I have concentrated on defence but am now starting to counter attack. We are even in techs. Its about 1840.

Thanks for all the advice - especially Inca 911. I have 14 cities and 82 units. makeo has 34 cities and 134 units.

Btw, I don't agree with you on pillaging roads. We don't have engineers so roads are not quickly or easily repaired, particularly in contested areas. I don't fear attack and leave the roads open. I might want to use them myself down the track.

quote: Originally posted by finbar on 08-15-2000 07:56 AM Prussians. Russians with a speech impediment.

LOL! or is it a pre-Russian?

AH your Magellans is an asset providing you have some ocean. The extra movement adds punch to the attack factor of your ships.

Of course you should NEVER trade maps

My main cities are on an island so Magellans has come in quite handy - especially since I'm in fundy, which allows me to churn out the gunships (he he).

Horse Akbar!

This game has turned into the biggest trenchwarfare type situation ever. The tech is stalled at cannons and riflemen. No engineers, and railroad has just been discovered by an AI.

Technology and situation heavily favours the defender with all cities now on hills, mountains or forests (terraformed for greater defence)

The only way to defeat a warmonger, including a human is to frustrate them. War is only good in civ when it is fought well, and when wars are fought in frenzy in this game, it usually results in not only ignorance to other matters (money, tech etc...) but in huge mistakes, which cost them dearly. Defense is the first key, and as you said you cannot stop the onslaught defensivley because your cities are being destroyed. Put up a line of troops around your cities, when they are destroyed simply whip out your "Attackers" from the cities destroying the approaching men, if their guys are too strong and burst through your "border patrol" simply have a few attackers handy in the cities to cripple his attacks.

All 3 fought to the last and were completely wiped out. We thirst for revenge and have plenty of cash and troops

quote: Originally posted by Blaupanzer on 10-23-2000 11:43 AM NOW, what is everyon's advice to Makeo, the somewhat thwarted attacker? He should have a science advantage. How does he defend a spread out empire against an opponent with a rough unit parity, e.g., Makeo has more units, but he also has more cities to garrison. How does he maintain his momentum? [This message has been edited by Blaupanzer (edited October 23, 2000).]

From the what it sounds like, Makeo isn't expanding his empire, he's only shrinking Horse's. Guessing, I'd say that he has a 3-1 city advantage compared to the being even when this thread started. Also, AH probably just took a hit in income/science when the AI discovered railroad (if the HG city and its neighbors were celebrating) As long as Makeo continues to press the advantage, he'll probably catch any retaliation forces long before they reach his soil. Also, his war acadamy is still a long way from expiring, especially with tech stalled. Something to consider if the attacking forces get too big and the distance between the 2 continues to grow, would be building an outpost and placing spare troops in forts surrounding that outpost (assuming he hasn't done so already)

As for AH, I would think he really needs to get a retaliatory force where he can destroy sieging forces by taking the support city. No mention of Shakespeare's Theater directly, other than saying Makeo has the happiness wonders minus HG (which is expired) - if Makeo has it, AH's slow attrition of cities likely will continue.

Interesting last session. We had a fortified front, where horse had about 5 riflemen in a fort on trees which i captured with cannons. Next turn he built another fort on the next square down the road. I knew he would be planting trees so i had to take that fort immediately even though my military units were still resting from grabbing the previous fort. Horse did this a couple of times in a row, which was good play, but too late.

The lack of a decent attacking unit and the lack of engineers really adds something to the game. No insta-railroads. No jumping off a boat and creating an insta-fort. You really have to strategize.

After capturing some forts i avoided the city right on the front and attacked his city on hills, which was defended by 1 vet riflemen, two normal riflemen, some dragoons and a diplo. I captured this city, forting my attacking units and brought forward a settler and built an outpost city so that my units wouldn't unhappyatize me.

On Horse's next turn he tried to pillage the roads from my new city to his cities. Unfortunately for him i had a large number of settlers that could re-establish the railroads and i killed two more of his cities.

The session before that, he re-captured a city from me that was on his continent. It was bound to fall due to no reinforcements being able to get to it. This was due to both his superiority on the seas as well as him capturing my main canal to the ocean off his coast.

Railroad has changed the game significantly. Troop movement is so much easier. I'm not sure if this is a good thing, with respect to strategies. i.e. it makes it easier.

quote: Originally posted by Makeo on 10-23-2000 07:01 PM The casualties of this game stand at about 140 for horse and about 180 for me.

Heartless pair of bastards.

Interestingly I am half way to researching skii troops/cavalry so they will probably come into play before the game ends. makeo is researching magnetism but he's not putting any effort into it - he's been it researching for about 800 years

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