You have only one opponent in this game, with AI restarts set to off. So don't kill off your opponent, or the game will end.

I did not realize I was on a small Island untill I got writing. (I could not get around the Romans) I would do it much diffrently had I known this.

Sorry no log.

The Roman sneak attacks caused some more trouble and delayed my spaceship building a bit. They also killed my engineers, so pollution led to global warming. I never had that in an OCC game before.

Worse was the fact that they also killed most of my caravans which were parked on the shore as protection against barb landings. It was a good thing that I built citywalls because I would have been dead without them.

AC: 1871

Monarchy: -2450
Republic: -725
Democracy: 1020

Colossus: -1850
Coeprnicus: 20
Shakespeare: 300
Newton: 740
Darwin: 1580
Apollo: 1798

Trade routes: -850, -775, -725

Size 12: -275
Size 21: 580

Trade: -1100
Constrcution: -525
Sanitation: 380
Refrigeration: 1260
Automobile: 1580
Computer: 1758
Space Flight: 1796

While building the SS parts I had to waste a few turns on defence with the menacing Romans so close. My extra pair of Engineers did help prevent any global warming problems. There was a lot of Roman Diplo sabotage activity including the stealing of Plastics and the destruction of my Marketplace, Library and Research Lab. Interestingly enough the last-named didn’t seem to affect the rate but it was not important at the end of the SS rush.

Wish one could form an alliance with the Romans though – all I ever got from them was one lousy tribute of 100 gold! This is one game where Barbs were welcome - a regular source of gold, though devalued by 33%. In any case, when they landed on the Roman side, the Barb Leaders mostly got clobbered by the Roman units although my trireme did manage some lucrative ramming.

2.42 Deity

AC: 1886

Monarchy: -1050
Republic: -25
Democracy: 1100

Colossus: -1850
Copernicus: 280
Shakespeare: 620
Newton: 1200
Darwin: 1670
Apollo: 1838

Trade routes: -300, -300, -275

Size 12: 80
Size 21: 940

Trade: -675
Construction: -525
Sanitation: 640
Refrigeration: 1570
Automobile: 1758
Computers: 1802
Space Flight: 1836

4000 BC Athens founded
3950 BC research Bronze Working Romans: peace no alliance no tribute
3750 BC Bronze Working 3500 Romans: exchange Bronze Working for Alphabet
3450 BC research Ceremonial Burial
2750 BC BarbLeader=100
2050 BC Code of Laws
2000 BC Barbs land near Nicosia and another near Athens
1900 BC BarbLeader=100 BarbLeader=100
1850 BC Colossus
1750 BC Romans: exchange Ceremonial Burial for Writing
1200 BC Monarchy revolution
1150 BC Library
1100 BC BarbLeader=100
1050 BC Govt: Monarchy
1000 BC Diplo commissioned
900 BC Temple Pop=5
800 BC Currency
675 BC Romans: war, Steal Trade
650 BC Marketplace
575 BC Masonry
500 BC Hides caravan built
425 BC BarbLeader=100
400 BC Silver-caravan built
300 BC Hides-Nicosia (not demanded)=32 Silver-Nicosia (not demanded)=32
275 BC Romans sue for peace, tribute 100 Coal-Nicosia (not demanded)=36
250 BC Literacy, Diplo commissioned
200 BC Romans: Construction
125 BC Bribe Barb Trireme
100 BC Republic revolution Pop=8
50 BC BarbLeader=100 Romans: Literacy
25 BC Govt Republic BarbLeader=100 Start WLTCD

AD1 Hides-caravan built, Romans: Monarchy
20 Hides-Nicosia (not demanded)=52
60 Romans: Mysticism
80 Pop=12 End WLTCD
160 Mathematics Romans: Republic
260 Astronomy Romans: Astronomy
280 Copernicus
320 Philosophy get Medicine
380 Horseback Riding Romans: Philosophy
400 Romans: Horseback Riding
420 BarbLeader=100
460 Wheel Romans: Wheel
540 Engineering
580 Romans: Engineering
620 Shakespeare's Theatre
640 Sanitation Romans: Sanitation
660 BarbLeader=100 The Roman Settlers are terraforming forests to plains including the overlapping silk to wheat!
680 Sewer System Sell Colosseum
700 Sell Temple
740 University Romans: Engineering Start WLTCD
760 Dye-Nicosia (not demanded)=76
780 built University
840 Banking
920 Theory of Gravity
940 Bank Pop=21 stop WLTCD
980 Invention Romans: University
1040 Democracy revolution Romans:exchange Invention for Ironworking
1100 Govt Democracy start WLTPC Romans: Democracy
1180 Economics
1200 Isaac Newtons College Romans: exchange Economics for Seafaring
1240 Stock Exchange Gunpowder Max size=26 stop WLTPD Romans: Economics
1280 Chemistry
1300 BarbLeader=100
1320 Explosives Romans: Explosives
1340 Romans: exchange Gunpowder for Seafaring
1360 Metallurgy
1400 Navigation
1420 Romans: Navigation
1460 Physics
1510 Magnetism, Leo's Workshop: upgrades to 2xMusketeers, 1 Engineer & 1 Galleon,
Romans: Physics
1540 Electricity
1550 Romans: Metallurgy exchange Magnetism for Warrior Code
1560 Engineer built, BarbLeader=100 (None-Musketeer vetted!)
1570 Refrigeration
1580 Supermarket
1590 Romans: Electricity & Theory of Gravity
1600 Bridge Building
1630 Steam Engine Romans: Bridge Building
1660 Railroad
1670 Darwin's Voyage get Industrialization Corporation, Romans: Railroad Industrialization
1690 Steel
1700 Engineer built
1720 Refining Romans: Corporation
1730 Romans: Steel
1750 Combustion Start WLTPD Romans: Refining & Combustion
1758 Automobile BarbLeader=100
1760 WLTP ended temporarily due to musketeer away after BarbLeader capture
1762 Electronics Restart WLTPD
1768 Mass Production Stop WLTPD Romans: Electronics
1770 Factory Sell Sewer System
1772 Feudalism Sell Aqueduct
1774 Power Plant
1776 Chivalry Cloth -Nicosia (not demanded)=150 Romans: Automobile Feudalism & Chivalry
1780 Leadership Wine-Nicosia (not demanded)=156 Romans: Leadership
1784 Conscription Romans: Conscription
1788 Tactics Romans: Tactics
1792 Machine Tools
1794 Oil-Nicosia (not demanded)=150
1798 Miniaturization Oil-Nicosia (demanded)=616
1800 Bribe BarbFrigate BarbLeader=100 Romans: Miniaturization
1802 Computers Hides-Nicosia (not demanded)=130
1804 Research Lab Hides-Nicosia (not demanded)=130
1806 Mobile Warfare Oil-Nicosia (demanded)=602 Romans: Computers
1810 Robotics
1812 Manufacturing Plant
1814 Flight Dye-Nicosia (demanded)=194 (also improves attitude cordial->enthusiastic)
1818 Radio
1820 Romans: Radio
1824 Advanced Flight
1826 Oil-Nicosia (demanded)=330 (attitude Cordial->Enthusiastic !)
1830 Rocketry resSpace Flight Copper-Nicosia (demanded)=189
1836 Space Flight Hides-Nicosia (not demanded)=92 Romans: Space Flight
1838 Apollo Program - just as I gathered an island world! Hides-Nicosia
1840 Romans declare war
1842 Plastics Romans kill one engineer and musketeer
1846 City Wall built
1848 Atomic Theory SAM built
1851 Armor built
1852 Nuclear Fission
1855 Nuclear Power
1859 Laser
1861 Romans peace
1862 Roman Diplo steals Plastics, I declare war!
1863 Roman Armor kills my 2 Engineers before being destroyed attacking my walled Athens. My 2 reserve Engineers called on.
1867 Fusion Power
Roman Diplo sabotages my Marketplace
1869 Roman Diplo sabotages my Library
1871 Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1 SS, Stealth
Roman Diplo sabotages my Research Lab
1872 Stealth Fighter built - destroyed attacking Nicosia
1873 -1880 Cruise Missile built each turn and fired at Nicosia - kept Romans on defensive!
1880 Espionage, Romans sue for peace
1881 Spy commissioned
1882 Howitzer built
1884 Mass Transit
1886 Landed AC

2.42 Diety
AC 1967
Monarchy -1600
Republic -525
Democracy 1830

Colossus: don't remember - probably about 2000-1800 BC
Copernicus: 1650
Shakespeare: 360
Newton: 1740
Darwin: 1810
Apollo: 1928

Trade routes: -650, -600, -500

Size 12: 420
Size 21: 1640

Trade: -700
Construction: 80
Sanitation: 1420
Refrigeration: 1810
Automobile: 1893
Computers: 1900
Space Flight: 1927

4000 Home founded

My way to dealing with impending famine was to shrink the city by building engineers, so at all times I had at least 3 engineers out there (including my upgraded NON settlers which i was lucky enough to hang on to) I was constantly scouting with diplomats and caravans along the coastline to preserve my settlers. A little trick I used was to always click on my settlers at the end of the turn so that they had the option of moving somewhere else, or finishing the job they had started each turn. Now if i can just remember which techs to research

quote: Originally posted by Tom DeMille on 08-11-2000 03:14 PM I unusally do a bit of pre planning about how many squares I'm going to forest at the end for production. I take theat into account when deciding how much to grow the city after refrigeration.

This is also a central concern of mine now, when in one of the earlier OCC games I lost all my engineers by growing my city too large. I now have my special OCC spreadsheet to do the calculations.

By end-game I was very careful to avoid cleaning up pollution if that meant the Romans could contact me.

I also built Leonardo's Workshop, just to upgrade my archer and one NONE-settler. It seemed worthwhile in this game.

AC 1882

Monarchy: -2050
Republic: -525
Democracy: 860

Colossus: -1900
Copernicus: -150
Shakespeare: 360
Isaac Newton: 840
Leonardo: 1510
Darwin: 1630
Apollo: 1830

trade routes: -925, -800, -775

size 12: 80
size 21: 640

Trade: -975
Construction: -100
Sanitation: 440
Refrigeration: 1520
Automobile: 1690
Computers: 1792
Space Flight: 1828

4000 BC Founded Athens
3950 BC Peace with Romans
3750 BC Bronze Working
Warrior
3500 BC Warrior
3300 BC Ceremonial Burial
2900 BC Trade C.B. for Alphabet
2700 BC Code of Laws
2500 BC Barbarian Leader: 100 gold
2150 BC Monarchy, revolution
2050 BC Govt: Monarchy
1900 BC Colossus
1650 BC Writing.
Roman tribute: Map Making
1400 BC Library
1250 BC Currency
Barbarian Leader: 100 gold
1050 BC Temple
975 BC Trade
925 BC Hides Caravan
1st trade: Hides to Nicosia (not demanded), 36 gold
825 BC Mysticism
Silver Caravan
800 BC 2nd trade: Silver to Nicosia (not demanded), 32 gold
Barbarian Leader: 100 gold
775 BC Coal Caravan
3rd trade: Coal to Nicosia (not demanded), 36 gold
725 BC Literacy
Food Caravan
625 BC Food Caravan
600 BC Barbarian Leader: 100 gold
575 BC Philosophy
The Republic, revolution
Food Caravan
525 BC Govt: Republic
Disband Warrior
500 BC Begin WLTCD (size 4)
Food Caravan
475 BC Disband Warrior
425 BC End WLTCD (size 7)
400 BC Food Caravan
375 BC Masonry
325 BC Food Caravan
Barbarian Leader: 100 gold
275 BC Mathematics
Hides Caravan

I only got 2 turns after 1846 when I traded for Atomic Theory.It changed drastically.Before that I could not manage 2 turns at 100%.After- 2 turns at 60%-strange.No major gifting just a straight up trade.

I did manage to keep my settler alive until very late.Had many close calls though.The Romans were extremely helpful in responding to barb attacks.

They were also very helpful with irrigation and roads/rails.

I gave up trying to maintain that river silk.They would have had units all over my city all game with a ceasefire so I decided to let them change it,irrigate and farm it while I changed the other wheat they couldn't reach.

Barb and Roman intrusions wreaked havoc on "we love" days.Stopped and started way too many times.

I bribed a leader early and set up an embassy.Was useful.I can't beleive how many times the Romans changed governments.AND they kept changing to despo!Terrible for my trade routes.

They also built an explorer

Arrival-1887AD

Collosus-1750BC
Cope’s-260AD
Shake’s-660AD
Ike’s-unknown-oops
Darwin’s-1680AD
Apollo-1840AD

Trade-975BC
Construction-300BC
Sanitation-700AD
Refrigeration-1560AD
Automobile-1754
Computers-1802AD
Space Flight-1840 AD

Monarchy-2050BC
Republic-525BC
Democracy-940AD

Trade routes
1.800BC
2.725BC
3.700BC

12-75BC
21-900AD

4000-Athens
3950-contact Romans-peace-whoa they are close
3800-Bronze Working-warrior-start wonder-Demographics have me 2nd in Literacy.That means Rome has Alphabet so I choose Burial-I won’t get delayed in a scenario
3350-Burial-trade for Alphabet-they have Laws -also Pottery---my settler is gonna be extremely vulnerable to seabound barbs here-its gonna be tough to keep the ai from irrigating those silk too.At first this looked routine.I should know better than that with a TomD scenario.
2750-Laws
2400-barbs land and would have killed my settler if it were not for the Roman warrior I’ve allowed to be roaming my outskirts.It attacked the barb archer and won.
2350-leader 100
2050-Monarchy-instant rvolution-gift to Romans
1800-leader 100
1750-Collosus
1450-Writing
1400-temple-trade Writing for Currency
1200-we love the king
975-Trade-trade it for Pottery
900-library
850-leader 100
825-silver caravan
800-Mysticism-silver to Nicosia 42
775-settler survives barb attack and becomes a vet-barb leader 100
750-hides caravan
725-hides to Nicosia 40
700-coal caravan-deliver to Nicosia 40-ai has chopped a forrest,roaded and irrigated 1 square.gift Literacy
600-Philosophy-Republic-revolt-trade Republic for Map Making-gift Philosophy
575-market
525-govt-Republic
500-”we love” 5-ai changes river silk to wheat
450-end “we love” 7-diplomat-leader 100
400-Masonry-hides caravan -the road is blocked-the diplomat is proving useful for getting thru ZoC
375-hides to Nicosia-62-
325-hides caravan
300-Construction-hides to Nicosia 62
250-colliseum-leader 100-warrior loses to 2nd leader so i bribe it-establish an embassy
200-Mathematics
175-”we love” 8
150-aquaduct
75-end “we love” 12-sell colliseum-trade Math for Seafaring...hmmm...catapults..might be bad
50-wine caravan 80-the Romans have built an EXPLORER-LOL-river wheat back to silk
25-Astronomy
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AD1-dye caravan 84
40-cloth caravan
60-Romans change to Despot-LOL
80-hides
120-caravan
140-Medicine
160-caravan
200-caravan-Romans go Monarchy
240-leader 100
260-Cope’s
300-University-cloth caravan 72-Romans declare war
340-catapult-
360-steal Banking
380-city walls-peace-trade University for Horseback Riding
400-gift Astronomy-
420-The Wheel-diplomat-gift Wheel-share maps
460-hides
500-hides-bribe barb trireme 82
540-wine
580-Engineering-caravan
620-caravan
640-sell temple
660-Shake’s
680-trade Engineering for Economics-gift Medicine
700-Sanitation-ai changes that silk again-gift Sanitation
720-start “we love” 12
740-sewer system
840-Invention
860-bank
880-gift Invention-share maps
900-end “we love” 21
940-Democracy-instant Revolution-
960-”we love” 21-trade Democracy for Warrior Code-build university
980-lose “we love”(barbs)
1000-gold caravan
1020-Gravity
1040-caravan-”we love”
1080-caravan-trireme sunk-was useful maybe at blocking barb trirmes for awhile at least 1 turn so I could stop my settler if needed
1100-Chemistry
1120-end “we love” 24-caravan
1160-caravan
1180-Navigation-caravan
1260-Physics-trade Navigation for Iron Working-gift Physics,Chemistry and Gravity-share maps-stupid ai is in Despo again.Killing my trade routes
1320-Gunpowder
1340-stock exchange
1380-Explosives-dye caravan 81
1400-”we love” 24
1420-engineer-end “we love” 24
1440-Magnetism-gift Explosives and Magnetism
1460-engineer
1500-Metallurgy-dye caravan
1510-dye to Nicosia(demanded)144
1520-caravan
1530-Electricity
1550-caravan
1560-Refrigeration-gift Gunpowder,Refrig and Electricity
1570-supermarket
1590-Steam Engine-caravan
1600-”we love”-gift Steam-”we love” 23
1610--caravan
1620-trade Metallurgy for Bridge Building
1630-caravan
1640-Railroad
1650-dye caravan 108-end “we love” 27
1670-Industrialization-dye 110
1680-Darwin’s>Steel>The Corporation-gift Railroad
1700-Refining-dye 162
1720-wine freight 81
1730-Combustion-”we love” 27
1740-freight
1752-freight-end “we love” 30-sell sewer
1754-Automobile-sell aquaduct
1756-superhighway
1760-Electronics-freight
1764-Mass Production-gems 134
1768-Feudalism-dye 140
1772-Chivalry-freight-gift Mass Production
1776-trade Refining for Conscription
1778-Leadership
1780-factory
1782-gift Electronics
1784-Tactics-hydro plant
1786-freight
1788-alpine troop
1790-Machine Tools-freight
1792-artillery
1794-artillery-disband catapult
1796-Miniaturization-oil
1798-dye
1800-leader 100-alpine troop-disband archer-bribe barb frigate 102
1802-Computers-dye 146
1804-research lab
1806-Mobile Warfare-freight-oil 148
1808-freight
1810-Robotics-freight-disband artillery
1812-howitzer
1814-Flight
1816-manufacturing plant
1818-barracks-disband artillery
1820-sneak attack got my engineers-armor-sabotage Roman hydro plant
1822-Radio-engineer
1824-engineer-
1826-diplomat-sabotage granary
1828-Advanced Flight-diplomat-sabotage stock exchange
1830-diplomat-sabotage cannon production
1832-alpine troop
1834-Rocketry-oil 91
1836-dye 94
1840-Space Flight
1842-Apollo
1844-Romans steal Space Flight
1846-Plastics-peace with Romans-trade Leadership for Atomic Theory my science takes a huge turn for the good.I now can get 2 turns at 60% where previously I could not get it at 100%
1848-insist withdrawal and war results(desired)
1850-Nuclear Fission-Romans sabotage bank
1851-bank
1852-Nuclear Power
1854-The Laser-I sure wish my research had gone like this all game-still at 60%
1855-Nicosia empty
1856-Superconductor
1858-Fusion Power
1865-Romans pay 3600 for peace treaty
1866-goaded Romans back to war
1872-15-3-3-1-1-1-LAUNCH
1873-diplomat-sabotage rifleman
1874-Stealth-diplomat sabotage rifleman
1875-diplomat-sabotage temple
1876-diplomat-sabotage sewer
1877-diplomat-market
1878-Communism-diplomat-library
1879-diploamt-rifleman
1880-diplomat-walls
1881-diplomat-engineers
1882-Espionage-diplomat-engineers-senate signs peace treaty so I revolt
1883-govt-Communism-spy-colliseum-every Nicosia square pillaged down to rails
1884-spy-captured
1885-spy captrued-no more specific targets
1886-spy-rifleman-returned
1887-ARRIVAL -AC
destroy Romans next turn

quote: Originally posted by Paul on 08-17-2000 04:51 AM But it hasn't been two weeks since the last one, so just be patient.

11 days close enough?

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

AC

Monarchy -2650
Republic -525
Democracy

Colossus -1300
Copernicus 340
Shakespeare
Newton
Darwin
Apollo

Trade#1 -650
Trade#2 -550
Trade#3 -450

Size 12 -150
Size 21

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Comments:
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4000 Athens founded
3950 Romans: peace
3800 Alphabet
3300 Code of Laws; swap for Ceremonial Burial
2900 Barracks sold
2700 Monarchy; Revolution; swap for Pottery
2650 MONARCHY
2600 Barbar landing - 2 Archers
2450 Mine pillaged, Barbarian Leader captured: 100g
2250 another bloody barbar landing - 2 Archers right next to my settler - city garrison just managed to despatch them - lost WLKD
2050 more bloody barbs what have you done!!!
1950 Bronze Working unfortunately after the Romans
1850 Gotcha - Barb leader: 100g
1350 Currency -> Writing from Romans
1300 COLLOSSUS
1200 Temple
1000 TRADE
0800 Barb leader: 100g
0775 Library
0675 Barb leader: 100g
0650 HIDES TO NICOSIA: 44g
0625 Mysticism
0575 Romans: Republic; Revolution
0550 SILVER: 36g
0525 REPUBLIC established
0500 Barb leader: 100g
0450 COAL: 66g
0425 Philosophy -> Masonry
0375 Silk: 198g
0350 CONSTRUCTION; Marketplace; Barb leader: 100g
0275 Colosseum; WLCD starts @ 7
0225 Aqueduct
0200 Mathematics; Romans turn mutual Silk into Corn!
0175 City Walls; Barb leader: 100g
0150 WLCD stops @ 12
0125 Diplo -> Embassy
0050 Astronomy -> Medicine; Dye: 132g; Barb leader: 100g
0025 Maths -> Banking
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0140 Barb Leader: 100g
0340 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
0400 The Wheel
0460 Wine: 126g
0480 Engineering; Barb: 100g
0660 Romans capture Athens - game over!

duh!
:bruised:

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Scouse Git[1]

quote: AC: 1871 Monarchy: -2450 Republic: -725 Democracy: 1020 Colossus: -1850 Coeprnicus: 20 Shakespeare: 300 Newton: 740 Darwin: 1580 Apollo: 1798 Trade routes: -850, -775, -725 Size 12: -275 Size 21: 580 Trade: -1100 Constrcution: -525 Sanitation: 380 Refrigeration: 1260 Automobile: 1580 Computer: 1758 Space Flight: 1796

For our full logs we keep some more details; just check them out to see what's in them.

AC: 1905
Score: 572 (74%)

-4000 Athens
-3950 Peace
-3850 War
-3750 Alphabet, Warriors
-3500 Warriors, Size 2
-3150 Ceremonial Burial
-3000 Size 3, Cease Fire
-2900 Temple
-2800 Warriors
-2600 Bronze Working
-2300 B Leader (100)
-2200 B Leader (100), Size 4
-2000 Code of Laws
-1850 War
-1800 R Warrior
-1550 Monarchy
-1450 MONARCHY, B Leader (100)
-1250 R Warrior
-1200 R Warrior
-1150 COLOSSUS, R Warrior
-1100 Peace, T(raded for) Writing
-1000 Library, Size 5
-975 Mysticism, War, R Warrior
-950 R Warrior
-925 B Leader (100)
-900 Diplomat, S Pottery
-875 Granary
-800 Size 6
-775 B Leader (100)
-750 Diplomat, Embassy
-725 Currency
-700 Marketplace
-675 Size 7
-625 Diplomat
-550 Diplomat, Size 8
-525 Trade
-450 Coal
-400 Coal to R (42)
-375 Masonry, R Archer
-350 Silver
-325 Silver to Nicosia (44)
-300 R Archer
-250 Wine, Construction
-200 Aquaduct, Wine to Nicosia (44)
-175 Size 9
-150 R Archer
-125 B(ribed) B(arbarian) diplomat
-100 Mathematics, Fortress on East Silk
-50 Size 10
20 B Leader (100)
40 B Leader (100)
60 Astronomy, B Leader (100)
80 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY
100 Size 11
120 Literacy
200 Philosophy, The Republic
220 REPUBLIC
240 B Leader (100)
280 Medicine, Size 12
300 R Horseman
340 Horseback Riding
380 R Chariot
420 The Wheel
460 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE
500 Engineering
520 B Leader (100), R Chariot
560 City Walls
580 Sanitation
600 Sewer System, WLtCD, R Chariot
620 Size 13
640 Size 14
660 University, Size 15
680 University, Size 16
700 Size 17, R Chariot
720 Theory of Gravity, Size 18
740 Size 19
760 Size 20, R Legion, Construction to R, Cease Fire
780 Size 21
800 Invention, WLtCD cancelled
860 Banking
920 Warrior Code
980 Iron Working
1020 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE
1040 Bridge Building, B B Legion (NONE)
1060 Bank, T Feudalism, Peace, B Leader
1080 Size 22
1100 Economics, WLtCD, Sneak by R, G Diplomat (our only loss!!)
1120 Stock Exchange, Size 23, R Chariot
1140 WLtCD cancelled
1220 Gunpowder
1260 King Richard's Crusade
1280 Chemistry
1340 Explosives, R Settler
1400 Seafaring, R Elephant
1440 LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP, Peace, T Polytheism
1460 Engineers, Metallurgy
1480 B B Legion
1510 Navigation, R Sneak, R Elephant
1540 Physics
1570 Magnetism
1580 ADAM SMITH'S TRADING CO.
1600 Electricity
1620 R Knights
1630 HANGING GARDENS, Refrigeration
1640 WLtCD
1650 Supermarket
1660 Diplomat, Democracy, Size 23, DEMOCRACY, B B Crusaders
1670 Size 24, B Leader (100)
1680 Size 25, Peace, T Chivalry
1690 Conscription, B Leader (100), B Leader
1700 Size 26
1710 WLtPD cancelled
1720 Steam Engine, R Sneak, R Knights
1730 Cloth, 2 R Settlers
1750 Food, Railroad
1752 Engineers, Size 25
1756 Leadership
1758 R Legion
1760 R Knights
1762 Tactics
1768 Industrialization, R Kegion, R Knights
1770 DARWIN'S VOYAGE, The Corporation, Electronics, WLtPD
1772 Size 26
1774 Factory, Size 27
1776 WLtPD cancelled, Peace
1780 Food
1782 Food, Sneak
1784 Food, Combustion, R Settler
1786 Food
1788 Food
1790 Food
1792 Food, R Legion
1794 Oil, WLtPD, R Legion
1796 Food, Size 28
1798 Food, Automobile, Size 29
1800 Superhighways, Size 30, Sold Granary
1802 Food, Size 31
1804 Food, Machine Tools, Size 32, R Knights
1806 Food, B Leader (100), R Crusaders
1808 Food, B Leader (100), Legion
1810 Food, Miniaturization, Oil to Rome (112), Cloth to Rome (112)
1812 10 Food to Wonder
1814 HOOVER DAM, sold Hydroplant, Peace, T Monotheism
1816 Mass Production
1818 Mass Transit, B Leader (100), R Sneak, R Crusaders
1822 Computers, Grassland into Hill
1824 SETI Program, B Leader (100)
1826 Oil, Atomic Theory
1828 Gems
1830 Food, Nuclear Fission
1832 Food, B Leader (100), B B Frigate (NONE), R Legion, R Crusaders
1834 Food, Nuclear Power, R Knights
1836 Food
1838 Food, The Laser
1840 Food
1842 Food, Mobile Warfare, R Knights, R Crusaders
1844 Food
1846 Food, Robotics, R Catapult, R Legion
1848 Food, Gems to Rome (108), Oil to Rome (108), Crusaders
1850 Food, Communism, R Knights
1851 Food, Peace
1852 Food, Grassland to Hills
1853 Food, Flight, R Sneak, R Crusaders
1854 Oil, R Catapult
1855 Cloth
1856 Food, Radio
1857 Manufacturing Plant
1858 Barracks
1859 Armor, Advanced Flight
1862 Rocketry
1864 R Crusaders
1865 Space Flight, R Knights
1866 Apollo Program
1867 SSS, Peace, R Steal Space Flight, War
1868 SSS, Plastics, R Crusaders
1869 SSS
1870 SSS
1871 SSS, Superconductor, Sold Aquaduct, R Crusaders
1872 SSS
1873 SSS, R Diplomat, R Crusaders
1874 SSS
1875 SSS, Fusion Power, R Diplomat, R Crusaders
1876 SSS
1877 SSS, R Diplomat, R Settlers, R Crusaders
1878 SSS
1879 SSS
1880 SSS
1881 SSM
1882 SSM
1883 SSC, Peace
1884 SSC
1885 SSC
1886 SSC, R Sneak, R Knights, R Crusaders
1887 SSC, R Diplomat, R Crusaders
1888 SSC
1889 SSM, Theology, R Crusaders
1890 SSS, LAUNCH, R Knights
1891 EIFFEL TOWER, R Diplomat
1893 Genetic Engineering
1896 MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION
1897 Recycling
1898 LIGHTHOUSE
1900 MARCO POLO'S EMBASSY
1901 Environmentalism
1902 GREAT LIBRARY, Peace
1904 CURE FOR CANCER, WLtPD
1905 ALPHA CENTAURI

* Score 572 (74%) *

do you think you could post a chart with the dates corresponding to selected turn numbers on your OCC page, maybe having a link to it from the comparison tables?

It seems like i remember seeing one somewhere in this forum but don't remember where, and that would certainly make things easier for the newer OCCer's to interpret it. Working through the OCC games I started printing out the comparison tables from my completed games, but I was constantly converting between the dates in my logs and the turn numbers in the table.

And as a side note to comparison tables, once you come close to what other good OCCers have done, it really is a big help to see where you went wrong. In #9 (my most recently finished game), I can see that the stretch from sanitation to refrigeration is where I lost it. I was actually first to size 21, and first to Shakes, but was one of the slowest to go from sanitation to refrigeration. Maybe I really should have built Darwins... Look out in #16, I may be a force to contend with

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

I've termed the comparison learning "incremental learning". I've found that playing through the extant comparison games up to a certain stage and comparing where I am, is extremely helpful. So my first objective stage was something like Republic Govt. and when I've learnt where my mistakes were, the next stage would be "Democracy" and so on.

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quote: Originally posted by Tom SCG, you should go for refrigeration before going for railroad. Your above statement suggests you detoured to railroad, which would explain why you were slower than others.

good catch, i checked some of my logs, and while i went for sanitation before railroad in some of the games, i didn't in that one. Kind of a surprise for me as I'm one of those who seems to focus on growth over science more than some of the others here. I'm still trying to decide whether I'd rather have wheat or silk - i'm starting to lean towards wheat at this point. Also I think I may be leaning to wine over gold (i know, they don't convert to each other), although that will take a bit more testing.

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince

Btw I tried another strategy for this scenario: going to Republic straight away, bypassing Monarchy. We reached AC in 1891.

I'm playing #15 a third time; now we give all our new tech to the Romans right away, instead of trying to trade (which is HARD in MGE!), in order to keep the lagging-behind bonus. They won't start wonders anyway.

Btw, has anyone seen Nicosia grow beyond size 8? In my games, they never build in aquaduct, while they do have plenty of extra food. They simply keep making military units (and explorers, yuck!) to throw them away at my defence.

- Rib -

quote: Originally posted by Ribannah on 08-21-2000 10:55 AM Btw, has anyone seen Nicosia grow beyond size 8? In my games, they never build in aquaduct, while they do have plenty of extra food. They simply keep making military units (and explorers, yuck!) to throw them away at my defence. - Rib -

Actually, i think the problem with all the explorers we saw was because the Romans are agressive exansionist. Perhaps this scenario should have taken place on a small Japanese island, since the Japanese are agressive perfectionist. That or edited the rules.txt to make the romans perfectionist. I might give #15 another go sometime now that I have about 10 OCC games under my belt instead of just 1 when i did it the first time.

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April Cantor: Sire, in order to expand further we must first gain favor of the King

SCG: darn, I've never really got the hang of that tribute thing, guess it will be a long time until i make prince