1. No matter how many nuclears you use and no matter the pollution they cause there is NO GLOBAL WARMING (unlike civ 1).

2. The AI clears the pollution you caused around their cities but very slowly.

3. The AI knows if you have SDI and will not use nukes if all your cities have one

4. The AI will not even use nukes to blow away units that are not protected inside the 3 square radious of your SDIs

5. A nuke does not destroy a size 1 city. ( I nuked babpedi around 5 times but I had to use a paratrooper)

Addition to 4: cities within 3 squares of a city with SDI are also protected by the SDI. The AI will continuously nuke it, though.

Are you sure about 1.?

In a recent thread people reported units in the field being nuked by the AI. Never seen it myself, though.

Another piece of info. When you nuke units in the ocean, there is no pollution.

Edited: Typo.

Come to think of it, that means there is a conflict between 3. and 4.! If 4. is correct (as reported by others), then 3. cannot be true...

Sorry for messing things up! Think I'm gonna stay out of this thread!

quote: <font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 01-19-2001 08:15 AM</font> Yes CR... Some people have reported having Naval units nuked by the AI. Like you, I have NEVER seen an AI nuke anything but a city.

I have read these threads as well. During the whole nuclear campaign I left a battleship near the enemy's coast (not within any of my sdi radious) and it survived unscorched! Note: it was stacked with an AEGIS for their cruise missiles.

Carolus, don't go away! What I mean with 3. is that if ALL of your cities have SDI the AI will not use nuclear at ANYTHING. Not even a warrior next to them!
This is what happened to that game. (my english are not very good)

But:

1. It was a long time ago - several years - so I may be misremembering.

2. Maybe the global warming only seemed connected with the fallout pollution when, in fact, there was already enough pollution from other sources to cause it.

Seems odd if fallout pollution doesn't count.

quote: Originally posted by East Street Trader on 01-19-2001 10:22 AM Seems odd if fallout pollution doesn't count.

Ah me poor english. What's fallout pollution? The pollution created by factories and crammed up cities?

It was really strange. Nuking everybody like a 21 century Nero and no global warming. I was prepared to go with them but nope.

The AI doesn't pollute as far as I know and there was no pollution from AI nukes 'caused they didn't launch any.

Maybe the percentages worked all these turns in my favor regarding global warming?
Could I have been so lucky?

quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer on 01-19-2001 09:08 AM Can anyone verify that nuclear pollution is treated differently in the Civ II global warming formula than ordinary pollution?

That is the question.

But if what you say truly happened, you should go back and gather some information. CivII likes to have things happen in patterns, like the "1 turn anarchy" pattern for rebelling that was discovered.

Essentially, nuclear warfare with the AI is like a pro football team playing the local junior high- a vast mismatch of talent and ability.

Personally, a nuclear arsenal should be harder than 160 shields to produce and an SDI, likewise, should be harder than 300. However, that's the way things are and things work well anyhow, cause the fun to Civ 2 is in the ancient combat. Modern combat is too much of a stalemate unless you know some trick to the enemy.

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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 on 01-19-2001 08:37 PM Ah me poor english. What's fallout pollution? The pollution created by factories and crammed up cities? Maybe the percentages worked all these turns in my favor regarding global warming? Could I have been so lucky?

Fallout pollution is the pollution created when a nuclear missile explodes.

In your game where you did not get global warming, had you built a lot of Solar Plants? These increase the planet's pollution tollerance, so that it takes more polluted squares to cause global warming.

quote: Originally posted by Theben on 01-20-2001 10:01 PM But if what you say truly happened, you should go back and gather some information.

Why should I lie? The info is accurate , I remember 'cause I posted it 30 minutes after the end of the game. I shared it with you because it
it is really strange to have a nuke fest with no GW.

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quote: Originally posted by Sergeant Sheets on 01-23-2001 06:02 PM Nuclear war is like rape- only fun for the one giving it, not taking it. I don't like nuke fests.

Oh, now that's nice.

STYOM

quote: <font size=1>Originally posted by Sergeant Sheets on 01-23-2001 06:02 PM</font> Nuclear war is like rape- only fun for the one giving it, not taking it. I don't like nuke fests.

Morality: always endeavour to be the one who gives it. But I guess this goes for conventional warfare as well. It's the Golden Rule: Do unto others before they do unto you.

The 12 solar plants will indeed have an effect on global warming, but I do not know to what extent. AFAIK, 1 solar plant= -1 polluted square.

Let me be clear on this though: nuclear pollution and industrial pollution are exactly the same as far as the AI is concerned. If something odd happened, the cause lies elsewhere.

What happened in the game is that the fighter took off but then just moved ahead until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

Which fits rather nicely with the way the guy imagined it might have gone in reality.

A group of bizarely dressed characters approach the strange looking thing; then someone says, "Wonder what happens if you press this thing here?"; followed by a loud WOOSH which leaves an even more puzzled looking barb, trying to work out how to steer with his kness while looking down at a world moving past a tad quicker than it does on horseback!.