (all its citizens having hung "gone fishing" signs on their doors) in particular! [This message has been edited by East Street Trader (edited April 05, 2001).]
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Deity Dude
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posted April 05, 2001 15:55
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Thanks East Side for the OCC perspective it makes perfect sense. I knew it had to be to good to be true - Me giving Paul advice LOL.
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Boney
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posted April 06, 2001 00:34
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Nice to see that I am not the only one. But being in despotism until 700ad without realising must be a record, and not one that I am proud of. |
La Fayette
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posted April 06, 2001 08:02
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quote:
 Originally posted by solo on 04-05-2001 10:58 AMThe other thing I do is discipline myself to go through a mental checklist at the end of each and every turn: 1) Is this an oedo year? 2) Did I happy up that city that went into revolt this turn? 3) Will an important improvement I just rush-bought be sold off because I used up too much gold and left taxes at zero? 4) Will my favorite engineer be disbanded because his city workers were all left on ocean squares to boost the gold payoff when I delivered a caravan? 5) Did I leave the science rate at 0% 3 turns ago when I was checking how many beakers I needed for the next advance? 6) Will I ever unfortify that horseman who is supposed to be exploring Outer Mongolia? This checklist works very well for me
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I nominate this for the 'improved' GL (if the SGs agree). |
Scouse Gits
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posted April 06, 2001 09:33
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I think we should all print it out and paste it on the top of our monitors! Just one small point - I tried a 'perfection' game today discovered Monarchy - wrote it large on a PostIt and stuck it on monitor -- and still missed the verdammte oedo year!------------------ Scouse Git[1] -- git1@scousers.net "Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij "The Great Library must be built!" "A short cut has to be challenging, were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven |
Marquis de Sodaq
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posted April 06, 2001 09:37
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Other items to mentally check off the list at the end of the turn:1. Did you remember to kill those barbarians tearing up your farms? 2. Did you remember to run down that barbarian leader? 3. Did you remember to demand tribute? 4. Did you remember to rush buy that acqueduct in the city about to turn to size 9? ------------------ "There is no fortress impregnable to an ass laden with gold." -Philip of Macedon |
Sirotnikov
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posted April 08, 2001 20:44
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 Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 03-28-2001 12:34 PM SG(2) is my good friend, we met over the bridge table, and is a (male) printer
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Your best friend is a printer? For how long have you been socializing with hardware? you know there's a specially designed computer hardware for "those" pruposes alrady SG(1)!  |