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Topic: The most annoying Barbarian habits |  |
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tonic
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
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posted September 14, 2000 18:47
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I suppose it depends on the actual game in hand, but in OCC with a minimum of defenders and your mobile units in another continent, you've got to be a masochist to take the nasty habits of the Barbs. You have only one Warrior defending your city which has all its squares roaded and irrigated thanks to the hard work of your Settler. Then up pop three Barb Archers (one of them stacked with the obligatory Leader) and before you know it the pattern has been stripped of the irrigation before they even think of attacking your invincible sole defender. So what other nasty habits are in the catalogue?
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finbar
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 14, 2000 19:04
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T'other day. Wiped me out before I'd even built a city. Sure, I'd done some wandering in search of a good starting spot. In fact, I'd wandered for a bloody long time, which you can afford to do against the AI. Anyway, along the buggers came and killed not only my two settlers, but also my none unit.------------------
finbar
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Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 14, 2000 20:12
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Hi there finnie! It is good to hear that other players sometimes lose both the game and their dignity to the Artificial Ignorance - few of us have ever admitted it on these fora.
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Ming
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 14, 2000 23:29
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The most annoying Barbarian habits... hmmmm...When they don't show up and I need the money from the kings  |
Smash
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 14, 2000 23:42
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...when they pop up the turn after founding a city in a beaut 4 special site that I spent 9 turns marching to. |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 08:16
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It just absolutely drives me crazy when they don't wash their hands before eating. ------------------
Frodo lives! Better dead than "Red"... or green... or blue... or yellow... or orange... or purple... or white.
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Longfistking
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 09:44
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When the horny little barb king suddenly disappears after you've wasted your guys on killing his horsemen or elephants-all that work and no pay off! |
Chainsaw
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 14:33
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...barb archers having a rather destructive party on your beloved gold/iron mountains...thereīs just no way to convince them to leave not having vet catties nearby |
Bohlen
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 15:03
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I've been trying to think of some nasty barb habits, but have had a hard time doing so. Although I used to hate barbs, I love them now. The more, the merrier!I guess one bad habit would be their ability to pop out of the sea and make a landing next to one of your few unwalled cities. If a city does not have walls, the barbs will find it. |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 15:55
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Originally posted by Longfistking on 09-15-2000 09:44 AM
When the horny little barb king suddenly disappears after you've wasted your guys on killing his horsemen or elephants-all that work and no pay off!
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Amen, brother! This one is annoying. That and traipsing over the countryside to catch him only to see him use three moves to get away! ------------------
Frodo lives! Better dead than "Red"... or green... or blue... or yellow... or orange... or purple... or white.
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finbar
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 21:17
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Don't forget their habit of popping up in boats with stupd grins on their faces in landlocked lakes a million miles from the coast.------------------
finbar
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finbar
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 15, 2000 21:19
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Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 09-14-2000 08:12 PM
Hi there finnie! It is good to hear that other players sometimes lose both the game and their dignity to the Artificial Ignorance - few of us have ever admitted it on these fora.
Good civin'
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I didn't so much learn humility, SG1, as have it bludgeoned into me. ------------------
finbar
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Jim W
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 16, 2000 00:11
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quote:
Originally posted by finbar on 09-15-2000 09:17 PM
Don't forget their habit of popping up in boats with stupd grins on their faces in landlocked lakes a million miles from the coast.
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Beat me top it, fin. I was going to mention this oner. Serves me right for not visiting the site more often. Jim W |
Builder
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 16, 2000 05:25
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Originally posted by tonic on 09-14-2000 06:47 PM
You have only one Warrior defending your city which has all its squares roaded and irrigated thanks to the hard work of your Settler. Then up pop three Barb Archers (one of them stacked with the obligatory Leader) and before you know it the pattern has been stripped of the irrigation before they even think of attacking your invincible sole defender.
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It always happens to me... 
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geofelt
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 16, 2000 20:45
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I hate it when I am exploring, and end my turn by discovering a barb legionairre. |
Chainsaw
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 17, 2000 09:21
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What I do love is finding a lonesome barb city somewhere in the wilderness...Easy to take/cheap to bribe and a perfect starting point for colonization. |
Chainsaw
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 17, 2000 09:23
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Itīs something like a late payback for all the worries you had with the guys  |
tonic
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 17, 2000 17:28
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Originally posted by Longfistking on 09-15-2000 09:44 AM
When the horny little barb king suddenly disappears after you've wasted your guys on killing his horsemen or elephants-all that work and no pay off!
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Yes, and yet when the Barb Leader is by himself after losing his attacking units in another continent, he seems to stay around for ages - you could almost hear his taunting "come and get me"! |
Ribannah
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 17, 2000 19:34
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The most annoying? When Barbs destroy all those little AI civs you had hoped would become your allies ....Just played OCC#5, with Canadians in the game which had me worried right from the start, and naturally they were easy prey for the reds  ------------------
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Longfistking
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 18, 2000 09:17
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<font size=1>Originally posted by finbar on 09-15-2000 09:17 PM</font>
Don't forget their habit of popping up in boats with stupd grins on their faces in landlocked lakes a million miles from the coast.
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I had this happen just yesterday--not only was it a boat in a lake, it was a frigate in a small pond! And nobody got off the frigate! And I couldn't kill the darn thing and it's still sitting there, as if to taunt me!
Other habits, which I've observed in the game I'm playing right now, is when you let them take over a size one city, then let it grow to size two or three so they can build some units, and when you go and bribe the city back (mind you, I've got ironclads and almost to calvary), all you get is . . . a legion! Urrrgggh! What's up with that! And they always seem to pop up near newly built cities or size one cities, and you get a few knights close to getting them, and they take your city with an elephant. I'm going to keep a galleon loaded with diplomats just for this occasion from now on. Another annoying thing--two barbarian kings hiding behind each other and when you go to get them they won't split up, so you have to take just the one for cash. And barb kings hiding behind their horsemen. And barb kings hanging around your big cities after they tried to take them, and you would have to take the only musketeer out of the city to kill him, while the rest of your army is out in the field fighting the AI. And barbs appearing nine times out of ten near your Non settler, and eventually taking a whack at your worker, slowing your road building down. And here's a kicker--this happened yesterday in the game, as well--you blast a barb trireme that's popping in and out of the shadows, only to find it has **seven** units on it. Was that a typo, or what? It must have been either my imagination or something else was stacked underneath.
The barbs in this game sure do make it interesting.
And oh, let's not forget the nasty, nasty habits of those barb partisans. Whew!
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Fergus Horkan
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 18, 2000 10:03
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Bomb the frigate to blazes. Or better still, find the thread where it explains how to move battleships inshore (I'm not kidding!) and give the little red devils a nice surprise.
Deal with the stacking kings by building fortresses in the region where the barbs usually appear, and they will tend to fortify in them, and you can pick them off one by one.
I've never understood how they suddenly make the technology leap from legions to cavalry and artillery. They are quiet for aeons, and then whoa, scary partisans who could actually do some damage.Edited to hide incompetence with "Edit with quote" function.
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Hodad
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 19, 2000 09:00
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This has happened: I get my boats over half the world to get 150 gold and the turn before either the chieftain dissappears or another civ takes it out!!! |
Ming
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 19, 2000 09:20
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So true...
It doesn't really bother me when somebody gets to the king before I do... tough luck...But when they disappear just as you have them cornered and are ready to take them on THAT TURN!!!!!!
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! |
DaveV
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 19, 2000 09:33
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Originally posted by Fergus Horkan on 09-18-2000 10:03 AM
I've never understood how they suddenly make the technology leap from legions to cavalry and artillery. They are quiet for aeons, and then whoa, scary partisans who could actually do some damage.
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Read "The barbarian paper" by William Keenan, and you'll know everything about the barbarians.
http://sleague.apolyton.net/Guides/sldt_barbtechs.shtml |
Mercantile
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 19, 2000 17:27
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i like to use my boats to pick off barb leaders on the ai's continent, easy way to gain vet status with Sun Tzu's as well. The ai is notoriously slow for picking off barbs, preferring IMO to let them attack first. Might explain why when the ai capital is taken by barbs, the whole empire eventually comes crashing down. I saw this happen the other night in a game, Thebes was captured by the barbs and the Egyptians still had 7 more cities and over the course of the next 1000 yrs, each city was conquered? I was laughing.The barb in the pond thing sucks as does stacked barb kings. The thing i hate the most though is when my vet troops who have routinely crushed barbs all game thus earning their vet status run into the super barbarians. I am supposed to believe that your weak archers can take out my fortified phalanx on a river in my city? All game i rout these red freaks , then all the sudden they punch a hole through my empire and no matter what i build its never good enough |
Scouse Gits
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 05:57
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Yes, the Super Barbarian has been discussed in the past on these boards.
Is it real or Urban Legend??
Do we have any documented evidence?
What causes its appearance?
Any answers??
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DaveV
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 07:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 09-20-2000 05:57 AM
Yes, the Super Barbarian has been discussed in the past on these boards.
Is it real or Urban Legend??
Do we have any documented evidence?
What causes its appearance?
Any answers??
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My vote: urban legend. I think some of the "super" barbarians people report are actually veterans, due to combat wins. Watch out for vet barbs at Deity level: they attack at an effective strength of 225% (150% deity attack bonus times 150% veteran bonus). So a vet barb archer attacks at 6.75, easily enough to wipe out a non-vet phalanx fortified on a river (defense 4.5). |
rah
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 08:36
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My vote is Urban legend also. Probability will eventually make a unit appear to be one.
Once a single barb chariot, took out two phalanx, two settlers and a crusader in a matter of a few turns. Except for one settler, they were all on decent defensive terrain. I kept moving settler/phalanx combos thru the mountain, going no problem, no problem, which quickly changed to big problem, big problem. But it happens so infrequently, it can easily be attributed to long odds finally hitting.RAH |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 10:05
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<font size=1>Originally posted by Mercantile on 09-19-2000 05:27 PM</font>
The barb in the pond thing sucks as does stacked barb kings.
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Last night I stumbled across a barbarian city with a population of 3. I attacked with a horseman and killed a barbarian king. +150 gold and a now a population of 2. I attacked again and... voila!!! Another barbarian king. Another 150 gold! Sweet!  ------------------
Frodo lives! Better dead than "Red"... or green... or blue... or yellow... or orange... or purple... or white.
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finbar
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 19:19
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Time for an amusing - well, faintly amusing - observation amongst these tirades of invective. Twice over the Civ-playing years I've had barbs take a city from me and, for various reasons, the city has grown to about size 4 before I've had the means to get it back. Finally, when I move to strike against a barb unit - not in the city - I get a dialogue box on the screen: quote:
"Do you want to declare war against the Barbarians?"
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Well, I murmur to myself rhetorically, "Do bears evacuate their bowels in heavily timbered areas?".
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Mercantile
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 20, 2000 20:50
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LOL @ Finbar. I had the same experience as well. Plus when barbs take over a former rival, the first time you meet them it states the same question, at least in my version of the game.Kcbob, i have experienced this as well. For me it happened when i chased the two barb kings into the city they had taken from me, was this the case with you as well? |
kcbob
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 21, 2000 09:07
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Originally posted by Mercantile on 09-20-2000 08:50 PM
LOL @ Finbar. I had the same experience as well. Plus when barbs take over a former rival, the first time you meet them it states the same question, at least in my version of the game.Kcbob, i have experienced this as well. For me it happened when i chased the two barb kings into the city they had taken from me, was this the case with you as well?
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Actually, it was the scenario that Finbar referred to. It was an enemy city taken by the barbarians. I uncovered it while traipsing through the woods. Then, I also had the rhetorical posed to me... "Barbarians? War?" Duh!!! I haven't noticed barbarian kings entering cities all that much. But then, I've only seen about 10 to 15 barbarian cities in all my times playing. ------------------
Frodo lives! Better dead than "Red"... or green... or blue... or yellow... or orange... or purple... or white.
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The Mad Viking
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 22, 2000 13:28
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Barb cities- mmm cheap to bribe. Recently bought New York, size 8, two military units and a leader=diplomat for like pocket change.finbar, did you say that barbs took 7 Egyption cities in one game? |
finbar
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Macedonia, Greece
b.02-15-99
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posted September 22, 2000 20:31
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Me? Say that? I don't think so. I've seen a message saying the barbs have wiped out a civ - the Babs, from memory - and discovered the civ, still in existence, but with all red cities. There were 4 cities, from memory. Some of them size 6 and 7. Talk about an early Christmas present! I'm not sure how often the barbs wipe out a civ and it completely vanishes, and how often it lives on in barb hands. The above is about the only time I've seen a whole civ live on in barb hands.
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