That's how things are working out in "The AI head start challenge game"

Is this something else explained in the Strategy Guide I've never seen?

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City in disorder = Revolt Cost /2
No units inside city = Revolt Cost /2
City originally belonged to you = Revolt Cost /2
Unit inciting revolt is a Spy = Revolt Cost x 0.84
Unit, etc, is a Vet Spy = Revolt Cost x 0.67

And when all else fails, don't leave home without a credit card.

Oh, and I never call it anything other than a wireless. I worked on a TV series set in the 1940s and the terminology stuck. "Ice chest" instead of fridge, etc.

Oh, and I did forget "Around the Horne".

Yes, we probably will be told to can it. On the other hand, given that the average poster age around here is 3 1/2, we could argue this is educational material.

p.s. I don't think I've ever seen "Around the Horne" in print before - assuming that isn't a misplint what's the story on the extra 'e'?

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Confirmation comes from the manual itself for city-in-disorder and empty-city (but I think it just says they're "cheaper"). There's no documentation for city-formerly-yours, but I've seen it stated as if it were definitively true. I can vouch for spies bribing cheaper than diplomats and for veterans bribing cheaper than rookies, although I don't think it's mentioned in the manual, but I'm pretty sure it's not cheaper by any consistent amount or ratio such as .84 or .67; I've tracked it.

quote: Originally posted by debeest on 10-03-2000 08:23 PM Confirmation comes from the manual itself for city-in-disorder and empty-city (but I think it just says they're "cheaper"). There's no documentation for city-formerly-yours, but I've seen it stated as if it were definitively true. I can vouch for spies bribing cheaper than diplomats and for veterans bribing cheaper than rookies, although I don't think it's mentioned in the manual, but I'm pretty sure it's not cheaper by any consistent amount or ratio such as .84 or .67; I've tracked it.

The manual is famously inadequate. There would have to be a ratio involved in order for the software to make the calculation.

quote: In fact, as someone pointed out recently, the bribe cost sometimes varies depending on which square the spy approaches from, and there's nothing in Scrolls of Wisdom about that.

That surprised me too. The argument was that approaching from the side closer to the foreign Civ's capital rendered the city closer to the capital and therefore more expensive. But is that truly logical? The city is a certain number of squares from the capital. It doesn't and can't move. Surely the city's distance from the capital is the only factor involved.

One of the bribe cost factors, identified by others, is which square you visit from, and I've verified by the same sort of experimentation that it does vary. Sometimes. If the formulae in the Scrolls of Wisdom were fully correct, they'd have to acknowledge that. Since they don't, they weren't derived from any kind of cold hard scientific experimentation or from the source code. So, why would we believe them?

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quote: Originally posted by debeest on 10-03-2000 09:54 PM One of the bribe cost factors, identified by others, is which square you visit from, and I've verified by the same sort of experimentation that it does vary. [This message has been edited by debeest (edited October 04, 2000).]

I can't remember either as to who identified this but the crux of it is that you want to bribe from the square furthest away from the AI's capital. When it works, you feel like you just found a bargain in a garage sale.

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Frodo lives!